Titti ([info]titti) wrote,
@ 2004-06-04 21:49:00
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I went to see PoA with [info]amireal. I didn't wear robes, but I did wear gray skirt and gray/black shirt with a witch on it, and my Slytherin scarf. No one remarked on it. I doubt most people realized that it was indeed a Slytherin scarf, but what the hell, it's all about House pride.



There were some things that I liked:

1. Yes, Cuaron actually managed to convince Dan that he should at least attempt to act. You know, it would actually make sense if you're an actor. Still even Cuaron couldn't make me believe that crying/snivelling after the Three Broomsticks. It's bad acting and terribly OOC. Cuaron, go read the books.

There were nice touches as well:

- The kids all in disarray at the Care of Magical Creatures class except for Draco, who was perfectly groomed. So very Malfoy of him

- Draco's ring.

- In that same class, when Harry flew the Slytherins stayed compact on the other side, never looking up. Score for my Slytherin.

2. I have mixed about the wardrobe department.

I have to say that whoever had the idea of using 2003 hip clothes on a film set in 1993 should be shot dead. I don't like Muggle clothes on the kids, especially when they look like they are coming out of the Paris Fall collection. That pink shirt!?! Someone kill me now.

The one reason, I'm not screaming for loss of life and/or limb are the robes. God, they looked so much more like robes: thicker, swirler (I know I made up a word). The darker uniforms were also a great idea (Yes, I'm still pissed that they have a Catholic school uniform when we KNOW from canon that they ONLY wear robes.)

3. I know people are raving about Cuaron and his brilliancy, and maybe it's not his fault. Maybe he was handed a script and he had no fricking clue about HP, but there are things that can't be justified:

- The scene with aunt Marge turned into comic relief. Sorry, but that misses the point. Harry is angry, so angry that he performs unauthorized magic. When the anger disappears, he's scared that he's going to be expelled. At no time, he's happy or cheerful. However, the way it was filmed, it looked funny

- The Marauders. How could he not mention them? How difficult would have been for Pettigrew to say Moony, Padfoot, instead of Remus, Sirius? Why not explain the patronus? Bad, bad omissions.

- The 'prank'. That's such a vital part in explaining the antagonism Snape has for Sirius and his distrust of Remus.

- The potion. 'Nough said.

4. I liked Gambion as Dumbledore. He looked more eccentric and also more the manipulative bastard I believe Dumbledore to be.

5. I LOVE the Slytherins. Pansy looks adorable. I might have to write femslash just for her. Draco…There are no words to express my Draco love. I squeed every time he was on screen. Vince is too cute. I still don't understand why Greg wasn't there with Draco and Vince. He was in the movie. In fact, he was in the choir (I can't see Greg in the choir, but whatever). So why have the new kid (Blaise) with Draco? I'll have to look at the credits.

6. Gary Oldman as Sirius was really good, crazy enough, but still likable. I'm still undecided about Lupin. I'll probably know on further viewings. (although I'm in no rush to watch it again)





Harry's Room

Cuaron: Let's add something special, something creative. I know! Harry under the covers stroking his wand.
Assistant: Umm… I think this movie is PG
Cuaron: A man can't have any fun. All right, Harry under the covers studying.
Assistant: Much better.
Cuaron grins: Si, he's studying wand positions. *wriggles eyebrows*

Aunt Marge
Scary scene - Harry terrified

Cuaron: Nah, that's boring, the kids won't like it, the critics will think it's overdone. Let's make it into a comedy.
Assistant: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure the kid is worried there.
Cuaron: No, no es problema. Harry pulls the wand on an unarmed Muggle and everyone cheers. They'll love it.

Care of Magical Creature Class

Cuaron: Let's do something different. Harry flies.
Assistant: But sir, Harry's been flying since he got to Hogwarts. All the kids have. It's not such a big deal.
Cuaron: Then we make it bigger, longer, more Hollywood like. I know, just tell Celine that we need her to sing My heart will go on
Assistant: I think that's the Titanic
Cuaron: You worry too much. No one will remember.

The Entire Movie
Assistant: Sir, you do know that Ron Weasley is actually one of the main characters, right?
Cuaron: Ron, who?
Assistant: Ron Weasley, Harry's best friend.
Cuaron: Oh, supergirl's would be boyfriends. Hermione will take care of him.

