Randy McDonald ([info]rfmcdpei) wrote,
@ 2004-11-25 12:36:00
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[BRIEF NOTE] Making Enemies
Reading a recent post at Hurry Up Harry, I came across David Aaronovitch's (linked) article for The Guardian, "All Muslims are not the same". Two critical paragraphs from that article are quoted below:

Yesterday I watched the Van Gogh film on the internet. And the first thing that I thought was that it would never have been shown on British television as it was on Dutch TV. It begins and ends with the intoning of prayers to Allah. In between, the camera passes over the woman's eyes (the rest of her face is covered) and thinly veiled naked body, her voice telling us how she has been the victim of domestic violence, of rape by a relative, and how she dislikes having to cover her entire face. When her face is uncovered, it is bloody and bruised.

What the film suggests is that, somehow, domestic violence and rape are linked to specifically Muslim ways of seeing the world and the relationship between men and women. Given the fact that the film is made by a non-Muslim (indeed, by a noted critic of Islam), the effect is disturbing. What is the film-maker's intention? Who is the film aimed at?


Aaronovitch asks serious and important questions here, and certainly Van Gogh can be charitably described as abrasive. This Salon article goes into more detail about the man, while Submission can be viewed online, at iFilm. But then, as I previously noted, Van Gogh's co-creator Ayaan Hirsi Ali is the person who wrote the script for Submission, who in fact provided Van Gogh with the idea for the script in the first place. And no, contra the implicitly racist and misogynistic arguments of Rohan Jayasekera of (covered by me here and 2), she wrote that script of her own volition, drawing from her own personal experiences to that reflects her stated positions as a Dutch politician (namely, hostility to the internal trends that could lead to the isolation of the Netherlands' Muslim community by reactionaries, and to the deterioration of the statuses of women and children within the Dutch Muslim community). Hirsi Ali is the person responsible for the film, as even Van Gogh's murderer recognized; the letter pinned by the knife on van Gogh's body (available here, 1, 2, 3) was addressed to Hirsi Ali. She knew exactly what she did.

Is Ayaan Hirsi Ali Muslim? She is; at least, enough of a Muslim to be labelled an apostate and made the subject of numerous death threats, like her Belgian counterpart the Senator Mimount Bousakla, currently also in hiding following death threats. She has a relationship to the Islamic religion of her birth, and to the various communities defined by that religion; it is an adversarial relationship, frequently shading towards hostility in relationship to certain figures and associated cultural practices. The relationship exists, though. The sort of relationship enjoyed by Hirsi Ali sounded rather familiar, actually, reminiscent of someone's relationship with something, but I couldn't identify the who or the what until today.

"if you want to stop Aids shoot the queers..." says the governor of texas on the radio and his press secretary later claims that the governor was only joking and besides they didn't think it would hurt his chances for re-election anyways and I wake up every morning in this killing machine called america and i'm carrying this rage like a blood filled egg and there's a thin line between the inside and the outside a thin line between thought and action and that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone and i'm waking up more and more from daydreams of tipping amazonian blowdarts in 'infected blood' and spitting them at the exposed necklines of certain politicians or government healthcare officials or those thinly disguised walking swastika's that wear religious garments over their murderous intentions or those rabid strangers parading against Aids clinics in the nightly news

- from Untitled (Hujar Dead), 1988-89, black-and-white photograph, acrylic, text and collage on masonite; text taken from Fever: The Art of David Wojnarowicz


David Wojnarowicz is most famous for providing the cover of U2's 1991 single "One", along with inspiring an associated music video. Before he died of AIDS in 1992 at the age of 39, though, Wojnarowicz had achieved a prominent position in New York City's East Village art scene, and lasting influence as a casual Google proves: a 1989 essay by Guattari, a page with quotes and a selected bibliography at ACT-UP New York, exhibition of some of his visual art at Queer Arts, a 1991 interview, a brief review of a recent exhibition</a>.

As the above quote makes clear, even without a perusal of his body of work, Wojnarowicz had a relationship with American culture that often become violently hostile, and that was strongly adversarial by default. He disliked the reality of an American culture that was excessively consumeristic, excessively homophobic, excessively complacent: "Scientists have discovered that if the head of a moth is cut off it can still continue to lay its eggs; somehow I don't think civilization is all that different; we are fossilized before we can even make further gestures; society is almost dead and yet it continues reproducing its madness as if there were a real future at the end of its collective gestures. Until the rude shock becomes magnified enough to wake us from this sleep we will continue to have more tiresome dreams."

Back in April, I noted in my post "Religion(s) of Peace, Religion(s) of Hate" that there is no such thing as an ideological system that exists entirely detached from messy reality, and that honest protagonists of any ideological system must recognize this reality, and this reality's consequence that the ideological system is responsible for bad acts committed in its name as well as the good. Islam encompasses Margaret Hassan and her killers; Marxism counts in its rank literary theorists and gulag guards; free-market capitalists should acknowledge New Zealand's experiences before claiming universal success.

I'd go further, and suggest that any ideological system has to be seen, by objective observers, as including its fiercest critics as well as its strongest supporters. Hirsi Ali has a relationship with Islam that is recognized by Muslims; Wojnarowicz (had in life, has even now) a relationship to American culture. Excluding the one or the other from those communities on the grounds of their hostilities is a senseless act, something that isn't a defensible act for anyone who claims objectivity and is borderline even for a given community's protagonist.

One more preliminary, uncontestable, conclusion, though: No enemy is so fierce as the former comrade-in-arms who was forced out into the cold.

EDIT (12:36 PM) : Minor errors including date changed.



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[info]angel80
2004-11-25 12:47 am UTC (link)
What has amazed me about the commentary on the Van Gogh murder is the sheer ability of the media to ignore Hirsi Ali. It's like she doesn't exist.

