The Ferrett ([info]theferrett) wrote,
@ 2003-08-01 12:18:00
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Twenty-Four Hours, Thirty Minutes

As of about now, the last time I ate food was 24 hours ago. It's a good feeling, bitter and clean; the feeling of just purging. My gut squirms, empty of anything but diet soda - soda which rushes through my system, unhampered, to drain directly out half an hour later.

I'd forgotten what it was like to fast.

When I was a teenager, I was fat and unwashed, and I hated myself for my weakness. I joined the swim team in an effort to lose some weight - but as it turned out, I hated swim team. My hair, never very good to begin with, absorbed two hours' worth of chlorine a day and melted into a tangled mess that stopped just short of dreadlocks. My skin always itched. And worst of all, not only was I the fattest boy on the team (I discovered then that even when I went down to 160 pounds, I still had a tiny, embryonic beer gut), but I wasn't a very good swimmer.

I was the third-best swimmer at the backstroke. That oughtta tell you my mad skills at the aquatic motions.

So I began to fake illnesses before big events. The rules said that if you had a cold twenty-four hours before any competition, you were automatically excluded since they didn't want your nose dripping pure viral loads directly into the pool; I began to come down with the sniffles on an astonishingly regular basis. I did my year and quit.

I felt tired, and exhausted, and worn out. I wasn't quite a failure, but I wasn't a success either. And I was still gaining weight once the three-hour, ten-mile daily swims went away.

Then one day, I just stopped eating. Just stopped; it amazed me that I could, but something in my body told me that no, you don't need to do this right now. I went twelve hours, then went to sleep; when I woke up, it had been an amazing twenty hours sans food, and I decided to see how long I could last.

It was seven in the evening before I finally caved in. Almost thirty-one hours without food.

I became addicted to fasting.

It was, in many ways, the purest self-control; my body wanted to survive, I wanted to be thin. I adopted a diet of waiting as long as possible to eat - and each hour gave me a satisfaction that few meals could touch. I walked around, immaculate in my self-control, avoiding meals until I broke down and ate a bunch.

Then I waited another day.

The weight peeled off of me. Oh, the dietary readings said it was bad - and maybe it was. But the fact is that none of the other diets ever worked for me. They all involved eating less, or different foods... But the problem was that I was still captain of my ship. Dieting was hard because there were other foods there; sure, maybe you knew you were supposed to only eat the wheat wafer or the slab of bacon (and no bread) - but the Ho-Hos were still at the top of the cupboard, and you couldn't bury them deeply enough that you couldn't hear them calling.

But to starve yourself? All choice is removed. It feels white, and pure, and absolute. And there was a friendly little sting of self-hatred in there; take that, body. You've never done anything for me anyway.

I fasted, and I gained friends, and everything got better. And as it did, I lost the urge to fast - and over the past fifteen years, most of that weight has come piling incrementally back. (It came back a fuck of a lot slower than the Atkins diet, though.) But fasting made me who I am. It forged my personality, brought me strength, showed me a new way.

I'm questioning everything that I am right now. I am adrift, second-guessing my every thought, trying to figure out what's a rational, understandable thought, and what's too much to ask for. I do not know whether I am a good person or a bad person, or what I should be doing right now; I don't even know whether I should post this or not, and I'm really really sorry if I shouldn't have. My life is a shifting tide of literal insecurity; who am I? What have I become?

Fasting is my anchor. It is something I know.

A day and fifteen minutes now. In another half an hour, it will be a day and forty-five. In an hour, it will be almost twenty-three hours.

Eat.



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[info]skripka
2003-08-01 09:35 am UTC (link)
Wow. I get it.

I was visiting some family overseas this past month, and an accidental fast occured. It was... freeing... in a way.

I needed the control (things were spiraling), and it was too hot to eat anyway. It's amazing how little I felt like eating after 8 hours. After 12, the smell of food was more than a bit nausea inducing.

I think I went for about 30 hours all told. I'm going to try again in a few days, a week or so, and see if I can get that sense of my body back.

Fascinating reading.

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[info]theferrett
2003-08-04 07:20 am UTC (link)
It actually helps. I know it's medically unsound (one of my friends is a nurse, and she's so pissed at me for doing this we can't talk about it), but it does give a feeling of control.

And yeah, the mild nausea? I got that, too. But I still need to drink.

