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@ 2005-10-26 11:09:00
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Why YV is better than VT.


I love Tifa. Don't get me wrong. But Tifa is too motherly and loving. She has all the patience required for a longterm relationship with Vincent, but she doesn't have the steel. Yes, she's got spine. Yes, she's strong. But she's entirely too much silk. It's like cotton candy. It's sweet and awesome and fluffy and wispy and easy to make and comes in bright cool colours, but it will rot your teeth.

Tifa is what Vincent wants (note that I say WHAT he wants, not WHO, because WHO he wants is Lucrecia). She is willing to indulge his angstmuffin tendencies. This is very much the last thing he needs. Tifa would be able to sympathize with him, even empathize, and these ARE good things, but Vincent doesn't really NEED it. Tifa would let Vincent throw little pity parties until it pissed her off so much she exploded. She would effectively END their relationship before it moved past 'empathy' and into 'recovery'. Nobody's going to fix Cloud, but Tifa will go a long way to helping him heal.

There is substantially more wrong with Vincent than there is with Cloud. One could argue that due to his career as a Turk, Vincent entered the coffin as one type of psycho and left as another kind. Even if Vincent were to return to his pre-coffin level of sanity, he would still not be very sane. He just wouldn't be angsting all the time.

And here is where Yuffie comes into play. Yuffie would stop the first pity party Vincent ever tried to throw. She would put a stop to the 'drowning in his sorrow' thing RIGHT. FUCKING. QUICK. She would nip the entire pity party, "I am such a monster" sessions in the bud. Hell, she would stomp the SEED into nonexistence.

Unlike Tifa, Yuffie doesn't sympathize. She understands almost every part of Vincent's predicament EXCEPT for Lucrecia. Yuffie was a thief and a liar, and an almost-traitor to boot. She KNOWS what it means to have a past where you did awful things, she KNOWS what it means to want to be forgiven.

Unlike Vincent, though, Yuffie didn't find herself lacking. She didn't automatically assume "I'm a horrible person and nobody will ever forgive me."

She understands his need to protect himself from his fear of never being forgiven (it is this need which leads him to NOT TRY for forgiveness, which he mentions in AC [you great big LOSER, I can't believe I thought so highly of you!]). She understands him.

But just because she understands him doesn't mean that she's willing to let him pass by his life. She's not going to let him rot in that coffin, she's not going to let him moulder in his grave.

Unlike Tifa, Yuffie isn't polite. Rather than knocking on the coffin's lid, she would wrench it open, screaming, "VINNIE IF YOU'RE IN THIS CREEPY THING I SWEAR TO LEVIATHAN I AM GOING TO USE ALL CREATION ON YOUR BIG GOTH BUTT!"

But she'd do it because she KNOWS he isn't a monster. She KNOWS, with all her heart, that somewhere in that quivering ball of angst is a DAMNED GOOD MAN. He might be a little psychotic, he might have evil demons living in his body, but he's a GOOD MAN, and she knows it. And she's willing and able to take salt and steel wool to that ball of angst and expose the good man.

And that is precisely what Vincent needs.

He needs somebody to believe in him. He needs somebody who can watch him crucify himself and cut him down from that cross. He needs somebody who he can't push away, who he can't ignore, who he can't taint.

He's not going to 'taint' Yuffie. She's stolen, she's lied, she's manipulated, she's betrayed. She's been hung from hundreds of feet in the air. She's faced down Sephiroth. She's beat the bugfuck out of her own kin and laughed about it.

Yuffie needs people. She needs all sorts of people. From the age of twelve, she's raised herself. She needs somebody who is willing to put up with her, who will listen to her, who will help her stay calm. Somebody who will never lie to her, who will never ask her to be anything but what she CAN be.

Funny, how it's Yuffie that most fans hate. Yuffie is selfish. Yuffie is a child. Yuffie is the one that most of AVALANCHE would probably avoid. That hyperactive, obsessively cheerful kleptomaniac NEEDS people around her if she's ever going to learn to socialize, but people avoid her.

And here is where they're such a perfect dichotomy. Vincent needs people to learn how to love (or at least tolerate) himself. Yuffie needs people to learn how to relate to others, she needs people to teach her to become tolerable. Vincent has thousand of screaming fangirls. Yuffie has something like eight(THE FOURSOME OF AWESOMNESS and a few others).

