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December 18th, 2005
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King Kong's Frickin' Huge

I'm a total sucker for "The Making Of" books that accompany any big movie, so of course I picked up The Making of King Kong.

It's kind of frightening.

One of the best books I ever read on the film industry was Joe Queenan's The Unkindest Cut: How A Hatchet-Man Critic Made His Own $7,000 Movie And Put It All On His Credit Card. Irritated by Robert Rodriguez's repeated (and false*) claim to have made El Mariachi for $7,000, Queenan vowed to make his own movie for $6,998.

It was his White Whale.

If you've ever looked at the budget for a film and wondered, "How the hell did they spend $20 million on that?" The Unkindest Cut answers it for you in excruciating detail, showing you how a very stingy man eventually wound up pouring $67,000 of his own money into a movie that was shown only once.

Making even the cheapest movie is like getting nibbled to death by ducks, if you ever want the faintest hope of getting it shown at Sundance. Sure, the actors will work for free, but you still need to re-record their lines in a studio if you don't want a film with car horns in the background. And you need to purchase expensive film. And rent lighting equipment. And you'll want to spend a few bucks for some cheap special effects, of course. You'll need permits for location shooting, if you're not just going to try to sneak in a shoot whenever, and don't forget the time and effort involved in getting these ten or so people together for free, on the same day, with the same script. And, yes, catering, since people will act for free but dammit, they expect at least donuts.

Oh, and retakes. Don't forget you'll have to shoot some scenes twice! (Three times? Forget it, we can't afford the celluloid!)

Joe Queenan tried to make the cheapest movie he could find, and still he wound up remortgaging his home to make… Well, nothing. It wasn't even a good film. Yet every time he turned around, there was just one more expense that, once paid, would change this film from "total crap" to "long-shot Cannes material."

The era of digital cameras helps with this somewhat, of course — but Unkindest Cut was a sobering look at how much it takes to make a crappy, unwatchable film, let alone a film that people would want to see.

The Making of King Kong, however, shows the other side.

King Kong cost a massive $207 million dollars to make — no, you read that right, $207 million — and even by Hollywood standards, that's a lot of money. If you're an average person, that's more than you and your entire group of friends will earn in your lifetime. Including that guy who's sort of creepy, but nobody has the heart not to invite him.

The book presents it all as a triumph, of course, but what got me was the tin cans. Peter Jackson lovingly recreated 1930s New York down to the most scrupulous detail, sparing no expense to replicate the true Depression-era NYC. "Every shop window has actual merchandise," they gush. "We made several tin cans, and then the art department created labels for each can. It was nothing but gluing cans around here for weeks!"

I've seen the movie.

I don't even remember any cans in it.

Likewise, you'll hear about the state-of-the-art steam making machine that hissed steam up from under manholes at a cost of several hundred thousand dollars, and the time and expense involved in finding the original plans for the Curtiss Helldiver biplanes (which weren't in the Smithsonian, and had to be procured "at great expense" from the American National Archives), and the eight set-dressers who worked for the better part of a year doing nothing but putting up lampposts and shop awnings….

…And we're not even at Skull Island yet. And all I can wonder is, how much money got spent to build a set that I remember largely as a diner, a theater, and a gigantic ape smashing a wall?

If I were a producer and my budget was on the line, I'd be having a talk with Mister Jackson. "Look. Pete," I'd say carefully. "I'm sure it'll be a great movie. But if I spend $150,000 on tin cans that don't even get shown in close-up, is that going to make the money an extra $150,000 at the box office?"

I loved the attention to detail in Lord of the Rings, which needed the hyper-attention to create a fantasy world wholesale. But this is New York, which we all know at least from other movies… And it's big overkill. You're spending incoherent amounts of money on things that nobody will notice, or even pay attention to. The camera's not even on these hundred-grand cans long enough to register subliminally.

They'll spend hours looking at the walls in Return of the King because that's a world they've never seen before. But this is a city from a generation or two ago. It's not nearly as eye-catching.

