riemannia ([info]riemannia) wrote,
@ 2005-03-24 20:01:00
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Contemporary historicals
Historicals that feel contemporary. I've run into a number of them. (I'm not going to name names.) Kinsale makes me believe I'm elsewhere. So does Dorothy Dunnett. It's not that you can't find some anachronistic writing with Kinsale or Dunnett, it's kind of impossible not to, at some level. ([info]sara_donati pointed out that Lymond is described as neurotic in the days before that word existed.) But, suspension of disbelief occurs and I happily read along.

Of late, I've tried a number of historical romances where there's a glass pane between me and the story because the voice or the characters (not the details, as I'm not that historically aware and obviously the authors had done a fair amount of research) feels contemporary. I can't sink into the story and I set it aside.

It's hard though, to write historical romances--readers do not want to deal with bigots and sexists and powerless women. Somehow, modern sensibility has to be shoehorned into a novel that feels historical. The author has to allow today's readers to like the hero and heroine of 100+ years ago and yet believe they are of their time. Tricky.

Interestingly (at least to me), Ellen B. talks about a faux historical setting.
In the relatively few contemps I've read and enjoyed, I've observed authors using a modern setting that is just as socially stratified/controlled as those in historicals.
I'm much more likely to shrug off a contemporary that doesn't feel contemporary. For example Marsha Moyer's The Second Coming of Lucy Hatch has a heroine whose first marriage sounds (to me, maybe I'm wrong) like it belonged to another decade, if not century.

I'm not sure why I'm more forgiving of contemporaries.

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[info]ogre_san has a good post on rejections. Its somewhat slanted to short story markets, I think, and not to situations where a junior editor loves a book but can't buy it. Worth reading.


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[info]movingfinger
2005-03-25 01:22 am UTC (link)
Interesting that you find Dunnett acceptable. I have tried several times to read her work and every time I cannot get past Page Two because the words she puts in her characters' mouths, as well as all the rest of the writing, seem jarringly modern to me. They all sound like they're in the Here and Now. None of them sound like people/situations of their purported periods. I can't suspend my disbelief that completely.

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[info]riemannia
2005-03-25 01:53 am UTC (link)
Yes, I'm quite willing to believe that what I find feels historical, others wouldn't, and vice versa. And I'm sure a large factor is how engaging the voice is, independent of the historical feel, or lack thereof.

Who does work for you in historical fiction?

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[info]movingfinger
2005-03-25 04:37 am UTC (link)
Historical fiction, as opposed to fiction which is old, doesn't form a huge part of my reading. But I do read it after checking a few pages or if a reviewer I trust recommends it.

I liked the Victorian bits in Possession very much, and also Byatt's other historical-fiction writing (e.g. Angels and Insects; she doesn't pretend that the past is the present and her characters have ideas and priorities that are not those of our contemporaries.

I liked Hella Haasse's novels, those people seemed very alien. (And while we're on literature in translation to English, Torgny Lindgren's Bathsheba and his Light are both convincingly told from the past's viewpoints). I haven't read Sigrid Unsset's very famous books.

Patrick O'Brian, but the formulaic plots (I wandered off when I realized I could effectively count pages between battles) are dull, though realistically dull. James Michener, but I haven't read him for years, I don't know what I'd think of him now.

Lawrence Norfolk too often succumbs to the urge to make knowing pop references, blowing this reader explosively out of the book. When he is not doing that, he's good, e.g. bits of L'empriere's Dictionary before it got a bit out of control worked really well for me. Charles Palliser's pseudo-Dickensian The Quincunx was impressive and feels very Victorian; I haven't happened to pick up anything else by Palliser, so I don't know whether he continued in that vein.

Just about everything by Peter Ackroyd. Also, believe it or not, Flashman et al.; the details are right even if the plots are romps. I guess those must be kind of the anti-Dunnett. Or anti-O'Brian. They're just as formulaic in their way, I suppose, but much more fun.

The Porcelain Dove, Delia Sherman, and also Through a Brazen Mirror, which doesn't go for the cheap emotional fix at the end; instead it stays in context with its time.

Mary Renault, at least everything I've read has worked for me.

Mary Stewart, ditto.

I had mixed feelings about Remembrance Rock, Carl Sandburg's doorstop historical which is now probably a totally unread period piece; the early Colonial stuff worked far better for me than the rest. I think that's partly because the characters are cardboard, but somehow the Colonial cardboard people didn't bother me.

I haven't tried Gore Vidal's big historicals, which is laziness, I ought to as I very much enjoy his nonfiction writing. I haven't read Bulwer-Lytton, either, although it's probably a delightfully awful experience and I am reminded that I have not read The Last Days of Pompeii every time I see a copy of that statue of the blind girl in Pompeii in a museum. Last Days... was kind of the Gone with the Wind of its time.



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[info]riemannia
2005-03-25 06:45 pm UTC (link)
I enjoyed Possession. I mean to read O'Brian and Renault. I tried an Ackroyd a long time ago and didn't get into it.

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interesting
[info]marybethlee
2005-03-25 04:47 pm UTC (link)
I used to read historical romance voraciously.I couldn't get enough of it. Now I rarely find a historical that can suck me in. Jo Beverly usually works for me. So does Lisa Kleypas. Laura Kinsale used to but I haven't read her new release.
I just remember those days years back when my local bookstore owner called me to let me know the Johanna Lindsey or Julie Garwood book I'd been waiting for was in. I miss that excitment.

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Re: interesting
[info]riemannia
2005-03-25 06:45 pm UTC (link)
I like Beverley, love Kinsale, and have yet to try Kleypas.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-26 09:31 am UTC (link)
It's definitely difficult to get the voice right for historical romances. Mary Jo Putney and Lisa Kleypas are two very popular historical authors who have an unrelentingly modern voice. Putney, in particular, has characters who constantly indulge in extremely modern self-psychoanalysis. This bothers me more on some days than it does in others. When I'm in the mood to be bothered her books are just well-nigh unreadable because of it.

Kinsale's "historical" voice works for me. Barbara Samuel's does to, and so does Patricia Gaffney's, though when I analyze her writing she does use rather anachronistic words at times--I do really like her overall tone, though. Laura London, a.k.a. Sharon and Tom Curtis do a pretty good job too, though they do sometimes over-indulge with the flowery turns of phrases. Not purple, more, hmmmm, deep pink.

Candy

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[info]riemannia
2005-03-26 01:45 pm UTC (link)
Gaffney no longer writes historical romance, right? When I see her in bookstores, she's in the mainstream section and they look like women's fiction.

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