Jacob Appelbaum ([info]ioerror) wrote,
@ 2005-04-13 19:18:00
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IED in Iraq
I have been corresponding with someone who's a massively talented hardware hacker and he has this to say about IEDs in Iraq:


I was connected via a soldier on Iraq who sent me a picture of
the radios they are using to set off the IEDs. Some of them
are using FRS radios (Family Radios). The picture I saw was
a Motorola TalkAbout 5000 (or something like that).

What I did was make a FRS radio connected to a 7 watt external
amplifier, and with a BASIC stamp controlling the main function
buttons of the radio. It will hop through all 838 possible codes
(22 channels, 38 privacy codes) and transmit for 1 second on each
channel. Hopefully setting off the bombs before they drive through.


To which I wrote and reply this is what was said:


> Alright. It seems like a slow process but a surefire one if they're
> using the right kind of radios.
>
> This seems to be the kind of thing a HERF device would actually be
> useful for. Assuming you've got the right people over there, I imagine
> they can get that radar system :-)


Yes, that is another problem... they use whatever is available.
But cellular phones and FRS radios seem to be the most popular.

A HERF/EMP device would actually probably be a pretty good idea,
but controlling the beam pattern might be a problem.

BTW, here is pic of an IED using a cellular phone. A good GSM900
jammer might not be that bad of an idea to bring along:




If anyone has any information on IEDs in Iraq, I would love to hear about it.

I really wish I had brought a GSM jammer with me. Or an EMP. Or a HERF device of any sort. Or a bullet proof vest.


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[info]octal
2005-04-13 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Most military convoys have GSM jammers now.

Also SOP when you find an IED is to not key up radios near it, for obvious reasons.

I think you shouldn't venture too far if you have no armor or weapons or ID. Have fun up north.

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[info]ioerror
2005-04-13 05:02 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the tips Octal.

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[info]ladyada
2005-04-13 11:11 pm UTC (link)
shit, why stop at GSM? im sure they use 4MHz, 900MHz, etc. radios. that circuit board was designed by someone who knew what they were doing (or lucky, i suppose...most people wouldnt think of throwing an optocoupler in there) I wouldnt trust anything less than a VCR tuner -> 5W radiated. Even then, I'd want a full spectrum freq analyzer to watch for suspicious bursts.

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RCIED's - (Anonymous), 2007-06-01 12:26 am UTC
Re: RCIED's - (Anonymous), 2007-06-01 12:44 am UTC
gsm - [info]petersongman, 2008-03-01 09:13 am UTC
"1 Missed Call"
[info]mattbot
2005-04-13 05:12 pm UTC (link)
I wonder if they left a message?

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Re: "1 Missed Call" - [info]ioerror, 2005-04-13 05:21 pm UTC
Re: "1 Missed Call" - [info]danarama, 2005-04-13 05:22 pm UTC
Re: "1 Missed Call" - [info]ioerror, 2005-04-13 05:25 pm UTC

[info]meemeedarling
2005-04-13 05:31 pm UTC (link)
This is such an exciting journey.

But what I am curious about, is what brought you to Iraq?

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(no subject) - [info]ioerror, 2005-04-13 05:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]meemeedarling, 2005-04-13 07:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ioerror, 2005-04-14 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]zombified, 2005-04-13 07:44 pm UTC

[info]transgress
2005-04-13 10:59 pm UTC (link)
funny enough, there doesnt seem to be a single part soldered on, it all looks hot-glued and taped together, suppose thats probably one of the reasons they are called improvised. I really wish the picture was better but I guess there probably isn't much else left of the thing.

feel free to pass along any information you find out, this interests me.

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[info]crotchgoblin
2005-04-14 02:53 am UTC (link)
courtesy of a friend who's logged some time in the area, and prefers not to be named:

> Most military convoys have GSM jammers now

Bullshit. s/Most/Almost no/

There are some public press releases and articles related to something called Warlock Red and Warlock Green. I'd look at those articles. Can't tell you more, sorry, except that I'm on my second combat tour and have only ever seen one of those in training.

