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So we riffle through the car insurance and I'm not listed as a driver. Whoops. Which means we have to get that done before I can schedule my drive test. :-p Oh well, it looks like a good day for practicing parallel parking, since I'm not seeing the 70 mph winds (plus tumbleweed) attested earlier this week (including a street blocked off because it was literally filled with tumbleweed).


Norwescon: They moved the round-robin back an hour! I can still be on the panel on Pitfalls of Language Creation with McKillip and Gregory Gadow! W00t!...hiding under the bed now. Wait, we don't have a bed. Whoops.

Also? Saltines with cream cheese and honey? Mmm.

It would be depressing to think about how I wrote 2,000 words of essay last night but couldn't manage the same for fiction if I weren't so pleased with having done the essay. To be fair, there's a decent amount of quoted text (which probably needs to be trimmed yet further).

In theory, you're supposed to outline stuff before writing. In practice, I hate outlines. I mean, I've done them. One of the useful pieces of advice I got during 20th Century History IBS was that if you're running out of time, you should at least sketch out an outline of your essay-response and its major points so they can see where you were going. (The joys of partial credit?)

I like writing essays, overall; there have been times when I had assignments that suck, but the process of taking thoughts and textual evidence and putting them into a framework that makes sense...it's deeply soothing. (Maybe "soothing" isn't quite the correct word.) Unless I'm really wrestling with an idea, I usually start with my thesis and a general idea of my arguments--an outline in my head, you might say--and write the thing on the fly, shuffling paragraphs and adding/dropping transitions as necessary. Often, though not always, the thesis will shift somewhat during the course of writing, as I re-engage with the source material, and that's fine. The final product needs to hang together; the reader doesn't care what the mutable rough/partial drafts looked like. (Ditto math. I cling to the belief that the concept of "rough draft" is extremely useful for unconfident math students. Probably some confident ones, too.) Chunking is useful for longer papers/essays with multiple sources.

The Perilous Gard essay came together in a matter of days in terms of the actual writing. I don't know if it's really fair to say that, though. First, I had a pretty clear idea of the themes I was going to explore; second, the book itself has an extremely coherent framework in this regard. (Digging out the nuances was illuminating for myself, if no one else, so it's a win-win situation. Yes, I'll probably try to see if some webzine or other wants it, but if not, no big deal; I've gotten the important thing out of it. Mind you, a little pocket money is always welcome.)

Third, this is a book I've read at least a half-dozen times starting from 3rd or 4th grade. I imprinted on it; for a while I was writing weird little rip-offs of this mashed together with Victorian fairytales (e.g. "The Necklace of Princess Fiorimonde") and spork knows what else. There are certainly people who hang around this corner of LJ-land who are more intimately familiar with the book, but that being said, it's one of the (fiction) books with which I'm most intimately familiar. This, and the fact that the book is relatively short :-p, makes it relatively easy to write about. Pieces of the essay just dropped into place. A book with which I was less familiar would have required more here-and-now "work" in lieu of, I dunno, those past instances of pleasure-reading, uncovering more details in each reading. (I believe I completely missed the framework of a certain attempted vengeance at the end.)

This is why I also sometimes think about writing an exegesis of symbolism/myth/etc. in Geraldine Harris' SEVEN CITADELS, as I also have that level of familiarity with the quartet. It is, however, out of print, and also it's a series, so it'd be a larger undertaking, so I haven't bothered. (Man oh man, now I want to reread it, except I don't get to reread books until after I have way more backlog cleared out.)
What books are y'all bone-deep familiar with?

Hey, it occurs to me that I can add The Perilous Gard to the books-read/finished this month list. I mean, the reading was very detailed in some parts and skimmish in others, but it averages out, right?


Edwin Emerson, Jr.'s A History of the Nineteenth Century, vol. 1. Hallelujah! I'm done! This volume covers 1800 (with a few notes on prior developments) to 1815. (Battle of Waterloo too hard to resist as a stopping-year, I suppose.) This is a vexatious book, copyright 1902, with the expected attendant, shall we say, viewpoints. For example, a passage from p.504 that makes me frankly queasy:
Thus ended the troublesome war with the Creeks. Its cost to the United States had been nearly 20,000 men and $5,000,m000 in money. Thereafter the British ceased to be formidable in the Northwest. Tecumseh's confederation of Indian tribes was broken up.

