Jo Walton ([info]papersky) wrote,
@ 2004-09-09 12:17:00
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Worldcon: Friends
First and most important, I got to see a lot of friends. Some of them I hadn't seen for years, some of them I see all the time, some of them I'd never met in person before. I didn't get to hang out with anyone enough, but I did a lot of very intense socialising that will keep me going through months of my usual hermit-like existence. It was terrific.

I saw far to many people to mention all of them by name. One of the odd things was meeting people who then didn't tell me for hours that I already knew them. [info]kayselkiemoon this means you! I'd thought the LJ "anonymity" thing was just fine, but this was an angle on it I hadn't experienced before. Tell me your user name too! And for goodness sake come and say hello -- I'm talking to you [info]fairmer! Say hello and let me decide if I want to talk to you. John Campbell used to say he was the only one allowed to reject stories for his magazine.

One of the very good things and good ways of meeting people was helping out on [info]elisem's table. That was lots of fun, and I did it a lot when I wasn't on program.


I normally wake up around six, no matter when I went to bed. In normal life, this is a good thing. In a con, this can be a major disability. I try to pace myself, and I try to be in bed by midnight. (I even mostly succeeded.) Every morning of the convention I ran into Farah Mendelsohn or Robert Silverberg or both, in the Starbucks in the Sheraton lobby, in the hours before eight o'clock. I'd met Robert Silverberg before, when we were on a panel together at MilPhil (and seen him blush and stammer when Phil Klass/William Tenn complimented Dying Inside,) but this was the first time I'd ever hung out with him. We had very interesting conversations about writing, about the differences between North America and Europe, and about aging into becoming a time traveller. I know I missed a lot of good things late at parties by turning into a pumpkin at midnight, but I'd not have missed that for anything.

I had breakfast every day with Marci Malinovich and assorted other people. I know Marci because Tom Whitmore and I both love Peter Dickinson, but I'm friends with her because we're both morning people. We arranged to meet at eight every day for breakfast, and we did. Friday we ate with Farah and Mary Anne Moharaj of Strange Horizons, Saturday we ate with [info]beamjockey and Kelley and half a dozen of his fascinating scientist friends, Sunday we ate alone, Monday we ate with Tom Whitmore, and Tuesday we ate with [info]nancylebov and a pile of interesting people who are Marci's friends and who weren't, at that point, wearing name badges.

I had lunch one day at Legal Seafood with [info]pnh and [info]tnh, and another day at Movenpicks with my agent. Other days I let breakfast take me through to dinner, with the occasional bite in the Green Room or consuite -- that's what I usually do.

I had dinner on Thursday with [info]rivka and with [info]davidlevine and Kate Yule. We went to a fish place that wasn't Legal Seafoods, and talked about writing, and congoing and Rivka's impending baby. Friday evening I was still stuffed from lunch, so just had a cup of miso soup in the room, and hung out with Rivka and Misha and Elise, who were eating there too. Saturday evening I ate with [info]jonsinger, [info]sdn, [info]elisem, [info]nancylebov, Mike Ford and Jim Young at an Asian fusion restaurant called Typhoon. It was pretty good, but not a patch on the one at Philadelphia, but the conversation was wide ranging and terrific. Sunday night I ate at the other Legal Seafoods with [info]marykaykare and Jordin, [info]kate_nepveu and Chad, and [info]malkingrey and Jim Macdonald. Conversation was largely about blowing things up and poisoning people, great lab accidents of our time. Monday night I ate at Trident bookstore and cafe with Mary Kay, Jordin, Elise and Mike, which was low key, pleasant and cheap.

I went to parties every night -- first Mary Kay's excellent LJ party, at which I saw many people, some of them reading this, then the Tor party, at which I saw even more people and had a terrific conversation with Madeleine Robins about writing about significant things, then on Saturday afternoon we had a tea-party in our room at which were present [info]rivka and Misha, [info]ailsaek, [info]rushthatspeaks and her fiancee Ruth, [info]ckd who brought us styrofoam cups above and beyond the call of duty, [info]aethereal_girl and [info]dhole and their friend Marsha, two other cool people whose usernames I don't know but who are on LJ (and if you're reading this, please say hello) and (briefly) [info]jonsinger.

Saturday evening I went to Eileen Gunn's party in SFWA suite, and had a very interesting conversation with Greer and some guy about fortifications in the Eastern Empire post-Adrianople. I still don't like SFWA -- there's just something about it that reminds me of cliques in boarding school that people desperately want to join though when they do get in there's a frenetic hollowness. I left to go to bed at midnight but kept talking to [info]sdn until nearly one, which was great fun.

Sunday night we had another tea party in the room, with [info]tnh and [info]pnh and Jon Singer and [info]teddywolf and Nancy and a pile of people. Afterwards I went off to find the Montreal in 2008 party, where I not only pre-supported but volunteered to write the Restaurant Guide should they win the bid. I got to meet Yves Meynard, whose work I've loved for ages, and also a guy called Rene who turns out to live next door to me. Yes, really, literally, he lives in the next building.

