The Ferrett ([info]theferrett) wrote,
@ 2002-10-08 16:59:00
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Thoughts On Paxil

So it occurred to me the other day that I've been off Paxil for almost a month now.

It wasn't a major decision by any means - I've seen far too many people do the Medication Cliffdive. You know the one: I'm feeling tons better, and I'm actually happy for once in my life! This feeling has nothing to do with the medication!

A week later, you find them cutting slits in their arms and inserting cockroach eggs into them, muttering, "But my babies will live...."

No, for me it was a simple financial decision: Paxil costs $125 per refill, I had just dumped $700 on art and sundries at the usuam summer conventions, and Gini had just lost her job. I didn't really have a whole lot of money to spare, so I decided to drop it and go as long as I could without it, just to see what happened. If I started to feel jittery, I'd leap back on that puppy; after all, Paxil saved my marriage.

But time's slipped by quietly, like a smooth-flowing river, and here we are: I'm done. I don't think I need it anymore.

Makes me wonder about the rest of the world.

Now, I have a marked aversion to psychotropes anyway, mainly because my family is a big bunch of drug abusers; my grandfather was an alcoholic, my dad has thought that psychotropic drugs would save his life and his marriage (and scroll down to see how that experiment worked), my uncle is probably addicted to prescription drugs - but let's be fair, the man is not only a hemophiliac, but is HIV-positive, has quite literally crippling arthritis, and just got diagnosed with yet another disease, so if anyone has a right to be addicted, it's my fucking uncle Tommy, okay?

But my mom? Addicted to Valium through the 1970s and early '80s? Uh uh.

So as we can see, I grew up in a family that more or less shrieked, "If a doctor gives it to you, it's all right!" So naturally, I was skittish.

I knew without actually being able to verbalize it that my entire genetic structure was engineered towards self-destruction, so I stayed away from the hard drugs: Cocaine, heroin, anything else I was offered. "Cocaine?" I said, in that "ha ha, only serious" tone of voice. "Have you seen how many comics I buy a week? Shit, if I did cocaine, I'd be breaking into houses tonight to feed my addiction!"

My friends, helpfully, did these things in other rooms, knowing that I didn't exactly disapprove, but I didn't want to see them, either. God bless 'em.

I didn't frown on happy pills, though; I've always thought that some people have brain chemistry that's just out of whack, and I certainly wouldn't punish them for being handicapped. But me? I'm sensitive. The first time I tried Prozac, I wound up clawing at my own eyes, unable to form the words that I wanted to say - and we're not talking "antidisetablishmentarianism," we're talking your standard words like "familiar" and "content." I could feel the concepts intensely, but there was a blanketlike barrier interposed between what it was and the word that unlocked it for other people; it was like having a word on the tip of your tongue all the time.

As a result, after a single day I fell to the ground, kicking out and screaming, "I can't think it! This drug won't let me think! I can't thiiiiiinnkk!"

Did I mention this was at the front of a movie theater line? The people that night got two shows.

The doctor said that it was ridiculous, that Prozac didn't have those kinds of effects... But years later, when researching the Kind Of Drug That I Wanted To Be On, I discovered a bulletin board with at least ten or fifteen similar experiences. I think the term is "aphasia," and it's fairly common... Although I can't remember whether what the exact word is, which is pretty fucking ironic when you think about it.

But ten years rolled by, and suddenly I was both married and more desperate than I had ever been: My wife was about to leave me, and somewhere deep down I knew that. But the problem was that I was like a canary in fifteen coal mines, keeling over dead at threats both imagined and real; we were both being childish, but I couldn't play the grownup long enough to draw a distinction between "That's acceptable, if worrisome, behavior" and "That is right out."

I needed something to calm down and establish authority. Some kind of tool.

And Paxil was it.

I was on the lowest possible dose - since I was worried about aphasia again, and forgetting words would kill my nascent writing career - but it helped. It didn't prevent the bad thoughts entirely; it simply allowed me to stay calm enough to realize, "This is an irrational thought, Ferrett"... At which point I could beat it back into submission. I was still anxious a lot, but the reverberating thoughts - where I'd have one mildly distresing thought that would just keep repeating in my brain all the time, like an echo that got louder, until eventually an incredibly distant and remote possibility became such a stone-cold certainty that Gini would have to waste fifteen minutes of her time reassuring me that it wasn't true, hating me all the while - stopped.