Gee, troublesome. *nausea*

There are also occasional weirdly humorous anecdotes, as with this from p.592:
For English children the dread name of "Bony" was still a nursery bogie. Thackeray has reported how, when as a boy he was returning home from India, and his ship stopped at St. Helena, the black steward showed him a short, stout man walking in a garden: "That is he," said the negro servant in an awed whisper; "that is Bony. He eats three live sheep every day and all the little children he can lay hold of."

(My favourite remains the lemonade-seller, from the Peninsular War.)

This is a highly Western-centric account, and the rapid changes in scene from Europe to the US, etc. are sometimes almost whiplash-inducing. Very occasionally the Caribbean or the Ottomans might be mentioned, but for the most part, the rest of the world might as well not exist.

Emerson's account is very much an account of Great Men and Great Battles, with interludes into High Society (the arts, literature) and the occasional economic footnote. Leaders and generals are made much of; sociological notes are scant. Battles are recounted with a stultifying attentiveness to figures (362 guns captured here, 120 men killed there, etc.). Periodically Emerson spices things up with quoted passages of poetry, some of which are pretty dreadful (and some of which are even meant to be). Despite the occasional (sometimes unintentional) saving grace of humor, this is a history of the type that turns people off the field forever.

Why did I sit through all 600 pages of this? Because I'm a masochist completist. Also because there is material of historical interest. I would not recommend this generally; it's illuminating in certain regards (I find myself possessed of a morbid desire to acquire vol. 3--which can be had fairly inexpensively from various booksellers on ABEbooks last I checked--to see what Emerson thought the "new" century would bring. It probably wasn't the Great War....) but frankly, you have to be pretty hard-core to read this. I'm so glad this book is out of my life...



[info]minnow1212 on Wen Spencer's Tinker. [info]jdr23 recommended this to me as light reading, I think, although with my backlog...*cringe*
Tinker is resourceful and practical, and her intellect is well-portrayed--you can see her delight in finding new things to play with when she comes across a problem. She's an attractive heroine. (One of the blurbs on the book said that Buffy fans should like this book, and I can see some similarities in that both characters are determined and use what weapons come to hand. It reminded me personally less of Buffy and more of the heroine of Rachel Caine's Weather Warden series, who, though older and more experienced, had some of the same mixture of grit, curiosity, responsibility, and unapologetic sexual interest.)

That said, I did find the book flawed in some ways: the noble whom Tinker saves, Windwolf, stays a cipher for me. I never got a handle on his personality. Also, he does something at one point that made me really quite dislike him, and I never got over that. Also, I felt that the first half of the book was more absorbing than the second half. Certain of the characters from the first half whom I liked a lot virtually disappeared from the second half of the book. (There were also some other, more minor, quibbles related to the characters of Nathan and Sparrow, but explaining them would probably spoil things, so I won't.) On balance, though, if there is a sequel (the book stands alone but has enough room that I wouldn't be surprised if we get a sequel at somepoint), I'll read it.


[info]slithytove shares a wonderful word of the day. Remember, I think "defenestration" is one of the best words ever.

Aieee! I have to decide what to send in for the WisCon Writers' Workshop. Novel chapter or short story? Novel chapter or short story? *thud*

Lost and found: tsunami reveals a town's ancient ruins [CNN]:
MAHABALIPURAM, India (AP) -- For a few minutes, after the water had receded far from the shore and before it came raging back as a tsunami, the fishermen stood along the beach and stared at the reality of generations of legends.

Or so they say. Spread across nearly a mile, the site was encrusted with barnacles and covered in mud. But the fishermen insist they saw the remains of ancient temples and hundreds of refrigerator-sized blocks, all briefly exposed before the sea swallowed them up again.


Mammals feed off yeast pathway
Conserved amino acid-sensing mechanism affects eating behavior in rats [The Scientist :: Daily News]
In yeast, a deficiency of a particular amino acid causes an accumulation of that amino acid's corresponding transfer RNA. This free tRNA—called "uncharged" because it is not attached to an amino acid—activates the kinase GC nonderepressing 2 (GCN2), which then phosphorylates eukaryotic initiation factor 2 alpha (eIF-2alpha). This signal decreases the yeast's global protein synthesis and increases transcription of genes that synthesize deficient amino acids.

Gietzen, postdoc Shuzhen Hao, and their colleagues wanted to see if uncharged tRNA was responsible for the rat behavior that seems like a sort of behavioral homolog of this pathway. Rats will normally spend 30-45 minutes eating, if they haven't eaten for a while before that. Beginning at about 20 minutes, researchers have shown that rats eating food deficient in essential amino acids will eat less than those eating normal food, Gietzen explained.