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Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]zigurat
2003-08-07 08:15 am UTC (link)
Fasting isn't bad for you at all. Most medical professionals just think so. There's quite a bit of medical evidence to the contrary. It's certainly not harmful--you just shouldn't overdo it and you shouldn't binge at the end. But in fact, many people have fasted up to 40 days with no long-term medical consequences. Ignore your nurse friend who disagrees. Fasting for a day once a week certainly won't hurt you.

It can be quite a healthy part of discipline, but if that's the end of the discipline, it might be rather unfulfilling. IOW, it might help if it were based in something. A way of life, a theology.

Well, this is the old _counselor you might, or might not, remember back from echostation about...4 years ago. Or maybe it's not the old one. I thought I'd say hi, and I'm starting to blog now, so catch up if you have an inclination.

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]scathedobsidian
2003-11-16 05:51 am UTC (link)
Well, it really depends on how long you do it and how often. Eventually your body may begin consuming as much muscle as it does fat. Burning muscle's not so good for you, especially over 35.

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]zigurat
2003-11-17 07:01 am UTC (link)
Killing irreplaceable muscle cells is something I would term "bad".

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]scathedobsidian
2003-11-17 08:15 am UTC (link)
Actually, muscle cells are far from irreplaceable. In fact, the entire concept of bodybuilding is based on the body's construction of new muscle. When you lift weight or exercise a muscle repetitively in similar fashion, the feeling of the "burn" is actually the exercise tearing up your muscles. This is why you shouldn't lift weights with the same muscle group every day- your body fills in the damaged muscle regions with new tissue, thusly building the muscle up. One could surmise that this simple principle evolved from the body's attempts to prevent damage from similar strains in the future.

But no, fasting isn't so good for you, and neither is burning muscle. To each his own.

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]zigurat
2003-11-17 12:29 pm UTC (link)
My understanding is that by adulthood, existing muscle cells can be strengthened but no new muscle cells can be created, although they can be destroyed through overwork or starvation--quite different from fat cells. Fat cells can be created but are never destroyed--they just shrink. So the tendency is to decrease muscle and increase fat.

But moderate fasting is still not harmful in the long run.

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]3339666
2008-06-05 11:23 pm UTC (link)
You have that completely backwards. Once we reach physical maturity, the body has a finite number of fat cells.

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Re: Fasting actually isn't bad for you.
[info]guttaperk
2004-03-15 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Fasting for brief periods is quite good for you, and many knowledgeable mediacal practitioners are aware of this.

Fasting to gain a sense of control in the presence of unhealthy eating habits, however, is a different matter. That's one step away from anorexia nervosa.


Fasting is in many ways like punishing a child. Doing it in the wrong ways, or for the wrong reasons is far worse than not doing it at all.

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your fast
(Anonymous)
2004-05-03 08:13 am UTC (link)
wow, i just read your livejournal entry about your addiction to fasting. it is quite satisfying, isn't it. difficult but satisfying.

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There is something to it...
[info]force_of_will
2003-08-01 09:48 am UTC (link)
For the last decade or so I have usually taken on some form of self denial for Lent. You know I bypassed that this year...but going 40 days without meat, or sugar, or soda or whatever has meaning to the person doing it.

There is in this world a powerful effect in what I call "the affirmation through negation". Buddah was tempted, Christ was tempted, and they were enlightened in part by simply saying no. "I will not eat" when given a meaningful period is about as deep as we can go.

It was less meaningful but while wrestling in school I went like 3 days over the Christmas holidays having little more than coffee. I swore I'd never go back there but I did.

I'm all screwed up right now. My diet is bad for my condition. I don't find time to exercise...and as I said before now I'm often forced to eat things, usually sugar, to climb into my insulin dose. Not long ago when I talked about the illness BDM said similar things to me, "I'm eating into my dose" and such that I didn't get at the time. Initially I was doing well. Now, I don't know.

Will

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Re: There is something to it...
[info]theferrett
2003-08-04 07:21 am UTC (link)
It does provide a link back to the respected men of Western Civilization... But one of the things I actually axed out of the original essay was that it was interesting that fasting has a noble tradition, but cutting yourself - another method practicted by many holy men - is just fucked up.

What DOES "eating into your dose" mean? I don't know a whole lot about diabetes, aside from your posts....