But they're still very much alike. They need people, they need someone to help them heal. Their every action should show others just what they need, but nobody ever gives it to them. People ignore them, cast them aside, fear them, ridicule them.

They have pasts that taint them, pasts wherein they walked on the Wrong side of the moral line. They loved one thing with a love that only death could stop. And, in one case, death did not stop.

But most importantly... at the end of the day, it is the ability to love with a rich and selfless love, a crushing, fierce love, a desperate love, that they share. They feel things deeply. Yuffie loves Wutai with a desperate and beautiful love. She loves it so much that she LOVES IT IN HER BONES.

Can you imagine that kind of love aimed at Vincent? Can you imagine the wonders someone who could love him that much would do for him?

Tifa stayed at Cloud's side, willing to sacrifice the world. But was she willing to sacrifice her love of herself, her soul, her morality? Did she camp out in the woods and steal for him?

It is Yuffie's desperate, stubborn, mule-headed love that Vincent needs. Because even though Yuffie was willing to die for Wutai, she wasn't going to let it just amble on being a disgusting tourist trap. She wants to CHANGE Wutai, she wants to improve it. Yuffie is even now prodding Wutai in the ass, saying "COME ON COME ON COME ON GET OVER IT REBUILD AND MOVE ON COME ON LET'S GET BACK TO THE GLORY".

Can you imagine Tifa kicking Vincent in the back of the head and telling him that if Lucrecia was worth a QUARTER of the suffering Vincent puts himself through in her name, then Lucrecia would want him to live his life?

I certainly can't.



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[info]leviathanmirror
2005-10-26 08:01 pm UTC (link)
EXACTLY! This is just how I feel about them... only YT is still pretty cool. :P

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[info]tainted4life
2005-10-27 03:34 am UTC (link)
Yes, YT is cool. VT is not. *edits edits edits*

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[info]cheloya
2005-10-26 11:16 pm UTC (link)
;_; Your clarity on all this makes me teary.

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[info]xorle
2005-10-27 07:34 am UTC (link)
just wow. VT bad.

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[info]tainted4life
2005-10-27 11:26 am UTC (link)
what do you mean by "wow"? Wow, I'm clear on this; wow, I'm passionate; wow, I'm a geek?

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[info]xorle
2005-10-27 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Wow you've put a lot of thought into that. Its nice to see someone that is passionate about something. You don't see many people like you anymore.

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[info]tainted4life
2005-10-27 11:26 am UTC (link)
But yes. VT bad.

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YT?
(Anonymous)
2005-10-29 12:58 pm UTC (link)
As in Yuffie/Tifa? -doubts it-

But yeah, very very good mini-essay. Sums VY up perfectly. Would you have any Yuffentine fics to reccomend for me? Have you written any? I can never find many decent IC ones...

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Re: YT?
[info]tainted4life
2005-10-29 03:07 pm UTC (link)
I don't support it as a pairing. As a PWP, however, YT makes me very very happy.

As for have I written any.... Dear god HAVE I!

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/92501/
That's my FFNet profile.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~roseflame/

That's Cheloya's profile.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~guardian1/
That's SpiderFlower's profile.

http://www.fanfiction.net/~shinsetsu/
That's Tokoyami's profile.

As for fics I'd reccommend, my own AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES, Spiderflower's THE LION IN THE MEADOW, Cheloya's FAITH AND FEATHER and TALES FROM THE LESS THAN WELL EQUIPPED.

And, uh, who are you, exactly?

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[info]nefertieh
2005-11-28 06:18 am UTC (link)
Wow. I am commenting on the blog of one of the best fanfic authors yet. Oh, the honour! xDvvv AHEM.

Yes, I agree with what you believe about the VT pairing. Tifa is caring, but her life focus is well, Cloud. He /lived/ with her, for two years... /together/. He only ran away because he thought he was gonna die. e_e; Hence, Tifa loves Cloud, cares but is too hesitant to stop her love from drifting away from her, thus can never be with somebody who is already broken and has never had a special bond. And there is really nobody she has such a strong past, other than Cloud.

Yuffie, although often said as "immature" and "uncaring" is actually more than she seems. She does say the occasional, "you okay?" and does understand more than her elders at times. She not only proved herself when she fought with her father, but has also said things like "well, you gotta do it then. You gotta live true to yourself," to Tifa, when she couldn't do what she truely wishes -- to take control of her lovelife. Yuffie is seen in Dirge of Cerberus, stating to Vincent that she has decided to help him, because she was worried when she found him "dead like a corpse." Surely she's not after materia anymore; seeing as she has trusted Cloud with the lot.

