Ping ([info]zestyping) wrote,
@ 2005-07-27 03:22:00
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This is how i distract myself from other things.
Some of my recent contemplations reminded me that i've always thought it would be interesting to try this little hack, so i put it together tonight. Have fun. (Try the "Test" link to use some sample material.)

What do you think? Found any good pages to use this on?

(Update: This and this turn out to be rather disorienting.)

(Update: Hmm. I'm going to BlogHer this weekend. I wonder if anyone there will find it interesting.)

(Update: This has moved. Please see the more recent entry.)

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[info]akuchling
2005-07-27 04:28 pm UTC (link)
The result of swapping Bitch, Ph.D is interesting. The recent entries also provide some ideas for other terms to swap: father/mother, dada/mama, guy/gal.

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[info]wanton_adonis
2005-07-27 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Test:
And then the LORD God said: It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.

And then the LORD God said: It is not good that the woman should be alone; I will make her a helper suitable for her.

opps, didn't want to resist the cliche

-cute!

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[info]chimerically
2005-08-01 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Now it will say "LADY Goddess." :~) (I was perusing the "Queen Jamie" Bible (which someone posted on [info]zestyping's other blog entry on this) with this tool yesterday, and it's great!)

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[info]metamouse
2005-07-27 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Confusing and fun.

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try this
(Anonymous)
2005-07-27 06:44 pm UTC (link)
dear ping,

give Gerd Brantenberg's Egalia's Daughters a try -- it's an entire novel giving the same brain-spinning treatment to feminism, literature, & politics

laura

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Re: try this
[info]zestyping
2005-07-27 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I have it, actually. I think i got it from Michele.

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[info]darius
2005-07-27 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Nice hack. It looks like it misses "herself".

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[info]zestyping
2005-07-27 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Oh, thanks. Added that.

Also, the Unicode handling is still broken (i.e. there is none) but i'm too lazy to fix it.

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[info]chimerically
2005-07-27 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Along these lines, have you read Ursula K. Le Guin's book The Left Hand of Darkness?

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[info]kragen
2005-07-27 11:45 pm UTC (link)
This is beautiful. I wonder about "A Person Paper on Purity in Language" here.

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[info]zestyping
2005-07-28 01:49 am UTC (link)
An excellent thought. I have added two buttons.

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[info]kragen
2005-07-28 03:24 am UTC (link)
Looks like "husbands", "feminists", and "wives" are missing --- perhaps "employers", "civil-rightists", and "employees"? Also it seemed to miss "WOMENS", which I think meant "WOMEN'S", and "male" (and "female").

Of course it only goes so far.

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[info]kragen
2005-07-28 03:24 am UTC (link)
Oh, and obviously "bitch" should be "nigger". I don't know what the male equivalent of "bitch" is.

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[info]vvvexation
2005-07-28 05:49 am UTC (link)
Prick?

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[info]heresiarch
2005-08-02 02:46 am UTC (link)
isn't the point that there really is none? bastard used to work (like "salaud" and "salope" in french...).

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[info]chimerically
2005-07-28 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Also "guy" <-> "girl"

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-28 01:19 am UTC (link)
hey ping - we tried a page of some hate mail that laura has gotten over the years -- http://zesty.ca/gender/swap/http://www.feministsf.org/femsf/feedback/justdont.html -- and got some interesting results. for one, you should add in bitch - what could you substitute? bastard?

your page choked on a nyt article -- even the print version. http://nytimes.com/2005/07/26/science/26eagl.html?pagewanted=print

laura & michele

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try this one
[info]motherersatz
2005-08-02 01:48 am UTC (link)
http://regender.com/swap/http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/01/international/middleeast/01cnd-saudi.html?hp&ex=1122955200&en=f654ecf5b9bf89cf&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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[info]alfvaen
2005-08-02 05:16 am UTC (link)
Why does it keep changing "Moon" to "Michael"? Is it just when it's capitalized? I've noticed a lot of other proper nouns that get turned into names--I'm looking at my albums page, where I capitalize almost everything. I suppose this works best for prose? (Also, it didn't do anything for "Ziggy Stardust".)

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[info]alfvaen
2005-08-02 05:18 am UTC (link)
Oh, and it doesn't do anything to "Iron Maiden" either. What's the masculine of "Maiden"?

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[info]zestyping
2005-08-02 05:22 am UTC (link)
I have no idea. If you can think of a good replacement, please let me know.

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Iron Maiden
(Anonymous)
2005-08-06 09:16 pm UTC (link)
Lad, I guess.

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[info]zestyping
2005-08-02 05:22 am UTC (link)
I used a list of names from the 1990 census, and it contains a lot of rare names that i have to keep weeding out. Thanks for the tip — i'll tell it that "Moon" is a word and not a name.

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a few more words to add
(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 07:13 pm UTC (link)
I found a couple of words that should get changed but do not:
gal
prima donna (what is the equivalent for a male opera singer?)
Duke

And I was totally impressed that "babe" was switched out for "hunk" . I tried the swapper out on a blog entry I did on a gender-bending opera that I saw recently - some of the male parts were played by females, etc. It was an interesting read for sure. (http://regender.com/swap/http://nmcfarl.org/archives/rachel/2005/07/18/Lucio-Silla.html in case you want to read it, it is rather weird for sure, i'm not trying to up my hits or anything i swear.)
rachel

I found this at http://12.129.203.36/wftw/021204.htm
>Then there's prima donna. A borrowing of the Italian term for "first lady," prima donna originally named "the leading or a principal female singer in an opera or concert >organization." This sense has no male partner in English, where a "principal male singer" is known as precisely that: a principal male singer.

>It took a number of decades (and, we'd dare say, a number of temperamental artists) before prima donna ventured from its distaff side and came to be applied to any person—>male or female—who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team.

When I read the translation, I still thought of a woman as the prima donna, not a guy. I guess I need more imagination...

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Schoolboy/schoolgirl
(Anonymous)
2005-08-06 09:39 pm UTC (link)
No switch for schoolboy to schoolgirl and back

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Re: Schoolboy/schoolgirl
[info]zestyping
2005-08-07 09:48 am UTC (link)
Added, thanks.

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