Chris ([info]randomchris) wrote,
@ 2003-06-15 15:47:00
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Your right to your truth, and others' rights to their own

Once you've made your choice of what to believe, or gone with your instincts, maybe you'll be happy with just that.

However, some people go further than this - they believe that their decision on the truth is so right that they find others to back it up, and go and evangelise, and try to bring others round to their way of thinking.

There's no objective evidence for any of the choices that this group of believers has made. There is absolutely no evidence that they have the right to tell others what the right choice is. (Note that these groups include some Roman Catholics, many right-wing Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Hitler, Mormons, several Muslim sects, the nutters who released sarin gas on the Tokyo subway, and the followers of David Koresh at WACO.)

(A brief note on why I'm still a Christian, although it seems that Christ was an evangelist: it's because Christ's resurrection convinces me that he was genuinely sent from God. However, I can see why other people wouldn't believe in that resurrection from the available evidence, so I respect their right to that.)

Once you have decided and thought about what you truly believe - and not just what you believe, but why you believe it, and realised that the evidence is not conclusive - you have to accept that your beliefs are partly based on your own feelings of what is "right" and "good", and your own hopes that you are correct.

Just because some other people happen to believe the same thing does not make it right to try to make others think the same way - and trying to convert others to your church's specific way of thinking runs the incredible risk of you being wrong. Personally, I'm prepared to gamble my own afterlife on the possibility that I am wrong against the hope that I am right. But I will not wager anyone else's soul upon that.

Finally, consider this - if two groups of believers of this sort meet, then they both believe that the others are damned. They will try to convert each other. They will both have closed minds and will waste a huge amounr of effort. What good does that accomplish? It's wasted effort at best, which could be used for other purposes. And the only way in which a winner will be declared is if one group is exterminated. Their minds can't be changed, after all. Encounters between religious groups, each insisting that theirs is the only truth, have caused several major wars in the past, and at the moment look set to do so again.

I believe fervently that we should try to be part of the solution to this problem.

I'm not saying that you should open your mind to other religions and allow them to convert you - that would defeat the purpose. But if you've decided what to believe, and looked at why you decided that, it should be apparent that others can draw different conclusions and beliefs from the same evidence - and that as a result, they have as much right to their beliefs as you do. And we have a duty to make sure that others respect that right.



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[info]lilitufire
2003-06-15 09:31 am UTC (link)
Amen to your last paragraph.

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[info]ixwin
2003-06-15 10:26 am UTC (link)
I agree that you should never try to force your beliefs on others, and you should always be aware that you might be wrong but I do think it's worthwhile to "test" your beliefs against others' every so often (where both parties are willing to have an honest, respectful discussion).

This is because I don't think that what you believe should be something that you consider once and then follow for the rest of your life. I think it should be more like a lifelong quest, getting (hopefully) closer to the truth over time, not necessarily changing the core of your beliefs (although being open to the possibility of doing so) but perhaps seeing the complexities inherent in certain things which used to seem straightforward, or realising that something which seemed complex is actually quite simple when looked at right.

After all, if your beliefs are true, they should be able to stand up to such testing, and emerge the stronger for it - if they're not, surely it's better to find that out?

Admittedly, I also (perhaps mainly) like theological discussions is because I like the intellectual play of ideas, and I know that some people don't. So I'm not condemning anyone who prefers not to argue about their beliefs - I'm just saying that, done right, it needn't be a bad thing.

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[info]randomchris
2003-06-15 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I quite agree. In that context, my point was mainly that nobody has the right to say "I am right and you should change".

I'm with you on the testing beliefs thing - that's partly what this whole sermon series has been about, testing my core beliefs. They're still there, but I wasn't sure they would be :)

I seem to have ended up as a passionate anti-evangelist though, which is slightly weird.

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[info]covey
2003-06-16 05:24 am UTC (link)
I would say one thing in favour of evangelism (although I'm wary of many of its forms these days) -- and thats it should be motivated by... something like joy.
If you're just trying to get people to believe the same thing as you do to make yourself surer of your own beliefs then you need to do some thinking.
However, if you know what you believe and the knowledge of this excites you so much you need to tell people about it, then that can be ok. Forcing opinions is wrong, but I guess letting people know what you believe and suggesting that maybe they think about it doesn't sound so bad to me.
Of course, you should probably extend them the same courtesy...

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[info]ravensfeather
2003-06-17 11:33 am UTC (link)
(Note: The term "you" will be used as a generalization, not YOU specifically, unless noted otherwise.)

As a Christian, wouldn't you follow Christ and his commands?

For instance, to tell others the Good News? Spread the Gospel to all nations? Give everyone a chance to come to the same saving knowledge of Jesus that you possess?

You can't be a Christian (follower of Christ) if you don't follow Christ.

I respect that people have a right to believe whatever they want, but my God has given me a command to let them know of Jesus so that they may be saved from eternal hellfire and separation from Him. Should I be worried about offending their rights? Or worried about their eternal soul and my God's command?

Even if Christianity is incorrect, it's still very fulfilling for those who follow it, and, when followed correctly, does not harm others in the process. You lead a good life, and are spiritually fulfilled when you take full joy in it. Even if it's wrong, your life as a Christian wouldn't have been a waste. Why not spread this news to others?

But Christians are just trying to do people a favor when they witness to them, because in their beliefs, if you don't believe that Jesus is your Savior, you are going to hell. They are just trying to save you from hell. If it's not what you believe, just pat them on the head and say "Thanks."

Obviously, if they flat-out ask me not to witness to them directly, I would not. I would respect their wishes. However, I would still live my life in their view, and that would be a way of witnessing. Also, prayer. Some say that prayer is the least you can do for someone. But really, it's the most you can do. I'd say that prayer is 99% of the witnessing, and actual speech (or whatever other physical witnessing) is only 1%. So whether they know it or not, I'd be witnessing to them.


Anyway.. I think I went off on a tangent there.


-Krystal-

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[info]randomchris
2003-06-18 12:14 pm UTC (link)
Even if Christianity is incorrect, it's still very fulfilling for those who follow it, and, when followed correctly, does not harm others in the process. You lead a good life, and are spiritually fulfilled when you take full joy in it. Even if it's wrong, your life as a Christian wouldn't have been a waste. Why not spread this news to others?

Because they'd be just as well off with Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism, or humanism. The leading of a good life is not determined by what religion you follow.

At least you admit the possibility that we're incorrect though. You might want to think about the implications of that possibility a bit more.

Essentially, if we're wrong, then not only are we damned, but we're dragging them to hell with us.

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