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Re: There is something to it...
[info]force_of_will
2003-08-05 12:39 pm UTC (link)
I take two kinds of insulin. One I take at night that lasts around 14-15 hours. It fairly new but has a good record of keeping overall sugars down. You top that by taking a short acting insulin, one that works over about a two hour period, right after you eat. I take a dose that's for about a 70 to 80 grams of carbs meal. That's actually quite a bit and sometimes you eat and take the shot and you realize that while you're actually full you've only had like 40-50 grams of carbs. After a while you start to feel lightheaded as the insuling drops your sugar and you go around looking for a candybar or something to eat to balance off the insulin. Obvioulsy you'd have been better off with a smaller dose of insulin but you get into a routine and will stick with it over doing a lot of checking of your sugar, and meal planning and whatnot.

While not impossible, it would be very hard for me to fast, take on any diets, or whatever without doctor consultations and a lot of work involving monitoring and so on.

Self mutilation has ties with the myth of the slain and resurrected king, of which Christ is but one example of many. In times past in certain places it was the kings duty to ritually sacrifice himself for the renewal of the world. Smarter kings got proxies or better yet used captured enemies and so forth.

One of the more interesting ones is when Set slays Osiris and scatters the pieces of his body around Egypt, and his wife has to find the pieces, put him back together, and then has sex with him to revivie him. She later gives birth to the baby Horus.

For anyone with an interest in comparitive religious studies I would advise Campbells "Masks of God" series. It'll put the whack on you - at least as far as your place in "the masses' - but I found it worth it.

Will

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[info]dawntreader90
2003-08-01 10:50 am UTC (link)
i'm sure you already know that fasting is very cleansing and a mentally healthy thing to do. many religions use it as part of celebrations and rituals.

but, make too much a habit out of it and it is one of the single-most UNhealthy addictions you can develop both mentally and physically.

just be careful 'sall i'm sayin'.

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[info]theferrett
2003-08-04 07:22 am UTC (link)
Heh.

Believe me, I love eating food way too much to become any form of anorexic. There are days I wish I could, but I love food.

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[info]gentlemaitresse
2004-02-05 08:39 pm UTC (link)
No, it sounds more similar to bulemia than anorexia. In moderation, however, fasting can be healthy. It's when one fasts then binges, and repeats this obsessively, that it becomes a problem.

Just don't binge and don't be obsessive, k? :-)

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[info]wynterknight
2003-08-01 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Whoa--not for me. If I don't eat every 4 hours or so, I literally get sick--my stomach hurts, I get migraines, and I tend to pass out. Of course, I've got weird blood and a hyper metabolism, so the only weight problems I have are trying to gain weight.

I read something a little while back saying that scientists had found that fasting helps you lose weight more than simple diets do, so you might've stumbled on to something big, all by yourself!

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[info]scathedobsidian
2003-11-17 08:22 am UTC (link)
You're hypoglycemic?

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[info]wynterknight
2003-11-17 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Um. Not officially, meaning I haven't ever actually been diagnosed as such, what with my never going to the doctor and all. However, friends who are hypoglycaemic have told me I seem to be. The only thing is, it comes and goes in phases--like now, I haven't had any weird blood-sugar issues for a month or so, but sometimes I'll go for a few months where I'm passing out every afternoon when I get home from work. So I dunno... does it work like that?

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[info]genericrick
2003-08-01 12:57 pm UTC (link)
I tried fasting a few years ago. While true, it is a very freeing thing, the promise of weight loss makes the concept more appealing than it should be. Personally, my bout of fasting left a nice legacy for itself in my sudden hypoglycemia. Typically, I only eat a given amount of calories equal to that which would sustain me if I were in a coma. :P However, the ephemeral black-outs I get now and then are a pleasant little reminder to not become too addicted to fasting again.

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it's okay to freak out as long as you freak back in
[info]queenseye
2003-08-01 12:58 pm UTC (link)
wow, two soul-baring sessions and now a soul-baring post. this is an interesting side of you...

fasting seems like one method of hitting bottom, of forcing one's self to come to that point of asking "who am i?" sit alone in a room with blank walls and don't eat and be alone with yourself, really just your *self* - no distractions, no brain filler, no tummy filler. and people do other things like isolate themselves or go to live alone in cabins in the woods, or join monasteries or shave their heads. i think every person who tries to live an examined life freaks out in this way every so often.

to really find ourselves, we take ourselves out of context. context being our clothes, our lovers, our food, our music, our tvs and everything. and when we take ourselves out the context of our immediate surroundings, & how we were raised, and whether or not we were unpopular in high school, and all our little opinions and the little opinions of those who know us (most of this is arbitrary anyway) we can begin to see ourselves a little, and we can see things in other than black and white. are you a good person or a bad person? you're neither and both. when we try to make things simple, we only make ourselves simple.

anyway, this was good to read. glad you posted it.

