Giuseppe DiGiorgiö ([info]signor_giuseppe) wrote,
@ 2004-05-04 10:56:00
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The Lewises' apostrophe
There's a lot of grumbling out there about apostrophes, not the least of which from Stephen Notley's Bob the Angry Flower. I will be passing over th'elementary ideas in that cartoon, so if my readers want an amusing explanaçionne of the possessive/plural rule of apostrophes, they should read there and then come back to me.

Despite Mr. Flower's phrusteraçionnes, mostly I don't encounter people who use th'apostrophe to pluralize words that end in vowels, as much as words that are unusuälly pluralized. For instance, proper nouns ("Madagascar is as big as one and a half California's") or words that are new to English ("I'll have three latté's and a hot chocolate").

Simililar to the California example above, people tend to like to preserve their names*: My best friend's last name is Lewis and he insists that "The Lewis's aren't home right now," tho perhaps technically incorrect, is th'accepted usage over actually following the rule and adding an e: "The Lewises are out looking for free fill." Synce he's arguïng that it's more common, I took the debate to Google and searched for [with the quotes] "Lewises are" and "Lewis's are". I was a bit disturbed that, at press time, when I searched for the former, it asked "Did you mean: 'Lewis's are'?" Along these lines, Microsoft Word spell-czech suggests Lewis's for Lewises. Still, beyond these hiccoughs, I think I was vindicated: There were 193 results for the "Lewises are," and a mere 103 for the "Lewis's Are." Furthermore, the latter included grammatically sound turns of phrase like "Indeed, the high-end homes such as Mr. Lewis's are the ones likely to have stunning views" while any instance of the spelling Lewises counts as a point for me!

And I don't care how many times I see it, I still say it's technically incorrect to use the s' rule for any but the plural. Some people might write "Chris' gorilla is not yet a silverback" but they're just confusing the rule they once learned. For me, the reason we have the s' is for when one does not pronounce the possessive ending. In conversaçionne, anyöne would say "Chris's [KRISS-uz] gorilla isn't even a male," so it's only in writing that one might doubt his instincts. One does not pronounce the possessive ending if a plural ending has already been added, so that is why just th'apostrophe by itself is needed: "Hobbits' houses have round doors." Only Gollum himself would feel a need t'add two full endings: "Hobbits's [HAH-bit-sez] houses are tricksy and false, just like their owners." It used to be that Jesus and Moses were the classic excepçionne: "Jesus' secretary was late... again."; "Moses' back was killing him." I say let's stop giving these patriärchs any special treatment: unless one is writing about the plural of mose or jesu, one should just stick with the rule.

Not that technically correct is good enough for me. Altho [info]treefox was good enough to take me down a peg that in extreme cases, th'apostrophe can be used to pluralize abbreviäçionnes and numbers, I won't be doïng it myself. It's become more of a stylistic choice, but once I become editor of a periödical, I'll insist its** articles talk about "The '90s" and not "The 90's." [I will also insist we not talk about "The '80s" no matter how it's spelt!] I note that th'editors of the New York Times prefer th'apostrophe-as-plural, but those at the Onion are good olde-fashioned sticklers like me! Good company, if I say so myself.

Finally, even I have t'admit that it's hard to write "There're four a's in Antananarivo" any clearer than that, so I'll try t'overlook such instances, even as I opt for something more along the lines of "There're three as in Tananarive." myself.

*This may be why the French almost never pluralize a last name. My host family in Alsace was les Estival not les Estivals (or les Estivaux... More on this later on down the road). Apparently, in French, one does pluralize the grandes familles when discussing their exploits, but I am not at liberty to release any of those names at this time.

**There's prolly enough rants out there about how it's is not the possessive, but the contraxionne, so I'll spare you... for now...


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[info]bride
2004-05-04 11:39 am UTC (link)
There's prolly enough...

*och* I'm subtracting a few respect points on you for that. =D

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hypocrite? me?
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-05-04 06:06 pm UTC (link)
At some point when I've gotten a few more real entries wrytten, I promise I'll explain why I can creätively spell a handful of words and still be picky about grammar. As of yet, I haven't lectured anyöne on spelling, and doubt I ever would as long as the respelling is not a real word. If it is, and it's one of those their/there/they're or your/you're things... well... that angers me somewhat. Gyven your little emoticon there, I sense that I haven't yet lost all my respect points... phew...

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Re: hypocrite? me?
[info]bride
2004-05-04 09:30 pm UTC (link)
I see the patterns with the creätive spelling, although I think you've missed an umlaut (but if you're American, you may actuälly be pronouncing it differently than I) and you've made one 'y' replacement where it doesn't belong.

But "prolly" is just a gross bastardization.

In any case, I'm looking forward to that explanation. =)

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Re: hypocrite? me?
[info]bride
2004-05-04 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Oh, and there's only one instance of "Simililar", so I don't have sufficient data points to find a pattern for that one.

