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Just mulling.

  • Jul. 3rd, 2005 at 8:17 PM
....all seperis' fault.
I remembered saying this when I first came into the fandom (this is from April of 2003):

Lastly, I wish TPTB would realize they have this beautiful, potentially incredible show and they are killing it. Potential, is the word everyone thinks of when they think of "Smallville." They are not living up to it and it makes me irritated. In the way that makes me wish for a dart board so I could use it for target practice on SV producers and writers. While they may never have the OTP I want to see on there, it doesn't negate the fact that there are plenty of other storylines they could be doing to make up for that. It's Future Superman, people. What makes him the Future Greatest Superhero? If they could understand that, I would be a happy, happy fangirl.

And here we are, more than two years later, and I think, wow, if you only knew how this was going to go.

(Thanks to Jenn and Pru for the reassurances that this is actually coherent.)



Lately, I’ve been contemplating a lot of overall fandom thoughts. Smallville’s my first hugely active fandom online (I’ve written elsewhere, but I’d never organized challenges or written recs or well—done anything beyond writing). I will always have a very, very deep sentimental attachment, and not just because I’ve met some people that I’m going to be friends with for a very, very long time, and not just because I’ve learned so much from the experience. I’ll have a deep sentimental attachment because my God, I love these characters. I love what they kind of almost are, but mostly, I’m in love with the idea of what they could have been. (Well. I suppose “might be” is still up for grabs, but wow, I think Al and Miles would have to run off to Tahiti or someone would have to turn back time and make sure Kristin misses her audition. Part of me can’t help but hope, because I’ve always been the optimistic sort, but the other part is screaming that hey, isn’t that the definition of insanity—beating your head against the wall over and over again and expecting a result other than a concussion?) Smallville’s my first true, deep fannish love, and yeah, I don’t think you get over those. I’m not done with Smallville.

But the thing of it is is that I’m finding myself wishing more and more that I could be. It’s not that I want to be done—I still have so much left I want to do—I’ve had challenge ideas I’ve wanted to do for over a year, and have just been waiting for the right time, I have WiPs and stories to finish, I still love talking about the show and discussing scenarios and chatting with people. So what’s changed?

The show itself is a pretty obvious answer, and for me, it’s the actual one. It’s been said before and it’ll no doubt be said again, but this show was never, by traditional standards, “good.” That doesn’t mean I didn’t fall in love with it fiercely, and fast. But what it does mean is that while I never expected anything close to perfection, I expected them to get Certain Things right along the way. I can deal with side trips to China and characters like Jason doing a 180 (or heck, characters like Jason *existing*), or EVEN Lois Lane coming to *Smallville*, so long as they get those other Certain Things right. I expected them to break my heart and I yearned for them to do it, to make the fall of Lex and the rise of Clark something that would last.

I expected them to break my heart because the fall of Lex and the rise of Clark *hurt* in all the classically traditional ways; because here were these two beautiful boys who simply couldn’t get it together enough to remain friends, to not become the best of enemies instead—not because they didn’t love each other, but because things happened along the way that made them view their world in very, very different ways and neither one of them could see where the other was coming from anymore. I didn’t expect them to break my heart because it was *stupid* and ultimately, worthless. Because it was ill-thought out, crappily planned, and thrown into the back-seat of the Fabulous Life of Lana Lang and All The Men Who Must Love Her.

I’m not the sort of person who can go into a fandom if the show/book/media/whatever actually is….bad. I’m not the sort of person who can just turn off the television set or stop reading the books and still manage to be interested in the fandom itself. I need the constant renewal of energy that an active show provides, I need new canon to breathe life into ideas for things to do, for what to write, for what I can encourage others to write. That’s the great part about being part of a fandom with a show that’s still on the air—people are interested in exploring the canon that hasn’t come yet, want to anticipate what might happen on the show and utilize it in their work.