Photo in the News: Lab Creates "Black Hole"
A physicist believes a fireball he created in a Long Island, New York, particle accelerator may have been a black hole. [National Geographic News]
Dude! (Shades of David Brin's Earth? That book was so cool.)
The collisions were powerful enough to break the nuclei into gluons and quarks, the most basic building blocks of matter. The particles created a plasma fireball 300 million times hotter than the surface of the sun. In a paper published on Cornell University's arxiv.org Web site, Nastase wrote that, based on his calculations, the fireball behaved like a black hole, absorbing streams of particles and radiating them as heat.

For now, any fears of the collider creating a civilization-destroying supergravity vortex are misplaced. The forces involved in the experiment were simply too weak, and the theoretical black hole was very short-lived. How brief? Divide a second by 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

Yo, this is the kind of thing we invented scientific notation for. Just sayin'.

Hey, here's one for your amusement, [info]gclinton17:
Winning the wine war
Could DNA help the fight to keep bottle labels honest? [news@nature.com]
In the arms race between the adulterators and the regulators, detection systems have become ever more sophisticated, as have the cheaters. But at least one common ruse - claiming that the wine is one variety, when it is actually entirely or partly another - may come to a sudden stop if DNA can be successfully extracted from wine on the shelf.

Norbert Christoph of the Bavarian Health and Food Safety Authority works on one of today's typical wine authentication programmes: he uses stable isotope analysis. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms all occasionally show up in versions with slightly different mass. The amounts of such isotopes vary from region to region, so when they are incorporated into grapes, they tell a tale about where the wine was made.

The snag is that they also vary with local weather conditions, so samples of wine from each region have to be taken each year for comparison and entered in the European Wine Data Bank. For example, says Christoph, "2003 wines were collected before the late rains, so there were values for oxygen that were more like Southern Italy."

Sometimes I wonder if I should've taken Intro to Wines. Probably not, given my lack of tolerance. And the frightening complexity of the subject.

[info]sargentjr has an evil plan:
realized that my plan to rent myself out to single men is limiting my customer base and as any economist will tell you that is silly unless you are a dot com in which case here have a suitcase of cash. anyway i should be renting myself out to single women as well. imagine that there is this creepy guy at work who hits on you and will not take no for an answer, you rent me and we go to work and you swing me around and play with me next to his office or cube or whatever. he will think you have a kid and will run away from you. if he is too persistent and asks something like 'i did not know you have a kid' you can say 'oh no this is not my kid but i love kids and cannot wait to have three or four of them with the man of my dreams, of course he will stay home with them, here do you want to hold him, his name is eli' and you will hand me to him and i will smile and then spit up on him.

if that does not work i will also give him cold germs.

*chokes*



Mystery House Possessed:
"No one knows of any enemies that Doctor Green had?" asks the nothing. But no one has any ideas to suggest. The faint whiff of jealous anger hangs in the air; you can't pinpoint its source easily.

Comments

[info]gwyneira wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 08:45 pm (UTC)
Also? Saltines with cream cheese and honey? Mmm.

Mmm, that does sound good. I always get out the saltines when I have frosting left over from icing a cake - there's something about the salt and the sweet together that's just yummy.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 08:45 pm (UTC)
*ding*! That's what I'll do next time I have leftover lemon-frosting from cakes! Ooooh. Thanks!
[info]leaina wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
I've never tried the leftover frosting with saltines, but in my family we do something similar with graham crackers (frosting in the middle, sandwiched by 2 crackers--we called them "graham cracker cookies" and sometimes we liked them even better than whatever the main use of the icing was).
[info]gwyneira wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 11:59 pm (UTC)
That's what my husband likes to do too. He's always disappointed when there's no frosting left over, and if there's not much, we fight over saltines vs. grahams. :)
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 01:55 am (UTC)
That, too, sounds yummy! I must acquire graham crackers and try it sometime. :-)
[info]rilina wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 08:50 pm (UTC)
Remember, I think "defenestration" is one of the best words ever.