I took the time to repair our relationship. Suddenly, I had authority; now that I wasn't jumping at shadows any more, I could say, "That's really unacceptable. Stop that." And now Gini had to listen.

(And as a side note, the brilliant thing about Gini is that she listens. I've dated many women who, when confronted with absolute and unassailable proof that their attitude is not only wrong but terribly unfair to everyone around them, will deny it. They may nod their heads... But the next day, they'll be doing the same thing.

(It may take eight hours to get it through, but Gini will eventually see reason... And her eventual calm acceptance of the truth helps me to see her point of view, too.

(There was one night that saved our relationship, where we literally fought from one in the morning until it was time for her to go to work... But when she suddenly crumpled and gave way beneath me, finally admitting that she wasn't being fair and genuinely knowing that to be true, suddenly I saw all the petty little games that I was playing on her. It felt foul, what I was doing, in the light of her absolute contrition. Compared to the magnificence of what she had done, now I felt petty... And in that moment, kneeling next to her in the bathtub as she washed up and watching her face change as she finally understood my point of view, I felt compelled to be more than I had ever been before, and all for her.

(We both transformed each other. That's why I love her. That's why, no matter what happens, I always will. End side note.)

So now it's all over, and I'm off... And aside from more spookiness in the night and the sudden return of my twice-a-day sex drive - hello, boys, I've missed you! - it's pretty much over.

Leading me to wonder about psychotropics to begin with.

So many of my friends are on them, and I honestly think they use them as a crutch; oh, my life is bad and I'm depressed, and these drugs will make it better.

That's fine. For a time.

But I think that psychotropics only last so long before you have to amp up the dosage - they're like conceptual antibiotics - and eventually, you're in a powerslide, with your life going downhill as you struggle frantically for any way to make your life better again.

The way it was that first week on the drug.

My doctor said to me after I went back for my third refill: "Do you really want to be on this for the next forty years?" And my answer was a revulsed no.

But honestly? What I see in most people on these drugs revolts me as well. They get on them, they get the temporary peace of mind... And what they should do is work their ass off during this artificially-stimulated moment of clarity to fix their life.

Deal with the friends that you get too attached to. Trim yourself of the codependent relationships that you're in. Figure out ways to meet people and have a more satisfying real life. Work on your self-esteem, and spend your time doing nothing but setting up little stockpiles of help for yourself - enroll in classes, start dating around and be picky, get some writing done and get it right.

Too many people - most of you, in fact - take the drugs and that's the only thing you work on. That's sick. You need to fucking change that. The drugs don't change your life; you do. Psychotropics shouldn't be an excuse - they're a tool. You use them to find yourself some solid ground... And you build a fucking fortress on that ground. Work on it. Make it stand.

Because if you've been on drugs for two or more years and you still have depressive fits, there is one of two possibilities:

1) Your brain chemistry is eternally fucked, and you are at the absolute mercy of your synapses and the corrosion they pump out.

2) You're fucking up your life in some subtle way, and the drugs have enabled you to continue that lifestyle, acting as a cushion to keep you artificially happy when everything in your life is screaming, This is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong.

One of those answers leads into a spiral of helplesness. The other puts you in a place that you can fix.

The choice is up to you.


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thanks
[info]therocker616
2003-09-23 11:36 am UTC (link)
Lately, I have been visiting a shrink, and since day one they have been trying to get me on medications. I never have tried it, because I agree that they change people sometimes in a bad way. What I am trying to say is thanks for writing this and making me feel confident that I can do this on my own.

you rule ferrett

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[info]maybanana
2003-09-24 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Wow - what a discovery you are. You are putting the things I think into neat coherant sentences.

Celexa saved my marriage. After being on it for over two years I am almost off it. Funnily, it was also the cost of it that gave me the push I needed to come off it.

Being on the drug has taught me things. The hardest part of coming off has been the horrible sick brain feeling I get throughout the day - kind of like the feeling you get when you hit your head but without the pain.