I'll get through the rest of the book, of course, but now I don't wonder why $207 million was spent. What I wonder is whether the movie would have been one whit less visually impressive for $190 million. And where that sweet spot that lays between "lavish overkill that looks gorgeous at bank-raping expense" and "cheap fake set" lies.

* - The movie was in fact shot for $7,000, but there was another $30,000 or so spent to re-record the dialogue, which was so faint and scratchy that the movie couldn't be shown in a movie theater.

(Tell me I'm full of it)

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From:[info]tormentedartist
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:31 pm (UTC)
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Do you know how Robert Rodriguez got the 30 grand ? And how did you find out the truth ?
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From:[info]robyn_ma
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:47 pm (UTC)
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I believe Columbia footed the bill for the sound mix. Rodriguez has always owned up to the fact that he only made El Mariachi as a calling card and, possibly, to sell to the Mexican video market. He totally didn't expect a major studio to want to show the film as is (well, except for the sound cleanup). He just took the film (on tape) around Hollywood for shits and giggles, figuring maybe someone might like it enough to give him a job or something. The whole 'made a film for $7,000' story, while technically true, was something the press ran with. Joe Queenan is something of a whiny bitch for dissing Rodriguez. Maybe he just couldn't stretch a dollar the way Rodriguez could. Rodriguez' book Rebel Without a Clue is a good account of all the on-the-cheap tricks he used, which serve him well to this day (Sin City was a $40 million movie that looks like it cost twice that).
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From:[info]robyn_ma
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:56 pm (UTC)
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Oh, Columbia also paid for the transfer to an actual film negative, working (I believe) from Rodriguez' master videotape. They basically paid for post-production stuff. It is true that if not for everyone's sudden interest in El Mariachi (Rodriguez at one point was juggling offers from several studios) it would've been a scratchily-recorded direct-to-Mexican-video flick. Of course, part of the story behind the movie was also that Rodriguez got the money by being a medical lab rat for a month, and the entertainment press just adored that angle.
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From:[info]jessikast
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:49 pm (UTC)
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Okay, this isn't really in reply to your post, but I just want to squee a bit about the fact that I got a copy of The Making of King Kong signed during the weekend by Richard Taylor and some of the other guys from Weta. They came into the bookstore I work at to do signing of Kong books (and whichever LotR and Narnia books people wanted), and they were wonderful - very generous with their time, and quite happy to launch into enthused speeches in reply to any question. :-)

The only problem is, I now own a making-of, but I havn't been to see the movie yet...
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From:[info]zoethe
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:03 pm (UTC)
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I am 10 kinds of jealous! I would love to meet Richard Taylor. Probably more than any of the actors, if I could choose only one person to meet.
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From:[info]jeffpalmatier
Date:December 18th, 2005 07:57 pm (UTC)

King Kong's Dong is Frickin' Huge

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I have seen the movie yet, so let me ask you: did they show "it"?
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From:[info]the_red_shoes
Date:December 18th, 2005 08:10 pm (UTC)
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Actually, the only reason I saw Titanic was I read James Cameron had gone totally whack by including things like the White Star Line logo on the backs of the dinner plates, which noone would ever see. It's the same principle as when Woody Allen had an actress in Radio Days wear an old-fashioned rubber girdle with stockings and garters, even tho the camera/audience would ever see it -- the point isn't whether or not the casual moviegoer notices the Depression-era can labels, but how much attention the artist wants to pay to the details in making a complete aesthetic work. ("The devil/God is in the details," &c.)
From:[info]artname
Date:December 18th, 2005 08:30 pm (UTC)
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If I were a producer and my budget was on the line, I'd be having a talk with Mister Jackson. "Look. Pete," I'd say carefully. "I'm sure it'll be a great movie. But if I spend $150,000 on tin cans that don't even get shown in close-up, is that going to make the money an extra $150,000 at the box office?"