> I think you shouldn't venture too far if you have no armor or weapons or ID.

I agree.

Soldiers are no longer authorized to drive off compounds in Afghanistan or Iraq in unarmored vehicles. (Does it happen?) Whether that armor is itself also improvised where you're going is a question I don't know the answer to. When I left Iraq in early 2004 the incoming units were taking the steel plates we'd jerry-rigged to the sides of our vehicles to use as their own. My unit has since acquired real armor that will protect us in many conditions. Should you be held to a standard that the U.S. has deemed too unsafe for their soldiers? Fuck no. If you're in a military convoy, insist in riding in an armored vehicle. If you get a choice, choose an "Up-armor". This is a humvee that was designed with armor, as opposed to most of the humvees that have armor slapped on as an afterthought. An easy way to tell is that the windows on Up-Armors slide down. On the new armor they're fielding to previously un-armored humvees, the windows slide back about 6".

As a civilian, I would also refuse to ride in the first or last vehicle in the convoy, which are the two vehicles most likely to become a statistic (the latter before the former).

Weapons: Larger than a sidearm? I haven't seen one civilian or DoD employee (except PSD) carry weapons at all, much less anything larger than a pistol. Also, unless you have personal body armor issued by the government that looks exactly like what everyone else is wearing, if you brandish a weapon during some sort of violent dispute (IED or direct attack) and can't be immediately identified as a U.S. Civilian or DoD employee or whatever by a soldier who has never seen you before, you're quite likely to be shot. Several times. In the face.

If you somehow end up with a sidearm, I'd recommend only drawing long enough to shoot it in the course of saving your life or the life of another.

Disclaimer: I also spent most of my time in safe houses and not around a lot of civilian/DoD employees, so maybe it's more common than I've seen. Iraqis carrying AKs are common, they're usually security guards for buildings and complexes. Also, every household is authorized one pistol and one AK, unless things have changed.

> Have fun up north.

Indeed. It'll be an experience. :)

Happy travels!

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No Non-Tac outside of compounds? - [info]darkhaq, 2005-04-22 04:17 pm UTC
Re: No Non-Tac outside of compounds? - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 02:00 pm UTC
Re: No Non-Tac outside of compounds? - [info]grodron, 2006-12-26 11:04 am UTC
IRAQ IED's - [info]beekman, 2005-05-10 06:36 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - (Anonymous), 2005-05-30 10:26 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - [info]crtld, 2005-06-13 05:34 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - [info]beekman, 2005-06-13 05:47 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - (Anonymous), 2005-10-31 09:02 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - (Anonymous), 2007-03-19 09:50 pm UTC
Re: IRAQ IED's - (Anonymous), 2007-08-04 07:15 am UTC

[info]slownewsday
2005-04-14 05:47 am UTC (link)
*sigh*... really, a Chevy caprice and some moxie are all you need. After all the dire warnings, I'm starting to fear you'll find it boring here. It really is quite beautiful, and the weather is perfect now. But soon I won't have to drop encouraging comments in your LJ, because you'll have seen it for yourself. And although last end of summer/fall was pretty bad, that was the worst of it. This has been my home for nigh-on two years now, and the armor only keeps you from seeing the beauty of the place. So does living behind a wall. Not that soldiers don't have good reason for their precautions - they are the ones fighting the war after all - but as a civilian you will be able to see and appreciate a lot more of the culture.

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[info]pierceheart
2005-04-21 07:47 pm UTC (link)
A HERF/EMP device would actually probably be a pretty good idea,
but controlling the beam pattern might be a problem.


Don't you think this stuff might already be in use, but is probably classified, and that is why you don't know about it?

Although, I bet you if you search globalsecurity.org for warlock and compass call, you might some interesting stuff.

