Guav ([info]throwingstardna) wrote,
@ 2005-07-20 11:03:00
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Liberating The Iraqi People

25,000 Civilians Killed In Iraq War
The Iraq Body Count—a London-based group comprising academics and human rights and anti-war activists—said on Tuesday that 24,865 civilians had died between March 20, 2003 and March 19, 2005. The group said 42,500 injuries were recorded as well.

The report also said that "U.S.-led forces were sole killers of 37% of civilian victims" and that "anti-occupation forces were sole killers of 9% of civilian victims." It added that "criminals killed 36% of all civilians."
I wonder how they differentiate between anti-occupation forces and "criminals." By criminals do they just mean common street crime, or unsolved killings? Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, mentions something that might fall into the "criminal" category [no link]:
There is increasing evidence that the Iraqi police forces, now under Shi'ite control, are carrying out systematic revenge killings against Sunnis in Baghdad. The bodies now showing up at the morgue have obvious signs of handcuffing and blindfolding and evidence of being tortured before death. U.S. sources indicate that the suspicious killings have reached the rate of almost 700 per month.

The police are supervised by the Shi'ite-run Ministry of Interior, hich claims the killings are being carried out by insurgents wearing stolen police uniforms. But American intelligence sources disagree, noting that many of the killers appear to be actual policemen carrying the expensive standard-issue Glocks and driving Toyota Land Cruisers.
Just like old times, a police force disappearing people. In somewhat of a departure from old times, Democracy Arsenal notes that the...
...latest word is that Iraq's draft constitution will roll back the rights and freedoms of women in the name of Shaaria (Koranic law). The draft provides that family law matters like marriage, divorce and inheritance would be governed by religious law based on the sect to which the woman's family belongs.

This would require Shi'ite women to get their families' permission to marry and give men, but not women, liberal rights to divorce. This would replace a body of law that has for the past few decades been among the region's most progressive in its treatment of women, according them freedom to marry who they please and requiring judicial oversight of divorces.
Keep in mind that in the past few decades, especially before the 1990 Gulf War, Iraqi women were among the—if not the—most educated and free women in the Arab world (aside from the fact that Saddam and his sons could and did kidnap and rape them at will, of course). And just so you don't forget the current situation in Iraq, Reuters reports that just yesterday:
  • In the northeastern city of Baquba, guerrillas in two cars attacked a van taking Iraqi workers to the local US military base, killing 13 persons, including 3 unrelated persons in another car, into which the van crashed when its driver was shot.
  • In the village of Abu Khamis, just 3 miles south of Baquba, guerrillas assassinated a member of the local municipal council, Qasim Ahmad.
  • Guerrillas near Mahmudiya south of Baghdad used a roadside bomb to kill two policemen and wound four others.
  • In Samarra just north of Baghdad, guerrillas fired on a police car in the center of the city, killing a policeman, Col. Allam Muhammad. Al-Sharq al-Awsat reports two persons dead in clashes between guerrillas and a joint US-Iraqi military patrol.
  • Al-Sharq al-Awsat says that three Iraqi troops were wounded by a roadside bomb in al-Mu'tasim, east of Samarra.
  • The same source says a roadside bomb in Balad north of Baghdad killed two troops and wounded one civilian.
  • Guerrillas in Baiji assassinated a businessman, Khammas al-Qaisi, 39, in the west of the city.
  • In Tikrit, guerrillas used a bomb to kill a police guard.
  • In the northern oil city of Kirkuk, guerrillas targeted a police patrol with a roadside bomb, killing one policeman and one civilian, and injuring 3 others.
So the insurgency is "in it's last throes" apparently, and everything is running smoothly. And the experiment continues ...


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[info]bloominglotus
2005-07-20 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Isn't it funny how the new Supreme Court nomination was perfectly timed to push these stories (and the Rove issues) off the front page? Just sayin'.

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OT
[info]miniature
2005-07-20 03:14 pm UTC (link)
just saw your friend matt murdock on overheard in nyc

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Re: OT
[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 03:39 pm UTC (link)
His name isn't really Matt Murdock, so I doubt it was him. Just another nerd using Daredevil's "secret identity" as a nickname :)

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Re: OT
[info]miniature
2005-07-20 03:46 pm UTC (link)
michelle = PWNED :[

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Re: OT
[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 04:09 pm UTC (link)
My intent was not to "PWNED" you.

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no, it was by my own ignorance
[info]miniature
2005-07-20 04:25 pm UTC (link)
my buddy has been nothing but kind except when i tell him i believed in bonsaikitten!

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Re: no, it was by my own ignorance
[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 07:55 pm UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHHAHAA

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Re: OT
[info]kitsunekaboom
2005-07-20 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I was about to say "holy shit! this guy knows EVERYBODY!" ;)

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[info]lamartin
2005-07-20 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Please post for us your take on the Supreme Court nomination -- do you think that Roberts is right-wing? Do you think he would try to overturn Roe v. Wade?