Anyway, I like the way you write, I like the way you think. :-)

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[info]foxyshadis
2004-06-15 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Ow, that's nasty. My girlfriend has been on Paxil for about 4 years now, and only a month ago had a complete breakdown and finally was willing to admit that the Paxil just wasn't working anymore. Her primary withdrawl symptom has been migraines. =\

The sad part is that she's switching to Welbutrin, though. I agree with the post, which has sparked occasional arguments for some time, but in the end it's not my life, I can't force her to give up drugs, and I'm not exactly free of depression without them anyway. All I can do is hope they'll help her while she tries to get back on the highway.

Mrf.

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[info]cosmicbandit
2003-11-30 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I tried a few meds before I went on Paxil. Paxil was the first one that seemed to make a difference. But after a year and half I was having mood crashes and feeling suicidal again. So I quit taking it. I couldn't believe how alive I felt when I went off of the Paxil. I hadn't realized that it had turned me into a living zombie. I did try to see another shrink while I was taking the Paxil because I knew I couldn't take the drug forever, but they always seem to be arrogant assholes who make me feel worse rather than better. I have been working on my issues and am actually making some progress. Who knows, maybe I can be relatively healthy by the time I turn 40.

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[info]alycekat
2003-12-18 06:08 pm UTC (link)
This "It's either #1 or #2!" is called black & white thinking. And a really good place to learn to think that way is in families with addiction problems. Not that you cant learn it elsewhere, of course.

How about the novel concept of a world in shades of gray?

Maybe some folks have fucked up brain chemistry, some folks have fucked up their own lives, and some folks have both problems at once? The real world is more complex than 2 choices, each phrased in such a way that the "right" choice is obvious to all.

"Nuance" is a word I sometimes question if you truly comprehend...

From your writing, it's not obvious. (Something you might want to think about, if you seriously want to get published.) Most people can think up the 2 most obvious answers to a problem all on their own. But a lot of people will pay a writer who can discourse on the murkier aspects of our existence. (Or tell a heart warming tale, which you excell at already.)

If you want to go with either/or choices & pat sound bites, you might want to consider becoming a radio personality, or some such, instead. The beauty of print is that it makes time for more complexity to be explored.

Were you any less angry/judgemental, on paxil? (sorry, but I have to wonder.)

I'm glad your marriage is better (by whatever means). And I hope you never feel the need to take paxil again. Truly.

On the other hand, if you do have a bit of odd brain chemistry percolating about between your ears (and if your life ever becomes so horribly stressful that you notice it), I hope you have the humility to admit the possibility. (Before your marriage or anything else you highly value is hanging in the balance, this time, since you now know of something that might possibly help.)

Actually, you sound like a success story for paxil (which is a drug I normally have little good to say about). The best scenario for an antidepressant (*if* it's going to be used at all, on a person just suffering from situational depression or acute stress) is exactly what you describe - the drug helps someone cope, they do what they need to do, and then they go off of it.

Of course, I'm not sure the drugs should be used for that kind of depression at all. But the trouble is, we currently have no way of distinguishing a life problem causing emotional symptoms versus a chemical imbalance, causing emotional symptoms & other life-bending havoc. So for now, people going thru marital upheaval are given the benefit of the doubt, and it helps some of them, which I guess is a good thing.

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gaiagurl
2004-06-16 07:13 am UTC (link)
oh wow, this is amazing. i just went on lexapro again in the past few weeks. i'd gone on it last fall and then up and quit my therapy in february (had a serious life-crash). and then i wound up pregnant and where my previous problem had been black-dog depressions about every four to five weeks like clockwork, the pregnancy hormones ramped me up the other way--extreme anxiety, plus more irrationality than usual, plus a serious problem with impulse control. as in, i would act like a complete asshole, believing it was the logical path to take, and then i'd come down off whatever-it-was later on and ask myself, "what the FUCK was i thinking???"

so yeah, the meds are necessary for me right now. i don't think i've ever had anxiety that bad and i don't ever want to feel that way again. and the drugs balance everything out enough that i can take a breather and work on other things.

anyway. your entry's over two years old, i know--i just wanted to say that what YOU had to say made utter good sense, and is pretty much where my mind was anyway. motivation to make my life better is still at a premium, but at least i'm thinking about the harder issues now rather than escaping through mood swings.