More Entire Movie
Cuaron: And Hermione kills Voldemort
Assistant: I'm sorry, Sir, but Voldemort isn't in this movie.
Cuaron: All right, then she saves the Hippogriff, saves Sirius, defends him in court, sets him free, captures Pettigrew, stops the Dementors, and ends world hunger
Assistant: …??
Cuaron: Damn, but I really, really like her *whines*
Assistant: She's a minor
Cuaron: Fine, but can she act like a totally psychotic bully and punch Draco because he doesn't like the hipposomething?
Assistant: If you insist… *rolls eyes*

Map Scene
Assistant: Sir, but if Lupin knows about Pettigrew, why doesn't he tell Dumbledore so that they can detain him, and they can set Sirius free.
Cuaron: Because he doesn't trust Dumbledore
Assistant: But Sir, Dumbledore kept his secret when Lupin was a student, Dumbledore hired him when no one else would, Dumbledore protected Sirius after the nutjob tried to kill Snape, Dumbledore told Snape to make the potion.
Cuaron: Again with this potion. Fine, we'll take all of that out and now he doesn't trust Dumbledore. Okay?
Assistant: *mumbles*

Shack Scene
Cuaron: I need to prove my insightfulness. Snape wastes time by making slashy remark.
Assistant: But we already wasted time with the flying scenes, and skipped the potion, and Harry doesn't think that Snape is trying to poison his favorite professor or that his father was one of the Marauders. Wouldn't it make sense to use the time for that?
Cuaron: I must prove that I'm a genius.
Assistant: *cough* Of course.

Werewolf Scene
Assistant: Sir, this didn't happen
Cuaron: But it looks good, and Sirius and Remus get to touch each other.
Assistant: But Sir, wouldn't Lupin know about the moon? And when did Hermione learn to howl? Why does he look like a man?
Cuaron: Details, details
Assistant: Mmm, Sir? Did Sirius just mention a potion? But the potion was recently invented. How does he know if he's been in Azkaban for 12 years?
Cuaron: Potion? What potion? Oh who care!

Ending
Cuaron: This was a great movie
Assistant: Yes, I believe it is, Sir. Here, I got something for you. Just a little thing.
Cuaron: Gracias. What is it?
Assistant: It's Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. You might want to read it. *mutters* Thank God it's over.



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[info]sabershadowkat
2004-06-04 07:05 pm UTC (link)
LOL. See my PoA entry for my first impression. I'm about to see it again with the Man and then I'll write so more tomorrow.

But I'm not changing the clothing in DMTE. I'm having them wear movie-uniform and robes for schooltime and (purebloods) casual robes on the weekends. Since I use it as a plot point of Dumbledore trying to blend the muggles into the school, I'll try and convince you through the writing that it's believable. Or maybe just a more recent thing. Or you'll just have to suffer, so there *g*

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[info]titti
2004-06-04 07:08 pm UTC (link)
What? You aren't changing them into Guess. I'm soooo disappointed. LOL

Have fun.

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[info]dkwilliams
2004-06-04 08:33 pm UTC (link)
Love the dialog between Cuaron and Assistant - that is too funny. And I agree with your take on the movie.

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[info]titti
2004-06-04 08:50 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad that my Cuaron could amuse you. *g*

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[info]eumenides1
2004-06-04 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Then we make it bigger, longer, more Hollywood like. I know, just tell Celine that we need her to sing My heart will go on

Oh god yes, when Harry spread out his arms my 13 year old daughter and I almost simultaneously whispered, 'Oh Jack, I'm flying!'.

To all your wonderful points I would add how frustrated I was that when Lupin took the map from Snape and was berating Harry, he knew it was a map and Harry didn't even question it.

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[info]titti
2004-06-04 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Oh, yes, must add that to the wonderful Cuaron/Assistan discussion. It's such a blatent OOC response for Harry, who question everything to just shrug off the fact that Lupin knew what it was.

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[info]madscot
2004-06-04 11:28 pm UTC (link)
so glad it wasn't just me. I've read so many reviews of how wonderful and perfect it all was, I was beginning to thing I'd seen a different film.

I've already ranted, so I'll shut up now.

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 09:27 am UTC (link)
I've gotten to the point where I ignore the dashing reviews. I know people are so desperate for more, but I'm happy with my books.

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[info]jamaisneutral
2004-06-05 04:22 am UTC (link)
I really, really don't see how they're going to explain the strange muggle clothes the wizards wear at the quidditch world cup (book 4). Even the Weasleys had perfectly normal muggle clothes on and they're purebloods!

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 09:29 am UTC (link)
Did you see the perfectly tailored 70's retro jacket that Arthur was wearing? My only thought was he almost looks cool and that's SO wrong.

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[info]slinkhard
2004-06-05 09:17 am UTC (link)
Harry pulls the wand on an unarmed Muggle and everyone cheers.