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[info]talktooloose
2004-11-25 06:42 am UTC (link)
I identify with Wojnarowicz's anger and have often indulged in such orgies myself; but I always find it to be a dead-end street in terms of personal growth or potential for world change. Actually, strike that. Most world change comes from just such self-righteous anger but it is not the kind of change I think the world needs.

I like your statement about ideological systems not being able to stand apart from messy reality. However, I've always felt there are two necessary streams: the dreamers who rise above the reality offering direction for the heart and the doers who must navigate the mess. Neither can make progress without the other. Dreams must be made manifest and those slogging in the mud need eyes that are up in the clouds if they are to navigate meaningfully.

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(Anonymous)
2004-11-29 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Well, generalizations won't do in any case. I think Van Gogh's film (which I haven't seen), from the sounds of it, is a little more offensive to mainstream muslims than, say, the Miss World Pageant in Nigeria and the columnist who joked about Mohammed and the girls and all (I mean, all good religions should be able to take a joke at their expense). I'm not sure what would happen if you shot a film intersplicing the Pope preaching with scenes of the inquisition, holocaust, or muder of abortionists, but I don't think its the most productive form of dialogue. There is something very visceral about the visual medium that is so much more likely to land a Fatwa on your head (that canadian women, Manji or whatever, does not seem to be in hiding yet, even if the conclusions of her book are similar to Van Gogh's film). Think about outcry against Fahrenheit 9/11 versus say, a usual column published in the Nation. It's not just the size of the audience, but the way films hit your emotions more directly (though I have no idea whether the killer did in fact see the film himself).

But damn, anyone who wants to take on Islam should already know by now about the attendant risks involved. Me, I prefer to denigrate all religions on an equal opportunity basis, and to do so in private company.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2004-11-30 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Ditto. If you belong to a particular faith community, though, and you see serious problems with it, why not go for the scathing criticism? It certainly worked for the French anticlericals.

And agreed that Submission was incendiary, though perhaps not as much as her earlier statement that Mohammed was a pedophile. There's a Western tradition of the desecration of holy icons as part of provocative art--Andres Serrano's Piss Christ is an example. The main difference is that all the Christian fundamentalists did was try to cut off his funding, not cut his throat.

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(Anonymous)
2004-11-30 01:53 pm UTC (link)
From Ikram

I've been thinking a bit about this too, and when I read your David W--- quote, I also saw a parallel. But not the one you saw.

David belongs to a marginalized minority and is driven into a rage by his country's tolerance of hate. The Governor of TX (by the way, which one?) is an asshole, and yet he gets re-elected. Popularly supported. Or at worst, tut-tutted by the complacent mainstream elite.

It's outrageous -- not that GovTX exists, but that his hate does not diminish his chances of re-election.

The solution? Texans should not elect assholes as Governor. And the rest of us should never coddle assholes. It's not their existance as much as their acceptance that rankles.

Apply the lesson to the Netherlands as you see fit.

I'd go further, and suggest that any ideological system has to be seen, by objective observers, as including its fiercest critics as well as its strongest supporters

Which would make Luther part of the Catholic system? Stephen Harper part of the Liberal party system? I think there's a piece to this argument that's missing.

One more preliminary, uncontestable, conclusion, though: No enemy is so fierce as the former comrade-in-arms who was forced out into the cold.

This is what I think when I read your writings on PEI and the maritimes.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2004-11-30 03:20 pm UTC (link)
The solution? Texans should not elect assholes as Governor. And the rest of us should never coddle assholes. It's not their existance as much as their acceptance that rankles.

Apply the lesson to the Netherlands as you see fit.


No disagreements. Certainly, there's a hypocrisy present in some Muslim communities, demanding tolerance but refusing to practice tolerance in return. I refer to the recent case here in Toronto, where some Muslim parents apparently think it would be acceptable to let my hypothetical future children be tormented on the grounds of their father's sexuality orientation but demand that anti-racist education and protection against discrimination be included in schools. Given the relatively greater marginalization of Dutch Muslim communities, it's not particularly surprising to find out that similarly hypocritical attitudes are present there, refusing to let individuals engage with their faith and culture or not on their own terms, and refusing to internalize the pluralistic values of wider culture (leading imams equating gay men with pigs isn't exactly good PR).

By the same measure, of course, wider Dutch society needs to get over its conveniently safe ghettoizing of Muslims as a community apart, its individuals fundamentally detached from wider Dutch society and consequently dependent on Dutch society, proof alternatively of Dutch tolerance or Dutch gullibility as prevailing political trends suggest. Ultimately, the Dutch don't seem to have thought of the 900 thousand Muslims in their country as individuals with everything that implies as to their desires and needs and prerequisites.

We don't need so many idiots. We really don't.

I'd go further, and suggest that any ideological system has to be seen, by objective observers, as including its fiercest critics as well as its strongest supporters

Which would make Luther part of the Catholic system? Stephen Harper part of the Liberal party system? I think there's a piece to this argument that's missing.


Had Luther fallen into the hands of the Catholic Church after the Reformation kicked off, I don't think that pleading that he was a Protestant who bore no allegiance to the Papacy would have let him escape his due punishment. Cf. conservative Muslim attitudes towards Manji and Hirsi Ali.

As for Harper and the Conservatives, this party had distinct origins from the Liberals.

One more preliminary, uncontestable, conclusion, though: No enemy is so fierce as the former comrade-in-arms who was forced out into the cold.

This is what I think when I read your writings on PEI and the maritimes.


To an extent, though I certainly don't hate the Maritimes or feel angry. For the most part, I just feel sad and frustrated that for more than a century, we just haven't gotten it.

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