Hee. I just read a book where defenestration was a key plot point.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 08:56 pm (UTC)
*thinks wistfully of the Defenestration of Prague*
[info]rushthatspeaks wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 09:28 pm (UTC)
I'm never going to forget my introduction to the word 'defenestration'. In my first day of high school computer science, my extremely formidable and looming professor spent the first twenty minutes of class summarizing the Defenestration of Prague, with dates and citations. He then told us all to turn around: 'See that window? If any of you do anything permanent and stupid to any of my expensive machines, we're gonna write a whole new set of history books.' We were all quiet like little micies the whole year-- and the dates and citations showed up on the first test.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC)
I wish I'd had that professor. Other than the fact that I'd've been cowering under my desk. :-)
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC)
What books are y'all bone-deep familiar with?

-Pamela Dean's Tam Lin
-most of Freedom & Necessity
-many of Orson Scott Card's books, notably Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Pastwatch, and Enchantment (I once wrote a paper on Ender's Game, some quotes included, without having the book to reference)
[info]isquiesque wrote:
Mar. 19th, 2005 11:01 pm (UTC)
Scientific notation
Yo, this is the kind of thing we invented scientific notation for. Just sayin'.

See, if the general public actually understood scientific notation, that would work. I think their whole point was to allay fears in the ignoramuses of the world.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 02:08 am (UTC)
Re: Scientific notation
*completely perplexed* But scientific notation is Not Hard! Especially for numbers larger than 1!
[info]isquiesque wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 03:27 am (UTC)
Re: Scientific notation
I know that, you know that. Not everyone knows that.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 03:56 am (UTC)
May I ask what you thought of The Perilous Gard? It's my second-favorite Tam Lin retelling on the planet, and that by a slim margin. (Fire and Hemlock will always have my heart.)
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 06:17 am (UTC)
Have you read Tam Lin by Pamela Dean? I mentioned it in my comment above but it deserves a second mention, I think. ;) The three of those are (I think) the only retellings of Tam Lin I've read, but I've loved them all.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
I was given Pamela Dean's Tam Lin when I went off to college, and read it during my first week of classes. It was even more fun on re-reading, junior or senior year, especially since by then I had declared for Classics. (And grad school does rather ask for one's soul.) But although I very much enjoy the way that she embedded the Tam Lin story into the framework of a liberal arts university, particularly the supernatural elements that are for most of the story so low-key as to be readily explainable in real-life terms, I think in the end I like Tam Lin better as a college novel than a retelling of Tam Lin.

When the ballad finally enters explicitly into the story, it does so in very straightforward fashion. With the exception of Medeous' line, "In seven years we shall have two . . . And two dearer" (which I always expected to precipitate at least a short story), Janet's rescue and transformation of Thomas proceeds without twist or variation, even down to the shapes that he takes in her arms. I think part of what I like so much about The Perilous Gard and Fire and Hemlock is their willingness to play with both the characters' and the reader's expectations of how this story will go. Kate doesn't get Christopher out of the teind-paying ceremony through anything other than flatly speaking her mind, which is not what the Lady (who knows the ballad) has been on guard against; the shapes through which Polly has to hang on to Tom Lynn are at the last nothing like the traditional ones. Given the license Pamela Dean takes with other elements of her story, such as the Blackstock ghosts or the students from the otherworld (whom I personally love), I would have liked to see her extend the same experimentation into the last twenty pages or so, when the ballad action kicks into gear.

That said, I think the novel justifies its entire existence with Janet's sonnet. And I am very fond of Christopher Fry's The Lady's Not For Burning.

How do you feel about Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary?
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 10:51 pm (UTC)
How do you feel about Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary?

I haven't read it -- I'd like to, but I haven't run across it while bookstore-hopping and haven't gotten around to making a concentrated effort to find it. I've actually not read any other Dean, though I have the first two books of a YA series of hers on my shelves; lately I haven't been reading as much fiction as I'd like.

I agree that the ballad, when it comes into the story, is very straightforwardly used; I would have liked the ending to have been longer, as it all seemed to rush past once a certain point was reached. I confess I'd never really thought of it as anything other than a Tam Lin retelling, though -- the fact that it uses that story is good enough for me, even if the use isn't perhaps as creative as it might be.

I picked up a copy of The Lady's Not For Burning today at a usedbook store, and am very much looking forward to reading it.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 04:47 am (UTC)
Of her novels, I've only read Tam Lin and Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary; otherwise, I'm familiar with a handful of short stories, and most of those are in Emma Bull and Will Shetterly's Liavek anthologies. ("Paint the Meadows with Delight," in Wizard's Row, is a particular favorite.) I recommend Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary, although it suffers from the same basic problem as Tam Lin—the ballad is integral to the story, and indeed the book makes no sense without it, but this only becomes perceptible in the very last couple of chapters. It does contain some terrific poetry and weirdness, however, and a character who speaks only in quotations. (If there isn't a Pamela Dean Concordance of Quotations and Allusions somewhere, there should be.)