Word. I loathe the comedy relief of Let's Torture The Dursleys (the pig's tail in PS, etc.) Because it's so fair to match the skills of The Boy Who Lived against Muggles.

Cuaron: And Hermione kills Voldemort
Assistant: I'm sorry, Sir, but Voldemort isn't in this movie.
Cuaron: All right, then she saves the Hippogriff, saves Sirius, defends him in court, sets him free, captures Pettigrew, stops the Dementors, and ends world hunger
Cuaron: Damn, but I really, really like her *whines*
Assistant: She's a minor
Cuaron: Fine, but can she act like a totally psychotic bully and punch Draco because he doesn't like the hipposomething?

Bwahaha!
Don't forget Sirius' last words to H&Hr being that of admiration for Hermione Sue, the girl who has quicker reflexes than Harry and can lift a teenaged boy with one arm!
And yes, I thought the punching scene was idiotic - there's nothing feminist or 'girl power' about being an asshole and punching someone for no reason (if she was going to, wouldn't it have been more likely when Draco called her a mudblood, rather than the fairly innocous 'Come to see the show?')

Assistant: Sir, but if Lupin knows about Pettigrew, why doesn't he tell Dumbledore so that they can detain him, and they can set Sirius free.
Cuaron: Because he doesn't trust Dumbledore
Assistant: But Sir, Dumbledore kept his secret when Lupin was a student, Dumbledore hired him when no one else would, Dumbledore protected Sirius after the nutjob tried to kill Snape, Dumbledore told Snape to make the potion.
Cuaron: Again with this potion. Fine, we'll take all of that out and now he doesn't trust Dumbledore. Okay?
Assistant: *mumbles*

Love Assistant! To be fair, Lupin not telling was a big problem in the books, but then I always thought PoA was JKR's most overrated work.

Shack Scene
Cuaron: I need to prove my insightfulness. Snape wastes time by making slashy remark.

P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G that's the way we spell pandering! Plus Lupin's self pitying 'People like me' - omg such a metaphor for homosexuality! Except that being gay is not really comparable to being an irresponsible, ineffective teacher who risked everyone in the entire Village and castles' lives over and over again because he was too cowardly to tell Dumbledore.

Great review!

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 09:41 am UTC (link)
Word. I loathe the comedy relief of Let's Torture The Dursleys (the pig's tail in PS, etc.) Because it's so fair to match the skills of The Boy Who Lived against Muggles.

I think there is an obvious prejudice in book, and I'm not talking about the Slytherins. Even the other purebloods view Muggles like some sort of amusement attraction. However, Harry has never shown that attitude.

I found the 'funny' scenes to show what a bully Harry, like most Gryff, is. Yeah, beating your enemy when you're invisible is such a great feat.

Bwahaha!
Don't forget Sirius' last words to H&Hr being that of admiration for Hermione Sue, the girl who has quicker reflexes than Harry and can lift a teenaged boy with one arm!
And yes, I thought the punching scene was idiotic - there's nothing feminist or 'girl power' about being an asshole and punching someone for no reason (if she was going to, wouldn't it have been more likely when Draco called her a mudblood, rather than the fairly innocous 'Come to see the show?')


Don't get me started on Hermione. I could write a dissertation on Hermione-Sue. Let's just say that Cuaron didn't help.

Love Assistant! To be fair, Lupin not telling was a big problem in the books, but then I always thought PoA was JKR's most overrated work.

Yes, but in the book I could see the internation tension of betraying they friendship they had and the kids' well being. Here there is no tension. He KNOWS that Peter is alive and that Sirius is most likely innocent. Staying silent makes no sense here.

P-A-N-D-E-R-I-N-G that's the way we spell pandering! Plus Lupin's self pitying 'People like me' - omg such a metaphor for homosexuality! Except that being gay is not really comparable to being an irresponsible, ineffective teacher who risked everyone in the entire Village and castles' lives over and over again because he was too cowardly to tell Dumbledore.

Right, that's a little point everyone seems to miss, even in the books. Sev was mean by telling. Yeah, never mind that Lupin could have killed students. *shakes head* I know that I wouldn't want my kids in a school run by Dumbledore with Lupin as teacher.

Great review!

Thank you.

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[info]slinkhard
2004-06-05 09:53 am UTC (link)
I found the 'funny' scenes to show what a bully Harry, like most Gryff, is. Yeah, beating your enemy when you're invisible is such a great feat.

Exactly what I posted in my journal! Great minds and all that ;)
I missed Lupin smacking him down over that specifically, rather than wandering the corridors.
Plus, hardly a fantastic indication of 'bravery'.