I’m not someone who can watch something like we just watched in Season Four and not get…the wind knocked out of my sails. I *hated* Season Four. I can joke about it, I can poke fun at it, I can try and make light of it all I want (and I do because I honestly don’t see the point in just posting all the time to say, wow what a fucked up mess that was), but I *hated Season Four*. It had bright, stellar moments, but a few drops of nectar does not sustain a fangirl. Thus moving me into the point of this post.

I’ve been contemplating Smallville’s legitimate longevity as a fandom, when all is said and done, when this show is over. The thing of it is is that—I *don’t* think Smallville is a fandom with staying power. This is something I’ve thought long and hard about but—yeah, I will be honestly surprised if two years after the show is gone, there is anything beyond the skeletal remains of a fandom left. Certainly there are fandom resurgences from long-ago aired shows like Due South, and Buffy still enjoys a strong online experience, but there’s a big difference between those shows and Smallville.

Those shows are….good. Smallville has some extensive pretty, but even the pretty cannot withstand another season like the last. What’s extremely fascinating to me is how Smallville seasons seem to somehow get better in our minds as we go along, because the level of quality continually sinks. For instance, oh, God, I just loathed Season Two. I thought it was pathetic, and then somewhere in mid Season Three, it suddenly became interesting and awesome retrospectively, because Season Three was that obnoxious. Then the latter half of Season Three was stronger and I thought Season Three was so much better about six episodes into Season Four.

If you hear me babbling that Season Four was good sometime in say, November, you all have my permission to gently send me e-mails and ask me if I’m okay, ‘cause chances are I should be so bailing if I’m saying that.

So. Things I’ve wanted to address, because I’m curious if any of you have had your own thoughts on these subjects.

I’m in *fandom*; I don’t need no stinkin’ canon.

People say, oh, “I’m in it for the fandom! I don’t need the show to be good because I’m in it for the fandom and the fandom is great.”

Well, the fandom *was* great. The fandom is still pretty neat, but if you look around, you’re seeing strains. Or, actually, gaping holes where People Could Be. But the thing of it is? While it’s nice that maybe you don’t need for the show to be good, most people need canon to give them *something* to work with, if they’re going to continue to be remotely interested in contributing to the fandom. You’re seeing people giving up and getting tired and moving on, because there’s only so much someone can take before the self-preservation ideas kick in and you just have to get out. Interest has to be maintained by the older fans because they’re the ones who wind up attracting the newer fans in deeper than just taking a cursory glance at the fandom itself, and the newer fans are the ones who wind up “replacing” the older fans that burn out/leave/move on, after all. If the older fans aren’t writing, or making other fannish contributions, a fandom is not going to be renewing itself, and that is what I think is happening with Smallville.

At the very least, I think people need for the show to not be quite this bad so that they can take the parts they need to work with and be inspired by them. If you have a show that makes you ache to watch it and you see most everyone around you in the same place, mentally, well—how does that make you want to write? How does that make you want to do anything with it, when you’re fighting this bitterness that they’re doing things that you just can’t get in line with and are egregious enough that you simply cannot ignore them? Of course you’re going to look for something to hold your attention that’s worthy of you.

Smallville isn’t like other fandoms. Okay, ‘duh’, you’re saying, but--

People say fandom “fixes” things. But you see—I don’t think you can really “fix” Smallville. Look at most of the stories that get posted these days—they’re wildly AU or future fic. People aren’t operating within the canon of the series, they aren’t writing about what’s going on now….so how is that “fixing” what’s wrong with Smallville?

As my dear [info]rageprufrock would undoubtedly put it, “Watching Smallville is like getting fucked without lube. Over and over and over again. And then when you think it’s done, and you can maybe roll over and sleep, you get smacked upside the head with a Stone of Power and then they leave you on the ground bleeding.”

Only, she’d put it more eloquently. Possibly. And without the Stone of Power part because I don’t think she believes me when I tell her about S4 and what it contained.

But I digress! Every now and then, well, very often now, I see people saying “Oh, I can’t wait for fandom writers to fix this!”

