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  • Feb. 9th, 2004 at 10:44 PM
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Must learn to use the cut tag more often so's not to overload people browsing this thing, so:


Well, for me anyway. Given that characterization is one of my weaker points, dialogue can be particularly hairy. Not only do you have to carry on the "framing" narrative, and have some purpose for the conversation (especially an extended one, not a brief exchange), you have to have a sort of arc to the content of the conversation itself. Add to that the speech styles, motives, and perceptiveness of each person involved in the conversation, and finding 6x6 matrix determinants by the cofactor method begins to look a lot more fun in comparison. (I could go into a digression on how betrayed I felt when I encountered row-reduction in Math 221, Linear Algebra, but I won't. Those who care can figure it out from that sentence anyway.)

An associated problem, if you want it that, is usually I go into a long conversation scene with things I want to accomplish in terms of characterization and plotting, but the conversation follows a course of it own that often results in my neglecting to cover something. And of course additional things occur to me, often necessitating retconning. When I'm more alert, I leave myself notes in the margins, but if I'm already having difficulty keeping up with my thoughts and giving myself writer's cramp as a result...

Anyway, I got my writing quota done for the day, but ohhhh, that conversation between Haczinev and Brio just would not end. I think I overloaded the political counter-counter-counterscheming, but revision is where I'll worry about unpacking (and cutting!) some of it. Of course, tomorrow (God and little one willing) is when I tackle the Horrible Council Scene. We'll see. This should be rather more fun, if I can keep myself from attempting to depict oratory in the American tradition. I really need to be reading more historically appropriate material while I work on Origami Souls, but by golly I am going to finish the Johnson, I am, darnit!

Aside on methodology: I put placeholders [in brackets], e.g.
She stopped to smell the [whatever that flower's called again].

Extended notes or self-commentary are preceded by slashes, e.g.
// Must remember to work out the level of horticulture in this society and mention it in the previous chapter.

I got the former from Piers Anthony, as aforementioned, the latter from Java. (I used to use {curly braces} as per Pascal, then hit C and Java.)


Meanwhile, in Living German I just hit declension of adjectives, which I shall have to review assiduously. Yay case-marking. 'Course, after even a semester of Latin, it doesn't look bad at all.

Also, in my quest to warp Ara's use of language, I have decided that I am going to memorize Macaulay's "Horatio" (yes, at the bridge) if it kills me. I have the first three stanzas, plus one from somewhere in the middle ("Now Roman is to Roman/ More hateful than a foe..." because I liked it especially), memorized so far. At the rate of one stanza a day, optmistically, this is gonna take a few months. But I love that poem, and it is so meant to be recited. And Arabelle is a forgiving audience for repetition, so...

Other poetry I have memorized? Not much, I'm afraid. I've forgotten Beatrice Farrington's "Ragged John" (from A Treasury of Unicorns, ed. Bruce Coville) except the last stanza. A.E. Housman's "I to my perils," because it's beautiful and cynical in a way I like. The first two stanzas of Poe's "Annabel Lee," which is probably next after the Macaulay (if, if). O'Donohoe's ballad from "Hunting Destiny," in one of the Dragonlance (yes, Dragonlance) Tales anthologies, mainly because I liked the story and it was long and I wanted to show off and my mom helped me memorize it. Lanier's "A Ballad of Trees and the Master." Parts of "Thunder and Roses" by the sf story of that name by Theodore Sturgeon; I had it once but didn't review it enough. Ditto Gordon R. Dickson's "Soldier, Ask Not" (sf again).

Poems I would also like to be able to rattle off: Mary Oliver's "Wild Geese," PMF Johnson's "Lizard Fairy Tales," in Ara's honor. Kim Soweol's "Jindallae," both in the (original) Korean and in (English) translation. Masefield's "Sea Fever." And let's not even get into the haiku....

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[info]rilina wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 04:35 am (UTC)
I've always found that I enjoy writing conversation because it flows so much more quickly than straight narrative for me. I think I can use the techniques for writing varied conversation very unconsciously, whereas descriptive passages tend to plod along as I remind myself of various Important Things. (Vary sentence structure! Don't repeat words ad nauseum! Word choice! Metaphor!).