Right, that's a little point everyone seems to miss, even in the books. Sev was mean by telling. Yeah, never mind that Lupin could have killed students. *shakes head* I know that I wouldn't want my kids in a school run by Dumbledore with Lupin as teacher.

Word, word, word. Lupin risked everyone's life over and over, by not telling what he knew about Sirius, and by forgetting his potion.
And I loathe the idea that it's a metaphor for homosexuality 'Blah blah people like me'.
Oh yes, those nasty prejudiced parents, how dare they object to a teacher who risked all his pupil's lives at least twice in ONE TERM!
Plus, I wasn't all that impressed with him anyway - I mean, look at the movie. The three people he teaches besides Harry, whom he devotes all his time to? Gryffindors.
I doubt the rest of the school got any of the time or attention he lavished on TBWL.

There does seem to be a tone in JKR's books that the best parent is an uninvolved one.
Harry is the hero, despite being emotionally abused by his parent figures.
Hermione's relationship with her parents is non existent so far. She stays at Hogwarts for the holidays, cuts short trips with them. Were they even told when she was petrified
Molly is an archetypal Mother figure and the worst criticism she encounters is when she offers advice about parenting.
Lucius (and presumably Narcissa)' attitude to parenting is questioned when they get involved in the school aspect of Draco's life - buying equipment (but Sirius and McGonagall are okay!), trying to resolve an injury (I have no love for Lucius, but if my kid was hurt in the same situation, I hope I'd follow his example!)
The parents and WW society are indirectly criticised for prejudice towards giants ('All the mummies and daddies are afraid blah blah canoncakes') and werewolves. Um, maybe that's because they *are* dangerous.
Hagrid has a history of class injuries, poor dealing with any responsibility (telling Quirrel about Fluffy; Grawp), binge drinking and a criminal record with the very subject he's teaching. If not wanting him to teach is wrong, I don't want to be right!

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 10:42 am UTC (link)
I'd be like Lucius and worse if my daughters got hurt in school. Sack the teacher, kill the animal. Nothing and no one is more important than my child.

I also was talking to [info]amireal about parents and their non-presence. In these books, the kids spend 10 months out of the year, for 7 years at Hogwarts under the tutelage of the teachers and Dumbledore, and yet 'all' the Slytherins turn evil. I wonder who is to blame.

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(Anonymous)
2004-06-05 03:00 pm UTC (link)
the kids spend 10 months out of the year, for 7 years at Hogwarts under the tutelage of the teachers and Dumbledore, and yet 'all' the Slytherins turn evil. I wonder who is to blame.

I think at least part of the blame should go to the fact
that th WW seems to put WAY to much importance on the choices of a brainless leather hat.
Since reading the fifth book I've had a theory that Sirius was a very spoiled child until he was sorted in to Gyffindor. No proof of course but the hint are there. Especially the way he talked about his own brothers death.
Tasogare_no_hime

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 04:05 pm UTC (link)
I've always thought that Sirius was arrogant, prejudiced, and used to having his way. OotP only reinforced this. In fact, he's very much like Draco.

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(Anonymous)
2004-06-05 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I agree completely. As much as I love the books I think JK has somewhat of a shortcoming in characterization. In essence the "good guys" are arrogant or manipulative jerks,(EX,Sirius,Severus,Albus,Harry) anyone who is an actual kind, nice person is portrayed in someway as an idiot,(EX,Mr Weasly,Hagrid)
And the evil people are apparently evil without motive,Kinda reminds me of G.I.Joe. (I don't know if you've ever seen G.I.Joe, Basically its villains are terrorist trying to take over the world for no other reason than that they are evil and taking over the world is the evil thing to do.) Maybe every thing will be explained more in the next two books. I really hope so. Perhaps I read to much manga but I like characters having motives for things.
Tasogare_no_hime

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[info]titti
2004-06-06 08:36 am UTC (link)
I think JKR has a very skewed sense of morality, and her plotholes are so big that they rival the Grand Canyon, but that's great when writing fanfic.

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mentalstaples
2004-06-05 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Cuaron: Let's add something special, something creative. I know! Harry under the covers stroking his wand.

One of the first things my friends and I thought of.
Me: What is he doing?
Friend: Masturbating?

And then he was laying down looking all exhausted.

The whole movie was slashy.

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[info]titti
2004-06-05 07:34 pm UTC (link)
It was tres slash, it's what kept me squeeing throughout.

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[info]biginjapan
2004-06-06 06:16 am UTC (link)
:) Hilarious... especially the thing about the werewolf scene. *thumbs up*

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[info]titti
2004-06-06 08:34 am UTC (link)
Thanks. I'm glad I could amuse a few people. *g*

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