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[info]_diane
2003-08-01 01:36 pm UTC (link)
I know exactly what you mean. I used to do it a lot a couple of years ago, but for me it wasn't the control that got me hooked. Sure, the control was nice, but I was in it for the weight loss.

I went for four days on black coffe and water alone, and that was the longest I've ever fasted.

I miss the feeling of having nothing in my stomach.

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I have to admit
[info]ellisera
2003-11-09 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Much the same happened to me about half a year ago. One day I went through the whole day without feeling hunger, and by the time I realised it I noticed what a wonderful, free feeling it was. The fasting went on for two more days, with a bit of diet soda intake here, and a bit of coffee intake there, though my main intake was water. I've fasted whenever I have felt the need since then, and though it isn't often (maybe once or twice a month), it's definetly a wonderful experience.

Cheers,
~Cam

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[info]batshua
2004-04-23 01:24 am UTC (link)
Okay, so, question.

As a newb who is often on medication, how many consecutive days should I fast, and how often? And are we talking, no food AND no water, or just no food?

You think if I had a little water daily and a cracker or some fruit to go with my meds this would defeat the purpose?

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[info]boho
2004-07-03 01:11 pm UTC (link)
Stumbled here from link to link to randomoscity around LJ the way things often happen, but you never quite realise about.

I don't know whether I am glad or not I read this post. I know exactly how you feel. I know the freedom. I know how you become the faster and not the old fat you. I have had eating disorders of various kinds for years. I know exactly how you feel...

In fact. I miss this feeling so incredibly much. I wake up regretting having ever stopped. I feel so out of control when I don't fast. Fast. Not starve. Starve is a bad word. This is more than starving, yes?

Anyway. I just thought I'd comment. I've been browsing through your memories and I love the way you write.

Have you ever read Wasted: coming back from a painful addiction to starvation by Marya Hornbacher?

<3

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planet hollywood calling let's all hug santa!
[info]sirah_fires
2004-12-21 02:10 am UTC (link)
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Sirah:
Taz from LJ : i can not image what that's like.. i get things like that in dreams sometimes but they are far and few between
Sirah: I jsut prayed really hard for god to love me & welll, tough love is nice too!

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[info]xtommyxgunnx
2005-04-16 11:00 pm UTC (link)
Dude, periods of 'fasting' for non-spiritual reasons; in many cases to gain control and of course to lose weight IS anorexia. Welcome to existence as the elusive anorexic male. There really aren't a lot of us.

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-08 08:23 pm UTC (link)
I know this reply comes extremely late, but I've only just come across your journal, and this was an entry I really felt the need to reply to.

It's funny when people say they could never be anorexic, because they love food so much. It's funny, because I am anorexic, and I love food, too. I'm quite sure the same goes for almost any anorexic out there. And I started out just the way you're doing now, and I know I'm not alone in that either. What you're doing is dangerous, but it's none of my business.

What is my business is the fact that you're putting it on your LJ. This content comes without warning, though it is triggering and causing of ED. Your own health is your business, and it would be most hypocritical of me to condemn your eating habits. But you cannot talk about fasting in even a remotely positive light. There are always going to be teenage girls looking for an easy way to lose weight.

Maybe you won't take this seriously, because you say you belong to the sort of people who wish they could be anorexic. Perhaps you'd care to trade places with me? Because I would give anything not to have this anymore. If you hate yourself that much, just shoot yourself. It's faster and less painful.

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colligocarus
2005-08-24 05:24 pm UTC (link)
Here's a thought : mind your own head. As a person who suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, amongst other issues, there is a thing that I've learned about triggers. You need to mind your own head, because other people can't, won't, and shouldn't be expected to. Sure, you can expect people that know you not to tapdance on your triggers, but you can't expect to never watch a television show, read a book, watch a film, or read a livejournal that triggers you. Only you can keep you safe in the long run, and only you can stop yourself from the behavior that goes along with your anorexia. As to steering others toward a bad course, the mass media, their friends, their relatives, and most of western society does that on a daily basis. They still have a choice, and millions of people every day make the choice to be healthy, and to do things that keep them healthy. So stop whining, and mind your own head. Thanx.

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