The thing of it is is that we—can’t. People can’t *fix* this, there’s just too much to fix. You can only shape it to what you want it to be, but you still wouldn’t be operating within the show’s parameters, because quite simply—if you want to have a logical story, you have to ignore the show. And that’s so hard to do, and most other fandoms don’t have that element to contend with. They give you stuff to work with, and honestly—I don’t really see all that much getting incorporated into the fiction any more.

My end point here, perhaps lost in all this is that—other series, you see general fix-it fic, based on the canon, and that can lead to inspiring others to working with that same material and working their own magic. I see future fics, and I see AUs and I don’t see how a show that continually contradicts itself and invalidates most character progression can give people the material they need to legitimately take a look at this series and think they want to do something with it fannishly.

Another thing to throw out there about Smallville is something weird to mull over, but nonetheless, I think quite true. We are not a fandom that really contains that much conflict. We’ve argued over spoilers, cut-tags, a few other things along the way, but especially in the last couple of years, Smallville has been a pretty sedate fandom. A lot of fandoms interest me because they seem to have one-three very vocal people who are very verbal in offering differing opinions, and that helps to initiate discussion and help ideas progress along—this odd sort of competition or something. Conflict within a fandom can lead to projects, or to stories being written if for no other reason than to prove what “Old So-and-So said was *so wrong*.” Smallville doesn’t have that sort of spark to prompt Interesting Things.

All of these factors, rolling into one another, sliding into place alongside each other are what lead me to think of Smallville as a fandom that has most likely seen its glory days, and that we’re looking at the fall of the Empire, so to speak, here.

Effects on the Fangirl and Her Delicate Psyche

Fandom is—a bonding experience. You pick up friends along the way. The ones you really value, the ones you want to keep track of, you inevitably try and pull them into the same sorts of things that interest *you*. This is something I’ve referred to in my own head as the Lazy Susan Principle. Fandom’s like a never-ending lazy susan in many ways. You keep turning the wheel and sometimes you partake in something you never anticipated, just because it’s right by your hand. People want to see to it that their friends conveniently have the “right” thing by your fingertips. (In case you have not noticed, Smallville is not going to get a place back on the Lazy Susan. There is no newness, and the shine factor? So. Gone.)

Okay, all of this is leads to somewhere you probably didn’t anticipate, but whether you want to admit it or not, I bet at least some of you are feeling it.

After this season, I’m finding myself jealous of other fandoms. Right now, I am mostly insanely jealous of SGA. I’m having these irrational moments, as I see person after person on my f-list succumb to this show, to those stories. I’ll tell you something—I entertained thoughts that this could be my Next Big Fandom, because the fic is simply that good, and I always loved SG-1, so I figured SGA watching would go over well with me, and I’d have fun with it.

Now I’m finding myself with a twitching cheek and an urge to smack my desk every time I see someone with an “OMG, love SGA!” post, “Give me recs!” or whatever. I feel like I don’t want to be a part of it just to be *contrary*. I….I *miss* that. I miss people that are genuinely excited and fresh and *fully happy* about their show that is supporting the launch of the Next Big Fandom. I get nostalgic about my early days in the fandom, then I get embittered at what the show has done to that fandom. It gave us the fandom, true, but it also took it away. I get so *angry* and somehow that turns itself on fandoms that are fun and peppy, and why?

Because They Squee Too Much. And that’s insane, I know it, that’s irrational, know that too, that’s *mean*, I get that, but at the same time, I genuinely am getting to just dislike the letters S, G and A together, because I want *my* show to inspire that kind of giddy glee and it’s *not* and I just don’t see it happening again. That makes me so sad.

I don’t feel that happy go-lucky spark in Smallville fandom. I don’t know if it’s because we’re tired or if it’s because we’re old and matronly or if it’s because most of us are just disgusted by a show that’s let us down in so many horrifying ways. I think it’s definitely a combination of all of the three, but I cannot help but think that if the latter were adjusted, if the show were stronger, that many people would still be full of fire and zest even if *we are* old and matronly.

What I want is for my fandom to not be this dejected and dumbstruck about this show.

What I want is for my Fun Crappy Show to become watchable again.