If she would go into lengths to steal and cheat her way to materia to restore her home-- just imagine what she would do if she really loved someone. ^^

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[info]tainted4life
2005-11-28 04:06 pm UTC (link)
You flatter me. Really. I'm certainly not the BEST fanfiction author out there. I appreciate the sentiment, though.

I'm glad we agree, but I have a bone to pick on that last point. You're making it sound like she would do MORE for a person she loved than she would for Wutai. I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think she loves Wutai with the same love she would offer her mother, her father, or Vincent. I think she loves Wutai so much that it's practically a person to her, even if it's "just" a city/city-state/nation/region/ethnicity.

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[info]karasukurokiba
2005-12-20 10:23 pm UTC (link)
So true. So. Fucking. True. I loff you, I really do, for the passion and precision with which you did this.

Gawd. VT makes me violently ill in seven different colors. But you've got Teh Yuffentine Logic down to a T just in this. Just - gawd.

...I think I'm gonna cry. Or at least bawl. Yes. I think some bawling is in order.

...*much bawling occurs now*

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[info]yuffsters
2006-01-18 03:48 pm UTC (link)
...Angstmuffin? ^_^;;; Me love long time, anyway. <.<;
*is one of the other four screaming/fainting Yuffie fangirls*

Anyway, you make your point and prove it. Now, if only more people were to see this...

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[info]caithyra
2006-01-22 01:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm at a loss for words. This essay pretty much explains a whole lot of why VY attracts me. (Is that a Seiji/Nasuti avatar I saw in the earlier replies?) Now I'm going to read the two other essays. ^_^

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[info]tainted4life
2006-01-22 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Yes, yes it was.

*loves on Seiji/Nasuti* That was my first fandom, y'know.

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[info]handful
2006-01-28 06:33 am UTC (link)
... you win at life. Seriously.

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[info]tainted4life
2006-01-28 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Thank you.

And, to quote an entirely too-old joke, what up figgy?

(How did you find this, by the way? Was it forums, my profile, or a link from somebody?)

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[info]handful
2006-01-28 04:32 pm UTC (link)
My Yuffie in an RPG pointed me to it. XD

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[info]tainted4life
2006-01-28 07:40 pm UTC (link)
Really? What RPG? And who's your Yuffie?

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[info]handful
2006-01-28 11:33 pm UTC (link)
[info]canonwars. It's cracktacular, but we are playing Yuffie/Vincent. [info]fence is my Yuffie.

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[info]tainted4life
2006-01-29 02:27 am UTC (link)
Yay for Yuffie/Vincent!! Aside from Riot/Merlose (Vagrant Story), Yuffie/Vincent is my OTP. I'll be sure to check it out and read. Yes, I'm one of those scary people who read RPs. I admit it.

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[info]handful
2006-01-29 03:23 am UTC (link)
There's nothing wrong with that! XD I'm in enough of them, but this is the first Yuffintine one. Most of my games seem to go Aurikku. YAY DEAD BOYFRIENDS.

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[info]tainted4life
2006-01-29 03:36 am UTC (link)
Are you a member of The Dead Boyfriend Coalition?

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[info]handful
2006-01-29 08:25 pm UTC (link)
Indeed!

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I agree
[info]mirime_vy
2006-01-31 12:01 pm UTC (link)
I must agree with everything you have written in this. Yuffie and Vincent sooo belong together. I proudly admit I am one of those thousands of Vincent's fans but I am also fan of Yuffie, mainly because I am a lot like her - cheerful to point of annoyance, can piss off anyone, cheeky and willing to sacrifice anything for what I hold dear.

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Re: I agree
(Anonymous)
2006-05-30 12:32 am UTC (link)
me too! i agree and i support the pairing 100%! your essay just made me luv yuffentine more! i luv tifa too but i can't just imagine her with vincent xD.. really can't.. sorry and juz thinking of it ruins the movie for me xD.. she's to inlove with cloud and they belong together..
wooo i hope yuffie gets her own game and she appears older and more kick ass and beautiful than ever.. then have vincent appear as a cameo and he's drooling over her... but too bad he can't have her for some reason.. well not yet anyway.. that happens after the game.. and and.. ok i need to stop babbling... xD

~redlei~

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Amazingness!
[info]tainted_white
2006-07-06 12:53 am UTC (link)
Yaaaaah, you rock! That's a beautiful essay and I wholeheartedly agree.