Glad to hear the writing's going well. Have I mentioned that there's a new Mary Oliver coming out this spring? It's called Why I Wake Early.

Mammoth that it is, the Clute will probably go in the mail this weekend. :)
[info]yhlee wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 10:48 am (UTC)
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LOL. I can see that. You're stronger on characterization overall, so I suspect that's the deciding factor.

Believe me, in writing any description, I end up with stupid amounts of strikeouts while in the process of rough-drafting. (I've never been able to adhere to the "don't revise/fiddle as your write" rule of rough drafting, and have frankly found it hampers me more than crossing things out once in a while.) Here's one of the worse examples from a couple days back:

The room, though minimally furnished, showed every sign of diligent cleaning. A. could no doubt have afforded better, but having turned down more luxurious quarters lodging in his family's luxurious extravagant house at the edge of town not far from the city limits, he said he saw no point in luxury. His vices, aside from books, were the trans transitory [here's Yoon being indecisive and using that adjective after all] ones: performances of every kind, whether they were festhall dances or the shadow-plays that itinerant puppeteers pl put on in sunny dim alleys, imported wines or liqueurs or the angle of autumn sunlight through a weaving of trees.

Deathless prose it is not, and I spend too much time fussing over adjectives that will probably be annihilated anyway in real revision, but what the hey. I also have too much fun overloading description with nifty metaphors and striking images that have to get cut too because they're too distracting from the point of whatever the passage is actually about. (The above is rather pedestrian, from that standpoint. Mask and Glove is a huge offender in this regard. Too many latinate words.)

Meanwhile, Joy, you are a saint. Don't forget to include the invoice, as it were. :-)
[info]yhlee wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 01:16 pm (UTC)
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--oh, my. Another Mary Oliver? A reason to rejoice!
[info]rilina wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 01:28 pm (UTC)
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And there's another one coming out in the fall. She's been busy!

Re [info]inklings_lj: your comment on [info]max_power2's question made me realize that I had forgotten to restrict commenting to current members. But I'm glad you were able to comment--I'm just trying to avoid comments from certain people who were turned down for membership. So do you want to be re-added as a member (even if you're a rather silent one), so you can still comment?
[info]yhlee wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 06:43 pm (UTC)
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If you don't mind me lurking (and contributing the occasional comment) until I can get my life in order, I'd like to stay. No votes for me until I start getting reading done, however. :-)
[info]maga_dogg wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 09:58 am (UTC)
My poetry memorisation seems relatively orthodox. I can manage a couple of Shakespeare sonnets, a chunk from T.S. Eliot's Little Gidding, Thomas Carew's Give me more love, or more disdaine, and the odd chunk of Blake. At one point I attempted to memorise the entire Dao De Ching, but I got about ten chapters in before giving up. (Blank verse: difficult). It's something I should really do more of, because it forces one to pay immediate attention to the basic constituents of the phrases, mull over alternative readings, and so forth in order to escape utter boredom.

(Hope you don't object to the add. I'm the guy who very intermittently posts damning reviews on rgif).
[info]yhlee wrote:
Feb. 10th, 2004 10:37 am (UTC)
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Pas du tout. I remember laughing hard over some of those reviews. :-)

I haven't even bothered with any lengthy blank verse. It's amazing how much easier it is to memorize something that rhymes. Or maybe not so amazing, because of the cues. Ditto things like alliteration or pararhyme (I love Wilfred Owen on this front) or just sheer repetition: "...And bade his messengers ride forth,/ East and west and south and north,/ To summon his array" then, next stanza, "East and west and south and north,/ The messengers ride fast...." (I don't guarantee that this is absolutely correct, since I'm still working on the memorization, but...)

As much as I kicked, screamed and cried when I had to memorize things for English, I enjoyed the feeling of accomplishment, and got into poetry in a big way. I wish I still had the "I come not to bury Caesar, but to praise him" thing memorized. And my husband has "Die Lorelei," the Gettysburg Address, and the "To be or not to be?" soliloquy memorized, which is not the amazing thing, but what's amazing is the utterly incomprehensible speed at which he can recite any of them. I imagine when he was prepping for his oral exams (he's a grad student) his advisor kept having to tell him to SLOW DOWN AND ENUNCIATE....

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