What I want is for them to somehow, by the grace of God, get those Certain Things right, otherwise I’m scared that even though this has been a great fannish experience so far, I’ll never wash that taste out of my mouth and this experience will have a taint that I won’t be able to get away from.

Failing those, I want to be able to at least recover some measure of fannish sanity so that I don’t have the urge to smack people who are (*gasp!*) happy with their active shows/media.

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[info]frelling_tralk wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
Yeah fic wise I've noticed a lot of AU and future fic. Very few stories are actually dealing with clex as they are on the show right now. There's a lot of fics I read and genuinely enjoy but the characters bear little relation to season 4 Clark and Lex. It's mostly writing from the starting point of the season 1 relationship, no matter what season the fic is actually based in.

Face it season 4 clex is horrible and confusing. Season 3 clex was pretty bad (other than Shattered/Asylum). And most slash fic is ignoring that canon relationship because you can't get hoyay and passion from that.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:51 am (UTC) Expand
[info]vibrantharmony wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:38 am (UTC)
Very well put. Being relatively new to the fandom, I hope it lasts!
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:52 am (UTC) Expand
[info]chopchica wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:41 am (UTC)
Aw, hon, I'm so sorry things are like that for you.

I'm using my SV icon just for you!

You should read UL because OMG THE TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!

I have arrived in Boston safe and sound and now I'm thinking about passing out.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:53 am (UTC) Expand
[info]jfc013 wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:48 am (UTC)
Fandoms come and fandoms go. I don't begrudge others their squees at new things, but I agree--I'd rather dye my hair shocking white than watch some of them! (I've just been thinking about a poll on a topic like this, in fact.) I do figure something else will come along when my love for Smallville is gone. However, it ain't going anywhere yet! The show may be dead to me, but it still exists as I WANT it to in my heart!
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:56 am (UTC) Expand
[info]thecaelum wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:49 am (UTC)
*big hugs* Yes. Right there with you.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:56 am (UTC) Expand
[info]sageness wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
I've felt like this for over a year now, which is part of why I embraced DC so much (and refused to watch a single ep of S4). In DC, I can write about an adult Clark totally free of the stupidity of the show. In a totally different way, it's why I embraced Due South, too. DS survived its implosion, has loads of stunningly talented writers, and is still producing new fic. Plus, it's my favorite comfort fic in the world.

I've been working on an old SV AU since last night. I want to wrap it up, post it, and mark it "done", you know? (Then I can get back to DC and finish the Bruce Wayne epic.) I don't know if I have the wherewithal to finish the other big SV WIP, but I kind of want to just because I hate the thought of leaving it hanging.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:58 am (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]sageness - Jul. 9th, 2005 05:18 am (UTC) Expand
[info]mobiusklein wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:07 am (UTC)
I hear ya. I have to write AU, comedy or future!fic because if I used canon, I'd have to have everybody kiss Lana's ass, disrespect Chloe and Clark acting like he has a lobotomy. And that's just stuff I refuse to write. To have a story make sense, I'd have to ignore some of the canon since so much of it contradicts the other parts of canon within the actual show.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 02:59 am (UTC) Expand
[info]aivilo_18 wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:10 am (UTC)
Well, the fandom *was* great. The fandom is still pretty neat, but if you look around, you’re seeing strains. Or, actually, gaping holes where People Could Be. But the thing of it is? While it’s nice that maybe you don’t need for the show to be good, most people need canon to give them *something* to work with, if they’re going to continue to be remotely interested in contributing to the fandom. You’re seeing people giving up and getting tired and moving on, because there’s only so much someone can take before the self-preservation ideas kick in and you just have to get out.

Okay, I'm drawing from my own experience in a different fandom but the message is still pretty relevant. I'm all for fandom-humping but the main reason why I'm losing so much interest in my current fandom is because I feel like the show was *so* much better in the beginning (the first four seasons). And, while I love TWoP and snarkage with a passion, I think the general love and respect for the actual show and how it's being written/acted/directed/etc. has gone out the window and it has sort of lost that "Shiney!New!Fandom!" excitement that originally hooked me in.