- everwhite from ff.net

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Transcendent Love
[info]tripleguess
2006-08-29 02:47 am UTC (link)
"But most importantly... at the end of the day, it is the ability to love with a rich and selfless love, a crushing, fierce love, a desperate love, that they share. They feel things deeply. Yuffie loves Wutai with a desperate and beautiful love. She loves it so much that she LOVES IT IN HER BONES.

Can you imagine that kind of love aimed at Vincent? Can you imagine the wonders someone who could love him that much would do for him?"

Whoa, deja vu.

"...the point is that when you do love a thing, its gladness is a reason for loving it, and its sadness a reason for loving it more. All optimistic thoughts about England and all pessimistic thoughts about her are alike reasons for the English patriot. Similarly, optimism and pessimism are alike arguments for the cosmic patriot.

...It is not enough for a man to disapprove of Pimlico: in that case he will merely cut his throat or move to Chelsea. Nor, certainly, is it enough for a man to approve of Pimlico: for then it will remain Pimlico, which would be awful. The only way out of it seems to be for somebody to love Pimlico: to love it with a transcendental tie and without any earthly reason. If there arose a man who loved Pimlico, then Pimlico would rise into ivory towers and golden pinnacles; Pimlico would attire herself as a woman does when she is loved....

...If men loved Pimlico as mothers love children, arbitrarily, because it is theirs, Pimlico in a year or two might be fairer than Florence. Some readers will say that this is a mere fantasy. I answer that this is the actual history of mankind. This, as a fact, is how cities did grow great....

...Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her."

-G. K. Chesterson, "Orthodoxy"

Hope the quote wasn't too long; I trimmed it as much as I could. But the parallels were so strong that it sprang to mind when I read those paragraphs about the quality of Yuffie's love. That's downright eerie.

This is a well-written, thought-provoking essay, and I'm glad I found it again. Thank you for sharing it. I just finished Dirge of Cerberus (okay, my sister played it through, but I was there watching every cutscene and FMV), and to be honest liked it better than anything else in the franchise. Partly because of Yuffie, who along with Vincent is fast becoming my favorite FF7 character.

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tainted4life
2006-08-29 04:17 am UTC (link)
OH. MY. GOD.

You just quoted G. K. Chesterton. I LOVE G. K. Chesterton! *paces and flails*

Hahahaha, no worries about the quote length. You could quote pages and pages of Chesterton, and I wouldn't mind. Seriously. I love that man. That you compared any part of my essay to him has me spazzing and dying deaths of delight over here.

Also! I'm glad you enjoyed the essay. Truth be told, I composed it for a FF.Net forum, and did a better, cleaner essay for [info]ship_manifesto.

So, from your comment, I'm going to assume you're a VY shipper?

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tripleguess
2006-08-29 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Oh, good. G.K.'s explanations tend to be long and rich (but by no means boring).

I'd like to see it happen, yes. I think Yuffie's a staunch friend of Vincent's, and I'd like to see him come out of his self-induced isolation.

My preferences notwithstanding, though, it's hard for me to imagine Vincent just *boing* falling for anyone immediately post-DoC, although he may have finally closed the book on Lucrecia (who is a certifiable moron, but don't tell him I said that). Methinks it'd take some healing time and possibly more maturity on Yuffie's part -- not an impossible proposition; she's got to grow up one of these days.

So, it's hard for me to swallow the sillier "instant love" fanfics, but I've seen a few that do a good job of gradually developing the friendship. One thing I'm sure of is that Vincent is a good person who, even before DoC, was still trying to do what he thought was right, even if he wasn't aware of it. I think Yuffie senses this and hence feels safe around him.

Eh, what was my point... *headscratch* Yes, I do like the shipping, so long as it's done properly. None of that cheap dime novel stuff.

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tainted4life
2006-08-29 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I'd mind her as much if Lucrecia was a moron. Weird-ass DoC-revealed guilt/SEEKRIT-love-for-Vincent aside, Lucrecia gave her consent for Hojo to experiment on her unborn child. Hojo was twisted and insane, but Lucrecia was evidently lucid and rational. And then, thirty years later, she showed up in that cave and told Vincent that the only thing she regretted was that she hadn't been able to hold her baby. I read that and wanted to scream and throw things at my PS-- I was like, "HELLO. REALITY CHECK, HERE. You LET a madman inject an alien space virus into your WOMB, you TOYED WITH a professional psychopath, you indulged an egomaniac's God complex, and you WHINE to THE VERY MAN WHO TRIED TO STOP YOU... about not being able to hold your baby?!"