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Re: hypocrite? me?
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-05-04 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Your close reading is most appreciäted. Actually is exempt from my use of tremalae (not umlauts) because the pronounciäçionne doesn't even really acknowledge the a. I say it [AK-shoo-lee] tho if I did say [AK-too-a-lee] I would, of course, spell it actuälly. There is a new metaphoric in my prophyle t'explain my philosophy by way of fashion. What do you think?

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Re: hypocrite? me?
[info]bride
2004-05-05 08:20 am UTC (link)
tremalae

Of course, I'm sorry. They're coded as umlauts in HTML, but you're using them as tremalae.

I say it [AK-shoo-lee] tho if I did say [AK-too-a-lee]

Yes, I realized that after a moment =) I'm from Vancouver, BC where, in our laid back and easy-going culture, we tend to enunciate things that people in other regions of Canada and the US do not.

As inefficient and time comsuming as it is, I do say [AK-too-a-lee] most of the time. In a hurry, it's [AK-shlee] =)

There is a new metaphoric in my prophyle t'explain my philosophy by way of fashion. What do you think?

Very fitting =)

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[info]treefox
2004-05-04 03:13 pm UTC (link)
Dude!

So I was at this talk by Nobel-prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz just this evening, and while the man is a god of economics, on his powerpoint, he incorrectly used 'individual's' as the plural of individual!

Now I must admit that I figure that if you get a Nobel Prize in something, you're perfectly entitled to ignore the rest of academia, and I'm sure he's got legions of oppressed post-grads to format and proof-read his work, but still. When one is speaking in front of perhaps 600 Oxford students, one ought to have one's powerpoint presentations grammatically together.

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individuäls
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-10-08 05:41 pm UTC (link)
My father would say that individuäls shouldn't be used anyway. An indivuäl is by himself and to pluralize such a word is pretty pointless. He would go on to say, and I would've t'agree, that there's no case when someöne says individuäls when he couldn't just say people.

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Preach on, Brother Giuseppe!
[info]dougin210
2004-05-05 10:54 am UTC (link)
I couldn't agree more. The s' thing when not for a plural that already ends in s drives me berserk. I mean, forks being placed on the right side of my plate drives me berserk, so everything's relative, I suppose.

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Hasty praise of The Onion
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-05-05 03:47 pm UTC (link)
It looks like I shouldn't've praised the Onion's use of apostrophes so early. They may have the decade abbreviäçionne to my liking, but they committed an even more heinous crime this week's issue. In this pornographic infographic they say "dump contents of cup onto actress' face," which I can hardly even type as a quote.

As I was discussing with a friend today, saying boss' or actress' has no more grammatical merit than fox' or chalice'. The reason one just adds an apostrophe is because one isn't pronouncing it, as in the Gollum example above. If some poor, misguided sole thinks an s sound at th'end of a word is enough, and not solely an a pluralizing s, then he's better follow thru on matrix' and ice'.

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Me sez:
(Anonymous)
2004-05-09 07:22 am UTC (link)
There're three "a"s in banana. ;-)

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You sez
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-05-10 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I've done that before too, and find it to be a perfectly good way to do it... unquestionably better than "There are three a's in banana," and perhaps clearer than "There are three as in banana." This came to a head in trying to wryte my later column about the development of the ß, which I say came from an olde waye of wryting ss. Pluralizing s (or x) is one of the hardest tasks for us sticklers, because it prolly should be "ses" (and "xes"), bringing about one of those situaçionnes where my preferred soluçionne looks much more wrong than that to which I'm objecting in the first place.

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[info]spherissa
2004-06-03 12:03 am UTC (link)
I would put: "There're four 'a's in Alabama." the 'x' showing xto be the object under consideration, though, I admit, the "There're four a's in Antananarivo" is commer.

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[info]spherissa
2004-06-03 12:05 am UTC (link)
this solves the ses/xes problem to btw, as 's's isn't a ~word~ per se

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Quotaçionne Mark Madness
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-06-10 09:06 am UTC (link)
The prollem came about by Spherissa (which is a truly esthetically pleasing name) using quotaçionne marks in her suggestionne, leaving single marks around the inner quotaçionne. In essence, she agrees with Me Sez above, it just looks like she's saying someting different. As I say in reply, putting a letter in quotaçionne marks is a fine way to do it if you don't have bold or italics to differentiäte a letter from its pluralizing s, and using an apostrophe is pretty well accepted.

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Grammar Quiz
[info]signor_giuseppe
2004-10-08 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Just before wryting this column, [info]deadskin notified me of the presence of this Quizilla Grammar Quiz, which seems to hold up if y'ask me. I mean, I am a Grammar God after all. It may've been that which inspyred me toward a more grammatically rigid column.

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