Also, the tweeny-boppers that have recently gravitated towards the fandom is taking :headdesking: myself into next week to a whole new level of concussion.

Anyway, long story short? I understand exactly how you feel.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 03:01 am (UTC) Expand
[info]acampbell wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:21 am (UTC)
Many, many good points for me to agree with. I, too, need canon, and can't quit watching the show. I, too, wish desperately I could do something with S4 and current Clex in fanfic...but I'm baffled. S4 paralyzed what Muses I have, and though I've managed to write a little, I've had to go back to season 1 to do so. For someone who likes to stay within canon to write, well...s4...I just have no clue how to use it.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 03:03 am (UTC) Expand
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[info]thepouncer wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:52 am (UTC)
Smallville got me onto LJ, during the mass TWoP exodus of summer 2002. But my interest in first the fanfiction, and then the show itself, has declined steadily since then. It really is bad when S1, in retrospect, was as good as it gets. Because I knew then that there was loads of potential, and it never was achieved. That's depressing. And if it had hurt between Lex and Clark, the way you talk about hurt, I'd still be there loving the show. Instead, I threw in the towel after the S4 finale. Because the entire season (minus Transference and Onyx) was god-awful, and I can't take another one like it. Even for Lex.

But I've always been multifannish - when I was getting into SV, I was still watching Buffy, and then came Firefly, The O.C., Stargate, Atlantis, Battlestar Galactica, and on and on. It must be much, much harder if there's only one show to inspire your fannish activity.
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 03:09 am (UTC) Expand
[info]emrinalexander wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 03:00 am (UTC)
I think the thing for me, is that I may or may not Love Smallville The Show, But I Do love Clark Kent and Lex Luthor, and there are so many avenues to tell stories about them, using the show, using one or more of the DC Universes and so on. They existed long before AlMiles took over the SV project for WB and will be here when AlMiles are a footnote. But I'm able to do this because, for me, canon - no matter what the fandom - has never been anything other than a jumping off point. Watching the subtext on screen is fun, but it was never necessary for the aired series to keep up with it once I had realized it existed. I prefer to fill in the blanks on my own and AUs and future fics are just more ways to do that.

The other thing for me that was unusual about Smallville is that it is airing while I'm in the fandom and writing and reading fic. That's a huge change - my prior fandoms have all been shows that were cancelled and off the air (except maybe in reruns) by the time I got to them: The Professionals, which was ending just as I got into it - a quarter of a century after the series ended, this fandom continues to generate new fans and fic; The Sentinel - I got into the actual online fannish thing during the last season of the show when it and the fandom imploded; left, am now reading in the fandom again and enjoying that hugely. It has been an active and lively fandom for ten years or so, and that's how long the show has been off the air.

I remember thinking during the summer after Season 1 of SV how weird it was to be interested in something that was evolving as I was getting involved in it!
(no subject) - [info]pepperjackcandy - Jul. 4th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC) Expand
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[info]aelora wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 04:01 am (UTC)
I think I really lucked out in my love of het fic and OC's in that from the beginning, Smallville wasn't really about Clex for me, and I could carry it on the way I wanted to. Also, Lex was my biggest factor, and while they have completely destroyed the character they spent three full years creating, I can easily take him in my imagination and know how he would have turned out through seasons four and five. So, I don't really think I need season five to continue to create fannishly. I will probably watch it - kicking and screaming and crying the entire way - just because I *can't* let Lex go. I'm too attached to the man that MR gave to me, and Almiles fucked up in favor of LanaLove.

But, I have my Hudsonverse, and she will carry me far into the future where my SV canon can become DC canon. And now I have my love of the Batverse, thanks to Bale, to add to that as well. Seasons one - three of Smallville (unlike many, season three is actually my favorite season) will always been some of my favorite TV. I will probably always go back and watch them, and I will always feel the need to create things in tribute to them. So I really don't see myself going anywhere. But then, I was also the girl building sites dedicated to SW when most people had forgotten the trilogy existed. *G*

As for SG-1 and SGA... *lesigh* I think that maybe my bitterness toward what has happened to SV has actually been tempered by my new-found love for these shows. It's amazing what good writing and continuity can do for a fandom, you know? I can't begrudge them that, and I really, really want to find my place within their fandoms just so I have others to squee with when SV is over and gone.