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there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2005-04-23 06:51 am UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - [info]pierceheart, 2005-04-23 01:04 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - [info]ioerror, 2005-04-23 05:25 pm UTC
SOLDIER ON THE LINE IN SUNNI TRIANGLE - (Anonymous), 2005-07-26 08:01 pm UTC
Re: SOLDIER ON THE LINE IN SUNNI TRIANGLE - [info]ioerror, 2005-07-26 08:10 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - [info]beekman, 2005-05-10 06:41 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2005-05-20 01:49 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - [info]beekman, 2005-05-20 02:44 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2005-11-24 06:33 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2006-12-10 04:52 am UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2006-12-22 11:50 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2006-02-03 01:42 pm UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2006-02-15 01:25 am UTC
Re: there is a lot worse - (Anonymous), 2006-12-10 04:55 am UTC
What, are you kidding?...Jackass - (Anonymous), 2006-10-24 04:54 am UTC
IEDD
(Anonymous)
2006-06-05 08:47 pm UTC (link)
Have to second a comment made in that. If we went about telling all about our counter ied techniques and ecm details. the already game of cat and mouse catch up would be made that much harder.

dont mean to piss on your fire so to speak but dont think your gonna get much direct info on ieds etc apart from whats in the public domain.

and i do know what im on about as i build them for bomb disposal training

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Re: IEDD - (Anonymous), 2006-06-21 11:41 pm UTC
Re: IEDD - (Anonymous), 2006-12-10 04:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]candysonij, 2008-07-16 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amandapaweh, 2008-07-16 02:16 pm UTC
hi
(Anonymous)
2006-07-02 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Shaped Charges: A cylindrical container is packed with explosive, and capped by a conical piece of metal that becomes a molten projectile when the device is detonated. The shaped charge concentrates blast energy to punch through armor plating and propel the molten metal into the target vehicle's cabin

These are unstoppable and will go through anything and everything. They are best set off with trip wires and other hidden triggers, so all the talk about jamming is not that helpful nowadays.

Not to scare anyone, but this is what IEDs do to armor

http://blog.shady.nu/category/iraq

its safe for work

also see:

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/ied.htm

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IED Jammer or IED Initiator
(Anonymous)
2006-07-20 03:30 am UTC (link)
In order to initiate a radio controlled ied, i thought that the transmission from the walkie talkie carries several radio signals, thereby acting as a safety feature to prevent regular radio communications from setting off the ied.

Does anyone know if this is true?

I heard that the better way to handle ieds is to jam them with an ied jammer or rcied jammer.

Can anyone confirm that?

Ronaldo

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Re: IED Jammer or IED Initiator - (Anonymous), 2006-09-25 03:41 pm UTC
Re: IED Jammer or IED Initiator - (Anonymous), 2006-10-17 07:39 pm UTC
Picture
(Anonymous)
2006-11-05 07:11 am UTC (link)
I would like to make this clear. That is not a cell phone. Yes it looks like one but it isnt. The story posted is not completely accurate. I would like to reafirm what my army friend said about talking about this kind of stuff. We appreciate your intrest in our well being but in order to keep those of us who disarm these things safe, it is better not to talk about it, especially in public forum. I have lost good friends, I dont want to lose anymore. I am now regretting the fact I ever took that picture.

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IED
(Anonymous)
2006-11-11 02:24 am UTC (link)
these ied's are so easy to make. i myself could make a timed ied at CVS its real easy just a watch with hands, a couple of copper wires and a battery along with a exsplosive charge of course. i dont know about remote control ied's but if you do please send it to me at generalfieldmarshal@Hotmail.com but i do know they use those jammers

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Re: IED - (Anonymous), 2006-12-22 11:44 pm UTC
Re: IED - (Anonymous), 2007-01-07 01:11 am UTC
Re: IED - (Anonymous), 2007-01-30 01:53 am UTC

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Seems that the Cellular system would be shut down being that we are at war, cell phones are not walkee talkee's. We could protect all the troops by jaming all RF signals if we wanted to.

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