I honestly wish that Square had just left her as she'd been in FFVII: in love with Hojo and with a horrible syphillitic tumor in the part of her soul that governs her ethics. That wishy-washy "I loved Vincent's father and then he DIED because of ME and now I love Vincent but ZOMG I DON'T DESERVE HIM" just makes me want to throw things. Because let's never, EVER forget that Vincent was a Turk. Shinra paid him to do the company's dirty work without questions or complaints-- even if the Jenova Project hadn't ended in tragedy and ruin and insanity, we can bet that Vincent's boss would have been looking very, very hard at Vincent. So that whole "I don't deserve Vincent" thing just doesn't make any sense: by rights, she'd probably feel that she was BETTER than Vincent. She's intelligent and educated and Researching For The Advancement Of Science And Betterment Of Humanity. He's a corporate hitman.

As for Vincent just randomly falling in love with anybody.... Yeah, I don't see it happening. He has some growing of his own to do, after all. I'd wager he needs to grow about as much as Yuffie does.

Neither Yuffie nor Vincent is perfect. They don't have a storybook fairytale romance, and I don't think they ever could. So no, no instant love affair. They're going to have good times and bad times, and it's going to take them a while to forge a romantic relationship, and about equally long to find any sort of balance. Any relationship between the two of them would have to show them working their ways toward each other.

Their relationship is going to take work. It's going to be hard. He will be an emotard at times, and she will bug the heck out of him sometimes, and they will probably drive each other up the wall. But when things are working, when it's all good and right, their dynamic can be absolutely beautiful.

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tripleguess
2006-08-29 10:11 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I didn't think much of Lucrecia by the end of DoC. Let's see, Yuffie shows up and comes through when her friend is in a pinch. Lucrecia has emotional breakdowns and major denial every time she really needs to keep her head. (Even Vincent comments at one point that she "always believed what she wanted to" or something to that effect.) Yuffie faces the really dangerous stuff without complaint while Lucrecia just "can't" face the consequences of her own actions anymore (and thus becomes helpless to rectify them). At least Yuffie tries.

So Lucrecia's FFVII backstory was significantly different from DoC's? I saw only snatches of FFVII, and that was eight years ago.

lol... emotard... actually, I think Vincent's reaction is fairly normal considering what he's been through. As the saying goes, "An abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal." Not that he hasn't been badly damaged, but he is pulling through, and he still cares about his friends. Even if he pretends not to (a la the Reeve/Cait Sith scene... muahaha). But I'm open to being proven wrong. Especially if it means more good fanfic. (grin)

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tainted4life
2006-08-29 10:27 pm UTC (link)
Working from Compilation (FFVII + AC + BC + DoC) canon, Vincent and Lucrecia really mirror each other. Lucrecia refused to listen to Vincent when he objected and tried to point out the god complexes evident in what they were doing, which was unethical by ANY standard and just ridiculously stupid. Instead, she listened to her (DoC-only) guilt complex and her egomaniac of a boyfriend.

Vincent, after Lucrecia died, blamed himself and crawled into a coffin. Where he "slept". For 25 years. Then Veld woke him up, Vincent bitched and moaned and got right back in the goddamn coffin. Five years later, Cloud and company woke him up. He made with LOTS of emo. And then he CRAWLED BACK INTO THE COFFIN. AGAIN.

What is that, if not a refusal to cope? He didn't WANT to deal with it, so he just sealed himself in a mouldy little box where he would have nightmares for what he intended to be the rest of his life.

To his credit, he DID come running out like a total dork like an hour after Cloud woke him up, in terms of storyline, but still. Throughout FF7, Vincent said either '...' or something wangsty. Eventually, the emo receeded. He started to progress-- able to speak in longer sentences, crack jokes, and socialize. By the time the game ended, Vincent THOUGHT he had come to terms and closed the book.

Evidently, he didn't, because according to AC/DoC, he wandered around and moped in the general vicinity of where Aerith died for two years, showed up in AC to tell Cloud that he'd never tried to forgive himself, and a year later we have DoC!Vincent.