But I'm not going anywhere. I can guarantee that. (The Lexson fans would kill me!)
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 04:11 am (UTC) Expand
[info]jadedsilver wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 04:30 am (UTC)
:\ So right there with ya.

I really don't foresee SV Fandom having the staying power to last much longer even *now,* while the show still has a fifth season coming up, because of the suckage that was this past season. XP
(no subject) - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 05:02 am (UTC) Expand
[info]meret wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 06:53 am (UTC)
empathy
I totally understand what you're going through. I felt the same way when I stopped watching the show after asylum, including feeling angry about people who were still excited by it. My show had died and I wanted everyone else to mourn it with me. Of course then I felt guilty about resenting other people's enjoyment. I eventually was able to read the fic again, and be glad that others were still enjoying it even if I couldn't. (In fact, I'm now *extremely* glad I quit watching when I did.)

I think it really is a grieving process over a lost experience in a fandom. I hadn't really thought of it this way before your excellent post, but IMHO it may be like the five stages of grief - Denial, (The show isn't really *that* bad.), Anger, (WTF are they thinking!!!), Bargaining, (As long as they don't do so and so, it'll be okay.), Depression, (I can't beleive how they've ruined this. The entire season was horrible.) Acceptance. (At least I still have the friends I made in SV). I would add another stage - Moving On, (Hey, what's that show about?)

While I lost touch with some people when I quit watching the show, I didn't with others, and now I have a new fandom to squee over (BSG!). :)

I hope you find something to squee over soon too. *hugs*
Re: empathy - [info]svmadelyn - Jul. 9th, 2005 05:04 am (UTC) Expand
[info]ceares wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 07:26 am (UTC)
Because I grew up in love with movies, t.v. and books, fandom has always been a love affair in my head. I basically fall in love with shows, with all the giddy glee of a teen in the throws of her first crush. I dream about them, think about them, and want to see them over and over. Some crushes evolve into a life long love-BTVS, TS, dS, and others fade away-Xfiles. I've even fallen back in love with shows-QAF.

SV is at the point where you know the relationship isn't working, but the residual affection from the beginning where you were all giddy and in love is keeping you in it long after is should be over.

You resent seeing all the newly happy and in love people cause you remember what that felt like and wish you had it again. And you will, but it will just be with another show unfortunately.

The main thing that does let me still enjoy SV fandom is that the future of Lex and Clark is legitimate canon seperate from the show itself, though much of it unwritten.
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[info]frelling_tralk wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 11:03 am (UTC)
Oh also I think SV fandom is already dying sort of. Not to be too negative. But season 1 and season 2 had a much bigger slash fandom and far more fic being produced. There's still occasional newcomers trickling in but it's not exactly as it was.
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[info]swanswan wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 11:20 am (UTC)
Dude, that was one of the best things you've ever written, I mean it. *EXCELLENT* analysis. And I agree with every bloody word.

See, in some ways, you're my fandom barometer. We were newbies at the same time, you beta'ed my first ever story, adn I set a fairly unbroken precedent of volunteering for any and every challenge you've ever hosted. Though we've both got and had closer buds over the fandom years, you're one of my mainstays, and it's rare that I feel out of step with what you're saying.