I love The Lady's Not for Burning. I saw a production when I was about twelve and, although I think most of the philosophy missed me at the time, the language left an impression.

We have given you a world as contradictory
As a female, as cabbalistic as the male,
A conscienceless hermaphrodite who plays
Heaven off against hell, hell off against heaven,
Revolving in the ballroom of the skies
Glittering with conflict as with diamonds:
We have wasted paradox and mystery on you
When all you ask for, is cause and effect!


It's a cynical idealistic play, with poetry, and I like that sort of thing . . . Hope you do as well!
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)
I adore it to pieces (I read it before Fire and Hemlock, which a kindly librarian handed to me in 6th or 7th grade). The Perilous Gard was where I first encountered "Tam Lin," and it caused me to imprint on the ballad. (And retellings--Fire and Hemlock, [info]pameladean's Tam Lin, and lately, Alan Garner's deeply weird and tragic Red Shift.)

I'm not rational about The Perilous Gard, but the things I like about it, in no particular order:
- Kate/Christopher! Oh how I love those two.
- The way Pope invokes the numinous (...not that I would have known that word in 4th grade) within a rationalist framework. Her Fairy is mysterious and wonderful and alien all the same--perhaps moreso.
- The way characters' strengths are also their weaknesses: Alicia is pretty and charming, but relies on that and it makes her thoughtless; Kate is stubborn and hardheaded and logical, etc.
- The ambivalent sibling relationships.
- The Lady's farewell makes me cry every time.
- The depth of the beauty/illusion/truth examination.
- The way that I could fall in love with the book after my first time through, seeing very little of all this, and unearthing more each time I reread it.

I shall stop burbling now.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC)
Red Shift is magnificent. I don't think I imprinted on it quite the same way as on Fire and Hemlock or The Perilous Gard, as I didn't come to it until college, but along with The Owl Service and Strandloper it's one of my favorite Alan Garner novels.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 07:01 pm (UTC)
I haven't read Strandloper, but when I was a kid we had some anthology of children's literature--not quite an anthology; it had excerpts from various and sundry, including one of The Owl Service. When we made it back to the US I read that and The Weirdstone of Brisingamen. That was what imprinted me on Blodeuwedd...

I suspect I wouldn't have understood Red Shift any earlier than when I read it, but it's devastating with such spare, taut prose.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 05:39 pm (UTC)
And I'm sorry to keep popping up, but do you feel any particular way about Patricia McKillip's Winter Rose?
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)
I love Winter Rose. Okay, I'm generally a McKillip junkie. Even when the plot is a bit weak (Something Rich and Strange) I drown in her prose. Suckersuckersucker for Tam Lin retellings. I loved the feral imagery, the dangerous stitching-together of Faerie and the real world...okay, so I was half in love with Rois Melior myself.

My favourite McKillips are probably Song for the Basilisk (musical motifs...court music vs. folk music...suckersuckersucker) and Alphabet of Thorn (extremely neat plot, although the last three pages made me go, Eh? and I wished the linguistics had been foregrounded more), but Winter Rose is definitely up there.

Don't be sorry. Happy happy discussion of books!
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 04:38 am (UTC)
See, I love Something Rich and Strange: but I am a sucker for the sea and for descent-and-return stories, so I'm not sure how I wouldn't. To me, plot isn't the main point in that book so much as the characterization of Jonah, Megan, and the otherworld into which they are both drawn. I don't think it would work without her writing style; half the story must take place in the language alone. But as it is, it's good.

At the risk of sounding conventional, my all-time favorite of hers is the Riddle-Master trilogy. I imprinted on Deth, on land-law and riddles, and the richness of detail—everything from sour milk to harp strings to veins of gold in a mountain's heart—she put into that world. After that, I think it's probably Fool's Run, The Sorceress and the Cygnet, and the aforementioned Something Rich and Strange. I loved the metatextual thread of Alphabet of Thorn, both the narrative of Kane and Axis and the story of Nepenthe in the present day, but the rest of the book did not engage me so much. (Same for The Book of Atrix Wolfe, I think, where I loved the evocation of Faerie, the endless autumn wood, and was left rather cold by most of the real-world plot.) I am growing consistently more fond of Ombria in Shadow, however, because it achieves a certain grittiness of the fantastic that her work doesn't often go for. And Song for the Basilisk does have all the opera.
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 10:53 pm (UTC)
Another one to add to the list! I'd never even heard of Red Shift.