I seem to recall an essay about being Steven King's editor someone around here wrote. Maybe you should read that and you'd understand why nobody says "no" to Jackson, Cameron, or Allen.
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From:[info]whetherwoman
Date:December 18th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
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I think the ability to find that sweet spot is called "taste" and no one has quite figured out how to get it if you don't have it.
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From:[info]lubedpumpkin
Date:December 18th, 2005 09:11 pm (UTC)
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*Some* stickler for details would notice the cans if they were wrong, heh.
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From:[info]miripanda
Date:December 18th, 2005 10:09 pm (UTC)
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Didja ever see the film "All About Eve"? There was a great "Behind "All About Eve": The story of the bitchiest film ever made" that talked about all the censorship that the screenwriter/director had to deal with -- they wouldn't even let them show the toilet in Bette Davis' bathroom.

Awesome movie, though I did start to wonder how they "went"....
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From:[info]bluegreen17
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:08 pm (UTC)
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good point.

but hey,think of all the cash flushed into the economy! isn't that a good thing?
From:[info]sclerotic_rings
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:22 pm (UTC)
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Back when Oliver Stone was throwing tantrums in Dallas during the filming of JFK damn near every day (you have to remember that not only did he demand that he be allowed to shoot from the Sixth Floor of the Texas School Book Depository, which was and is a museum, but he also demanded to use exhibits from the Sixth Floor Museum as props with no promise of compensation if they were damaged, stolen, or destroyed) and then screaming that he was going to relocate filming to New Orleans if the Dallas City Council didn't put on the bunny suit, grease up the six-foot sandstone strap-on with habanero juice, and scream "Come and get it like a big funky sex machine!", one news item got remarkably little response. In Stone's case, his production company stiffed a local car restoration company for money spent on redoing a 1951 pickup featured in the film. Said original pickup had hail damage, and Stone refused to pay because the hail dents weren't in the exact places where they were on the sole surviving photo of said pickup. Mind you, the pickup was featured for literally two seconds in the final film, but Stone threatened to relocate to New Orleans if he were pushed into paying for the restoration job (apprently, one of the hail dents was off by about an inch), and so far as I know, the restoration company was not paid for its work.

(Sorry: I spent a horrible amount of time covering Stone's tantrums for Film Threat back in 1991, only to have Chris Gore tell me "Well, if we run this story, we might get into trouble, but if you write a 'letter to the editor' about it, we'll print that", with him sitting on the story long enough that I missed out on a definite sale to Spy. Yeah, I'm still a little bit cranky about Stone, as you can tell...)
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From:[info]lupinlover
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:30 pm (UTC)
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So what exactly is meant by "white whale"? I believe it's in reference to Moby Dick and I have a vague idea, but I don't know for sure.
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From:[info]pandashrugged
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:32 pm (UTC)
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Great post! Thanks. So I am thinking... We talk a lot about a book or movie recreating time & place and how it is wonderful when they do a good job. But we are often unable to pinpoint much of the detail in this regard. Is it possible that we do notice these things, but only register them as a feeling of 1930's NY even though we didn't register the cans?

That said, I did not think the time and space were captured particularly well in this one. I think it had to do with the dialog. It just wasn't 1930's dialog, especially not Jack Black's part. Once again, can't point to detail but I felt "reminded" by the set of the era - but didn't stay in it.

So overkill is right in the end...
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From:[info]nakedcelt
Date:December 18th, 2005 11:38 pm (UTC)
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It's like [info]bluegreen17 says: think of all the cash flushed into the economy. Since LOTR, New Zealand has implemented a system where movie-makers get tax breaks if they employ local talent — actors, set designers, whatever. That expense isn't going nowhere, it's coming to my country, damnit.

Secondly, just because those tin cans don't appear in any close-up in the finished film doesn't mean they weren't going to. For LOTR they spent over 24 hours filming an Uruk-hai birth sequence that, in the end, got cut for the running time.

Peter Jackson's guiding principle works elsewhere, too: if you want to make really, really good shows, you've got to be an unreasonable perfectionist. It just doesn't happen otherwise.
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From:[info]windtear
Date:December 19th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC)
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This is where you have the proof that Peter Jackson was trained in Australian/New Zealand TV/cinema.