Monday night I hung out at the dead dog party, largely with [info]xiphias and [info]cheshyre, who I hadn't seen enough of during the con, though they'd been absolute lifesavers with helping pack up [info]elisem's stuff earlier in the afternoon. Then I started talking to [info]nancylebov and had my one real failure on midnight -- I didn't get to bed until almost three.

In addition to this I saw people in the corridors -- sometimes every few yards -- after panels, at Elise's table, wandering around, and there were still people who were there and who I like and I didn't see at all. Worldcons are big. Biiiig.


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[info]brisingamen
2004-09-09 10:05 am UTC (link)
there's just something about it that reminds me of cliques in boarding school that people desperately want to join though when they do get in there's a frenetic hollowness.

I'm savouring this comment, not with regard to SFWA, which is not any of my business anyway, but because it explains the way I feel about a number of other 'must be in' but actually rather dull things I belong to. I think if I feel like that about them it's maybe time to depart.

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[info]ailsaek
2004-09-09 10:12 am UTC (link)
That tea party was one of the high points of my con.

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[info]papersky
2004-09-09 10:35 am UTC (link)
It was lovely to see you and spend a little time with you. And it was a very interesting conversation!

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[info]ailsaek
2004-09-09 11:10 am UTC (link)
*grin* I love dissecting cultures and cultural rules and all. It reminds me of being an undergrad and sitting around on the UMaine quad with the other Anthro upperclassmen tearing ideas apart.

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[info]minnehaha
2004-09-09 10:30 am UTC (link)
"Say hello and let me decide if I want to talk to you."

Wow, what a completely terrifying thing to read.

K.

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[info]papersky
2004-09-09 10:34 am UTC (link)
I meant don't decide in advance that I don't!

If I meet people I don't want to talk to, I have no hesitation about not talking to them. That happened with one person at the con, and don't worry, he knows who he is!

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[info]minnehaha
2004-09-09 11:21 am UTC (link)
I understand what you meant, really I do.

I was just terrified as a sometimes shy person, feeling very much like "let me decide if I want to talk to you" isn't anything different than "I'm not going to waste a single second on the likes of you, of course." Which isn't what you said, and I know it isn't what you meant.

Of course, once someone talks to you, whether they're your oldest chum or your newest net.friend, you then decide if you want to carry on the conversation. And of course you might being heading out of the room anyway, or etc.

I'm just wearing my insecurities on my sleeve at the moment, I realize.

K.

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[info]beamjockey
2004-09-14 05:30 am UTC (link)
[info]minnehaha K, you wrote:

I was just terrified as a sometimes shy person, feeling very much like "let me decide if I want to talk to you" isn't anything different than "I'm not going to waste a single second on the likes of you, of course." Which isn't what you said, and I know it isn't what you meant.

I sometimes wonder whether others realize that very-very-socially-connected people such as yourself (who goaded me into starting a Livejournal?), or indeed myself, possess deep reservoirs of shyness, but persevere to overcome them.

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[info]trinker
2004-09-09 12:45 pm UTC (link)
(I join the chorus of people who are reading this and relieved that you've identified that there was a specific person who knows already, and thus those of us reading this needn't fret on that specific count.)

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[info]ckd
2004-09-09 11:36 am UTC (link)
I believe that the Ruth with [info]rushthatspeaks is [info]gaudior. [info]tammylc was also there.

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[info]matociquala
2004-09-09 11:38 am UTC (link)
I had an absolutely wonderful time working Elise's table with you. *g* And I think you may have enchanted Kat.

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[info]fairmer
2004-09-09 12:23 pm UTC (link)
Apologies! Apologies. I blush with my presumption for not introducing myself to you. ;)

On the other hand, between TNH's etiquette advice for newbie con-goers, and the genuine feeling that people on panels were in the transmitting mode of communication and I was more in the receiving mode (which is a pretty usual mode for authors and their readers, after all), it did seem more presumptuous to interrupt your flow. If I had caught you standing or sitting alone at any point, I might very well have said something, but you definitely always had folk around when I saw you.

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[info]loupnoir
2004-09-09 01:18 pm UTC (link)
Say hello and let me decide if I want to talk to you.

Thought about it at the LJ party, but opted not to. You, TNH and another lady were way over there on the couch with a mass of people guarding you folks. Crossing that distance would have required either athletic prowess or simply stepping on fen. Perhaps some other time.

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[info]redbird
2004-09-09 05:58 pm UTC (link)
I got to meet ... a guy called Rene who turns out to live next door to me. Yes, really, literally, he lives in the next building.

I'm not entirely sure why this delights me.

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[info]kate_nepveu
2004-09-09 08:10 pm UTC (link)
I think Montreal is 2009, and if you have any more information about the bid, I'd love to know it--I didn't hear about it until late, I think, and I'd really like to presupport because I think it's a great idea.

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