The Perilous Gard was also the place where I was first exposed to the ballad, and I confess at first I thought the author had made it up. I think I was about 10, and had discovered the book behind some others on my parent's shelf; to this day, none of us is sure who bought it, since neither of my parents recognized it when I showed it to them after reading the whole thing in a day. I was so excited to discover the text of the other ballad Randall sings to Kate in the Child Ballads, as well.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 04:25 am (UTC)
Red Shift is a very oblique version of Tam Lin, if it is at all—there's very good evidence for the ballad buried somewhere in the text, but not even as obviously as in Fire and Hemlock, and that's saying something. But it's worth reading, for whatever reasons. Are you familiar with Alan Garner's work?
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 05:00 am (UTC)
Not at all familiar -- the name rings a vague bell somewhere, but I'm fairly sure I've never read anything of his. Buried is fine with me; I like that such vastly different stories result from the same text. I'll probably have fun searching for the similarities.

*adds to list of books to get*

(In response to your other comment -- cynical idealism is my favorite kind, so I suspect I'll enjoy it. I'm tone-deaf to poetry, which is to say that I have no sense of what is good and what isn't, but it certainly doesn't detract from my enjoyment.)
[info]emshort wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 11:48 am (UTC)
Oopsie. That shouldn't be possible (obviously)...

I love Perilous Gard also. Fire and Hemlock I may have read too young: it didn't entirely make sense to me, despite multiple attempts.

Have you read Sherwood Ring? It's not quite as great as Perilous Gard, but it has some wonderful scenes, including some of my favorite clever/swashy heroine maneuvers ever.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 04:45 pm (UTC)
Another person on the planet who has read The Sherwood Ring! Definitely not as good as The Perilous Gard, but just as definitely worth reading. Are those her only two novels? For years I didn't even know she had written anything more than The Perilous Gard, before I ran into The Sherwood Ring in a used book store.
[info]marikochan wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 10:54 pm (UTC)
And I also love The Sherwood Ring. Those are indeed her only two novels -- a biography I found recently said she's a history professor (?) and died after writing only two novels.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 07:02 pm (UTC)
I spent years believing The Sherwood Ring was about Robin Hood. I agree it's not quite as strong, but it's so fun. I love the romances! Peaceable Sherwood hahahahahaha! I must reread it soon.

For some reason I always think of Johnny Tremain--oh, I bet it's the whole American Revolutionary War thing.
[info]forodwaith wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 06:04 pm (UTC)
What books are y'all bone-deep familiar with?
Lord of the Rings. Most of Jane Austen & LeGuin. Neuromancer. The Narnia books. War for the Oaks.

a street blocked off because it was literally filled with tumbleweed
Really? Tumbleweed? Wow.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC)
I didn't see it myself, but it was attested by one of the LIGO scientist-engineer people. Scary. :-p
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 20th, 2005 08:53 pm (UTC)
Pope went to my high school. :) I'm endlessly grateful for that, since it meant The Perilous Gard ended up in our library and I got to read it. I think people who read fantasy have their own personal conceptions of what elves are, and mine comes mostly from that (with interjections from Diana Wynne Jones's The Lives of Christopher Chant and Diane Duane's Stealing the Elf-King's Roses and Emma Bull et al's Bordertown).

Other books I know by heart: The Changeover by Margaret Mahy is the big one. Robin McKinley's The Blue Sword. Ellen Kushner's Swordspoint. Pat Wrede's Mairelon the Magician. Thanks for the reminder to think of my favorites.
[info]yhlee wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 12:12 am (UTC)
Mmmmmmm. Wow.

My favourite Diana Wynne Jones--probably at least partly due to early imprinting--is Charmed Life. I found The Lives of Christopher Chant rather late, and was also charmed; it was really cool seeing the origins of various characters in Charmed Life!

I still haven't read Stealing the Elf-King's Roses, woe is I.

I'm so glad Swordspoint is back in print (although I did unearth it in a used bookstore a couple of months before that happened). Mmmm.
[info]sovay wrote:
Mar. 21st, 2005 04:22 am (UTC)
The Lives of Christopher Chant and Howl's Moving Castle were my two early-imprint Diana Wynne Jones books. I would get them out from the library and keep them out, and only return reluctantly. So I experienced the reverse effect with Charmed Life—"They got married and had kids?"

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