Because over here, that level of detail is expected. You do not skimp on it. Maybe only the nitpickers will see it (and you can bet your bottom dollar that they will see it) but if word gets around that you didn't do it, well. You're shoddy. You skimped. You cut corners. You're a poor craftsman. And, well, who wants to work with someone like that, where you're putting in your best but they're clearly not?

Needless to say, nobody in Australia or New Zealand has a very high opinion of any American modern historical movies. Because there's always a detail wrong. In Australia, you're just not allowed to get away with it. But America... oh, America. What can you expect from America?

And they wonder why we are so angry that the Americans want the Free Trade Agreement to include a lowering of the percentage of Australian labour in the content of the film industry. Because we can't do much about the rubbish you guys make, but we can make sure that, if we produce garbage, at least it's garbage with decent production values.
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From:[info]nicked_metal
Date:December 19th, 2005 01:07 am (UTC)
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If I were a producer and my budget was on the line, I'd be having a talk with Mister Jackson. "Look. Pete," I'd say carefully. "I'm sure it'll be a great movie. But if I spend $150,000 on tin cans that don't even get shown in close-up, is that going to make the money an extra $150,000 at the box office?"

That's the job of a producer. And the job of the director is to say (assuming it be true) "We can afford it, and I want to get as much of this movie as right as possible. Besides, what if the explosion we have rigged up sends one of the cans flying through the air and has it hit the camera? It'll be a great shot - if the can is a 1920s can."

In other words, the job of the director is to get the movie as right and good as possible within the budget. It's not Jackson's job to skimp on the cans, it's the producer's job to skimp on things - if they actually need to be skimped on.
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From:[info]radven
Date:December 19th, 2005 05:47 am (UTC)

Kong was a disappointment....

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My dad's comment summed it up: "You can't put ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag."

My review a criticism: http://www.livejournal.com/users/radven/34215.html
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From:[info]montykins
Date:December 19th, 2005 07:18 am (UTC)
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Since I read this before seeing it, I naturally spent all the New York scenes scouring the backgrounds for cans. They're in the diner scene, stacked up above eye level.
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From:[info]pabsungenis
Date:December 19th, 2005 01:57 pm (UTC)
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Someone else above mentioned Titanic above as another example of senseless detail. One thing that always lifted me out of that movie, and destroyed my suspension of disbelief, was that James Cameron went through all that excrementing detail for accuracy's sake, then had David Warner hand his thugs two $20.00 bills that wouldn't be printed until two years after the boat sank.

But the real reason I'm replying, the big joke of it all, is that King Kong has just destroyed Peter Jackson's career. Kong came in well below projections; it was expected to make anywhere from $70-75 million its opening weekend, and it only pulled $50 Million.

Still a lot of money, but not what the studio or industry were expecting. As a result, financially, he ended up not remaking King Kong, but Heaven's Gate or Waterworld.
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From:[info]ersatzinsomnia
Date:December 19th, 2005 06:22 pm (UTC)
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The interesting thing to me is that by making it so completely and utterly period-complete, it's actually lowered the interest of a lot of cinephiles. Sure, it's more totally impressive the first time through, but a lot of people love going through and spotting the little screw-ups in the background. We've all seen the stormtrooper who cracks his head on the doorway or the boom-mikes that drift into Dr. Who episodes. Somehow that's more endearing than total perfection.
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From:[info]astorae
Date:December 20th, 2005 01:50 am (UTC)

O_o

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How much was Kevin Smith's Clerks?
From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 21st, 2005 01:58 pm (UTC)

typo

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"But if I spend $150,000 on tin cans that don't even get shown in close-up, is that going to make the money an extra $150,000 at the box office?"
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From:[info]lots42
Date:December 31st, 2005 12:56 am (UTC)
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I read something about a lingerie shop in a Judge Dredd scene got it's goodies swiped by employees over the course of some shooting.

Apparently someone went to great expense to put up frilly underthings so Judge Dredd and that SNL guy could zoom by on a speeder bike.

I paid attention to that point in the movie. You blink and youd've missed it.

My brain has a theory that half the movies produced today are a way for the mob to launder cash.
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