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[info]xiota
2005-07-20 04:02 pm UTC (link)
he is quoted as saying he has no problem with upholding the roe v wade precedence.

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[info]maxomai
2005-07-20 04:05 pm UTC (link)
His rulings on just about everything else are pretty conservative. Details here.

He never ruled on Roe but did write an amicus curriae brief in 1990 stating that Roe should be overturned.

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[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 04:11 pm UTC (link)
I don't take requests.

( that means I don't know enough about the topic to have an opinion on it :)

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[info]lee_f
2005-07-20 03:53 pm UTC (link)
I love when people say "since we liberated Iraq, girls can now go to school, and women can show their faces."

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Yeah
[info]maxomai
2005-07-20 04:06 pm UTC (link)
It's almost as if they confused Iraq with Afghanistan.

I wonder where they got that idea?

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Re: Yeah
[info]lee_f
2005-07-21 12:23 am UTC (link)
Right wing talk shows, and Faux News.

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Or Oceana, or whatever.
[info]mezdeathhead
2005-07-21 11:43 pm UTC (link)
What are you talking about? We've always been at war with Iraq.

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The nail in the coffin
[info]maxomai
2005-07-20 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Yesterday you'll recall that three Sunnis on the Iraqi Constitutional Convention were assassinated.

After that, the Sunnis officially pulled out of the Iraqi Constitutional Convention</a>, en masse.

That pretty much kills it. I'd be surprised if Iraq, as such, even exists in ten years. More than likely it'll get nibbled on and split into three parts.

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Re: The nail in the coffin (and that coffin is ours)
[info]weepingorge
2005-07-20 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Which is pretty much the opposite of what we ever wanted, a third likely joining with Iran (same religion), a third as a Kurdish state to Turkey's great displeasure, and a third allied or annexed to Saudi Arabia further monopolizing Persian Gulf oil. If we went in for the exact purpose of ruining U.S. political power in the Mideast, it would be a mission accomplished.

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[info]dingo727
2005-07-20 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Guav, do you by any chance have a link to a list of all the names of the London bombing victims (dead and injured)?

I just remembered by #1 man from ROTC is in England for the summer. :(

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[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 08:19 pm UTC (link)
No, I don't :/

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[info]dingo727
2005-07-21 12:31 am UTC (link)
I just got an email from him. He and his are okay.

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[info]trundle
2005-07-20 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Have you been following the Supreme Court business?

I find the nepotism of the nomination particularly appalling. According to CNN.com:

During the dispute over the 2000 presidential election, Roberts was part of a team of Republican lawyers and former Supreme Court law clerks who assisted the Bush-Cheney campaign.

So Roberts helps use the Supreme Court to get Bush into office, and then Bush uses the office to get Roberts into the Supreme Court. We're locked into a cycle of one branch of the government choosing its appointees to the others. Checks and balances? What are those?

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[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 08:43 pm UTC (link)
Well what do you expect? You thinks he's gonna nominate Ward Churchill or something?

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[info]trundle
2005-07-20 08:50 pm UTC (link)
Well, of course it's going to be a loyal right-winger. It could just be a loyal right-winger who's wasn't directly connected to one of the most bitter legal battles in recent memory that ALSO directly resulted in the apointment of GW Bush.

It's the same thing with Gonzalez. I mean, I expect to see an Ashcroft or a Condoleeza Rice in the cabinet. Of course you choose people who's political ideologies match yours. But you also choose people who's professional backgrounds match those of the job you're giving them. You don't just choose someone because you were pals.

This guy's been a judge for all of 3 years or so. He did nothing in that time that warrants such a drastic promotion. The only thing that makes him eligible for the position is his direct connection to Bush. This is the rough hypothetical equivalent of Clinton appointing Lewinsky as Secretary of Education. Sure, she went to school, so I guess she's qualified for the top job in the field.

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Re: Apathetic fucks
[info]noh0pe4me
2005-07-20 08:34 pm UTC (link)
You bitching on the internet is sure to fix that though.

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Re: Apathetic fucks
[info]cybersattva
2005-07-20 09:24 pm UTC (link)
Bwa ha ha! Touche. :)

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Re: Apathetic fucks
[info]noh0pe4me
2005-07-20 09:24 pm UTC (link)
OMG i did hear that about Angelina. I'd love to get some ringtones for just 50 cents, but I actually blew ALL of my money downloading music for my iPod.

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Re: Apathetic fucks
[info]throwingstardna
2005-07-20 09:32 pm UTC (link)
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

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[info]curiouslyadrift
2005-07-20 09:59 pm UTC (link)
Of course, 25,000 killed and 42,000 injured is as solid a figure as is possible to produce. Credible estimates based on interviews, analyses, etc. range past 100,000. Plus, since the public figure of injured U.S. servicemen is around 15,000 (estimated to actually be as high as 40,000), suggesting that the American death:injury ratio is only 1:10 while the Iraqi ratio is less than 1:2 obviously can't be accurate - I wouldn't be surprised if the number of maimed and injured Iraqis went well past 200,000.

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