So reading this was hard. Because I agree with all of it, but I didn't KNOW I agreed with it til I read it. And now, I have to face it. Bleh. For me, what hit home most was your point about fandom writers. I'll be honest here and say that although I've read some *enjoyable* stories in SV recently, nothing out there (with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions) has been actively *inspiring* me - and without that, the fandom is dying. AUs cannot sustain fandom. They cannot. I've never been to the forefront of fandom in writing - I came a year late to the game in SV, and my taste in fic-writing has always been futurefic, rather than mid-season fixits. I did write one, and found it pretty satisfying, actually, but by then the show was mid-season 3, and the appetite for the more challenging stories dealing with messy canon and post-Asylum NON-fixits was really waning. People read fanfic to make themselves happy - it's all comfort fic, really. It's only when you're seriously engaged with the show that you're willing to put yourself through the pain inherent in the more episode-related stuff. Ha - unless you've got an episode that's actually *fun* - wonder when that last happened in SV?

*weeps*

So yeah. Look. The SGA thing? I know what you mean, I really do. But I'm there, I'm in, I am really, really enjoying it, and... I want you to come enjoy it with me. So... think about all this stuff, and keep writing the WIPs, and we know we'll both be here in September watching SV5 through our shaking fingers, but... maybe you could consider becoming a newbie with me again somewhere else? Somewhere very, very far away? Like... in another galaxy, even?... *holds out hand*

*thanks* and *damn you* for making me think about all this, honey. (hug)

God, I feel sad.
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[info]rageprufrock wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)
I said this to you earlier today...uh, yesterday, whatever, but it still stands, it's a good essay, and it's sad, but undeniably true. I'm so sorry that this show is fucking you over, I'm pretty sure at this point MR just drinks himself to sleep every night, has a calendar counting down the days until his contract runs out and he can do a pilot with you and me, who he is secretly in love with. Also, he'll introduce me to Rob Morrow's clone and then we can go to awesome restaurants together on double dates and make out--ooo, star power!
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[info]sabershadowkat wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 01:51 pm (UTC)
While it’s nice that maybe you don’t need for the show to be good, most people need canon to give them *something* to work with, if they’re going to continue to be remotely interested in contributing to the fandom.


That would be me. I know for a fact that I have to finish my S:IP universe before the series ends, because if I don't, the well will dry up. Crappy or not, having episodes every week reminds you of the characters, how they sound, how they act, and their history. Although no one seems to be writing current canon, AUs and Futurefics still need that reminder of base characterization to support the story and, sadly, Smallville Clark and Lex are forgettable, primarily due to s4 and it's total inconsistency.

I am sad that my second shiny fandom is dying. I, too, am reluctant to get my feet wet elsewhere, but more because I know if another shiny gets my attention, Smallville will cease to be before I get the chance to finish everything I wanted to do.
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[info]wrenlet wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:13 pm (UTC)
*HUGS* I'm so, so sorry, sweetie... man, this whole year has just been really Weird, fannish-wise. Maybe... hmmm. See, my first online fandom was Babylon 5, the Marcus Cole Estrogen Brigade. We, errr, got really screwed for the last season of B5 :( But I dunno, we were just a small corner of the fandom so we mostly hung together and griped and wrote fics where Marcus got laid -- a lot -- before he died.

This last year, with QaF weirdness and last-season stuff and Smallville... going so far off the rails, it's like I'm watching a lot of people I care about in the last throes of bad relationships. If that makes any sense.

I'm gonna miss you guys so much this fall.
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[info]elychari wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 02:55 pm (UTC)
i sort of fell into smallville because of a fanfic. so smallville has always been primarily this wonderful world that clex fandom has created and secondarily the show for me. i've all but accepted that the show is deteriorating fast and there's a guilty relief when it ends but it won't hurt as much as when the fandom dies.

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[info]alee_gothphyle wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2005 04:33 pm (UTC)
I think you have summed this up perfectly. You know, it's not just a matter of fic, it's even bleeding over into basic episode commentaries. Last season? I had not one, single, solitary meta-type thought to post about SV, because it was just all so BAD!

It really is a case of using up all my energy trying to make it through the episode; once the credits roll, I'm too exhausted to even contemplate trying to make any sort of meta-sense out of it, or trying to write fic to somehow smoothe over the glaring parts and wholes that need "fixing". *sigh*

The thing is, I want to like SV, and I want to stay active in the fandom, but it's like doing homework now, you know? I feel like I need a fandom