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PAXIL AND WITHDRAWAL
(Anonymous)
2005-08-13 02:01 am UTC (link)
For the last nine years I have taken Paxil to fight off the depression I lived with most of my life. However, this drug numbs you to almost any emotion-you want to cry but like an on off button your ability to do so shuts down.
About a month ago I decided to stop taking paxil. I went on the gradual reduction plan. Now, four weeks later I am a mess. I continue to lose my balance, get sick to my stomach, and have this bizzar crunching in my head. When I first wake up in the morning I feel fine for about 1 hour or so and then I feel like hell.

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Positively Paxil
(Anonymous)
2005-09-15 02:35 am UTC (link)
Interesting negativity, however, I have quite a positive experience with Paxil. Prior to the Paxil consumption, I would go through episodes of the "dreaded disease" downward spiral.

These would start off simply enough--I'd notice an odd bodily sensation, lump, mole...you name it--then I would start to "check" these symptoms periodically throughout the day. Suddenly I'd realize I'd been checking these "things" a lot...hmm...what could they be? MS? Lyme Disease? CANCER?!?!?! Must go online immediately and research symptoms...hours pass...check, worry, research, cry, ask husband, mother, brother, etc...do you think I could have __________??!?!?!? Hours of talking me down from the ledge so I can step off for a moment only to return more convinced than ever that I'm dying.

Must be time to visit the doctor.

Doctor: "there's nothing wrong with you." He must be inept, or, maybe I forgot to mention something important, did he do the test right? on and on and on...until...oh! what the hell is this spot above my eye? is it skin cancer???

yeah. these were fun. so anyway, they are gone with the paxil. I haven't experienced a "veil" or inability to think, feel, etc. on Paxil the way some of you guys have. I just feel like I have a LOT more time on my hands now that I don't spend all my energy freaking out about dying. Sure, I'll always have OCD tendencies, but I seriously don't care if I'm on Paxil eternally if it means I don't have to go through that crap again. It's been 3 years now...no dosage increases, no wacky fits, and no plastic feelings.

I realize these drugs aren't for everyone, but I think they do have a legitimate use for some. I won't disagree that they are over-prescribed, but I've done the lab with myself, and when I stop taking the pills, the old panic, anxiety, and OCD comes back. I don't know...perhaps I'm just defensive about something that has made such a positive change in my existence.

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Re: Positively Paxil
(Anonymous)
2006-12-23 02:08 pm UTC (link)
if you are taking Paxil, you have genetic problems and should just die...don't have babies and make more people like you please..enough is enough

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Re: Positively Paxil
[info]ba1126
2007-12-07 01:32 am UTC (link)
I'd rather have a person on Paxil procreate than a A-- like you.

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Re: Positively Paxil
[info]fireshaper87
2007-12-07 02:37 am UTC (link)
What the hell is wrong with you?

Do you realise that you are talking about culling the gene pool? That's a mighty drastic take on things, don't you think?

Noone should die just because they have a disease (provided, of course, that it isn't fatal). It's definitely preferable if the disease is not given to others, when preventable (such as with diseases like HIV), but I'm fairly certain that their child would prefer to exist with depression than not at all, especially given that they will have access to most, if not all, of the medication we have, as well as many more.

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[info]mantic_angel
2008-04-26 03:12 am UTC (link)
Thank you for this post.

When I was a kid, I had a seriously fucked up environment, and everyone's answer was drugs. I went on and off them a few times, but I couldn't stand them. When I took them, I could tell that everything was still fucked up, I was just blissfully apathetic about it, and that freaked me the hell out.

I've got a much healthier environment now, and better coping skills. I still have nasty mental flashes, but I'm quite stable.

This is, I do believe, the first time I've ever heard someone validate the choice of not taking drugs.

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Apple Web service falters on eve of iPhone launch
(Anonymous)
2008-07-15 11:24 am UTC (link)
Apple Inc.'s new data synching service got off to a rocky start Thursday, as some users were denied access to their accounts just hours before the next-generation iPhone is slated to go on sale.

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