Compared to Vincent and Lucrecia, Yuffie, who has watched her country crumble and stolen and lied and hurt people, who has watched one of the only women (we assume) to care about her die a horrible death, is a lot more emotionally and mentally healthy. Vincent and Lucrecia REFUSE to cope, but Yuffie evidently DOES deal. She's PROBABLY the sanest member of AVALANCHE, aside from Cid.

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tripleguess
2006-08-30 05:59 am UTC (link)
Well, it seems Vincent isn't claustrophobic. Pardon my ignorance -- who was Veld? A fellow Turk...?

So Vincent changed his mind and ran back after Cloud & Co.? Somebody must have mentioned ice cream...

Didn't Yuffie's mother also die... during a battle against Shinra or something like that? So would that make two friends/family members she's lost (not counting Wutai itself, in a sense)?

Thanks for the background fill-ins, I appreciate it. =)

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tainted4life
2006-09-01 02:55 pm UTC (link)
Veld was a Turk, yes, but not while Vincent was active. He and the other Turks featured in Before Crisis cameo'd in Lost Order (the anime companion to AC; it explains just how Zack and Cloud got to Midgar pre-game), but we haven't seen them since. So there's no real way to know exactly what happened to any of them.

As for the ice cream.... I don't know about that, but Hojo showed up in Costa Del Sol at one point. There was this REALLY comic scene where the Turks (I THINK it was the Turks, might have been somebody else) talked to him while he was lying around trying to get a tan. He had a couple of bimbo beach bunnies hanging onto his every word, too. Incontrovertible proof that original canon is more cracked than half the things fans come up with.

The life and death of Yuffie's mother is hotly debated. We have absolutely no canon information on her. Not even BC (which shows that Yuffie has been stealing since she was 11) mentions Yuffiemama. Most fans assume that Yuffiemama died in the Shinra-Wutai War, though it is never explicitly stated that Yuffie's mother is dead. She's simply absent, rather like a lot of Cloud's brain. However, the Shinra-Wutai War evidently destroyed a lot of Wutai itself-- almost certainly property, and the war definitely decimated the Wutaian population. So while she may not have lost her mother specifically in the fight against Shinra (or, possibly, not lost her at all. Yuffiemama may well have been present but beneath everybody's notice, or perhaps on a permanent stay at a relative's house, with a standing invitation for Yuffie to join her if she ever stopped seeing things just like her crazy father), she HAD to have lost SOMETHING. If she was alive or old enough to remember. And THAT'S the sticking point: whether or not Yuffie would be able to remember the war.

Unfortunately for Yuffie fans, nobody has ever been able to pin down the EXACT date of the Wutai War. At one point, Elmyra mentions that she waited something like ten (or possibly fifteen) years for her husband to come back on leave, but he never came. That puts a casualty-heavy operation at about ten years before the game, meaning that Yuffie would have been six. If Shinra had been losing the war at that point, the fastest turnaround would probably have taken a year, putting Yuffie at seven when the war ended.

If Yuffie was seven when the war ended, she very probably saw numerous caretakers and servants die-- or at least leave for a battle and not return. Even if Godo kept her sheltered in the palace, or otherwise isolated from the city itself, there's no way she didn't notice the decrease in population. Those kinds of losses bleed through to everything. If Sephiroth really WAS reasonably smart and started burning crops and killing farmers, then there would have been less and less food with fewer and fewer people to prepare it. If he managed a blockade (probably via air as we haven't actually SEEN Shinra's navy), the effect would be even more pronounced. And hungry little seven year olds notice that kind of thing, even if their parents find ways to write it off. Kids know more than adults expect them to, even if they come up with crazy explanations for what they know.

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Re: Transcendent Love
[info]tripleguess
2006-09-01 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Sure kids do. I remember sensing the strain when my parents were tight on money, as they were for several years when I was younger. They didn't tell me about it; we just picked it up.

Okay, so Yuffie's mother's death is more fanon than anything concrete. Thanks for the clarification, appreciate it. What about Lucrecia? I've read that she died, but then in DoC there's that whole crystal grotto thing.

Hojo... with girls hanging off him? *headscratch* Yeeeah, I try to respect the canon, but after a certain point... (lol).

I actually have seen Last Order. Zack was a very cool character. Guess they killed him off because AC Cloud'd look pretty lame by comparison. *cough*

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[info]ambivalentapple
2008-08-01 02:18 am UTC (link)
*applauds* That was so amazingly perfect! Never has there been a more awesome depiction of the reason Yuffentine is.

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