rabidrage: DO NOT JOIN QUIXTAR

rabidrage (

rabidrage) wrote,
@ 2005-07-28 20:48:00

DO NOT JOIN QUIXTAR
A friendly warning to those of you out there who might be planning to embark on a new business venture, or simply to those of you who don't really know what you want to do with your lives: DO NOT JOIN QUIXTAR. It is a scam. Of course, anyone who approaches you to talk about it won't tell you what they're about until they've already made friends with you. They'll start talking to you about something seemingly inocuous, like your job, your interests, whatever, and they'll pretend to care...but then, watch out! They'll be asking you to try things, come to meetings, or possibly just get as far as bringing up a GREAT NEW ENERGY DRINK!! It's called XS. If they talk about XS, run away. RUN FAR, FAR AWAY.
Let me just say that I do not believe all people in Quixtar to be evil. No, a lot of them are just poor saps who have been brainwashed and are in the process of brainwashing others not because they are bad people who don't care about anyone's welfare, but because they, in turn, have been brainwashed to do it. Oh, sure some of them are jerks who want to make a quick buck (oh, but it's not THAT quick, it's supposed to take 2-5 years...whoop-de-doo). Just watch out for these people, that's all I'm saying. I'm hoping that in 2-5 years the whole lousy thing falls apart.

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For the uneducated advisor
(Anonymous)
2005-07-31 09:20 am UTC (link)

It is obvious that you have no clue on the great nature of this business nor the concept of running a successful Quixtar business. The Federal Trade Commission have examined and found it to meet their standard of business ethics. The Better Business Bureau also finds no fault in the operation of the Quixtar business. Jay Van Andel and Steve Van Andel both Father and Son co-founders of this business were elected The Chairman of Chamber of Commerce. I personally know friends that are very successful in this business.

First of all you just lost credibility by using profanity in your uneducated opinion. Opinions are like arm pits, everyone has them and sometimes it stinks and yours really stink!! Also, I don't mind people like you who post their opinion on the internet, because sources like this one are just like the bathroom walls of society which can now be found anywhere on the web. I only listen to credible sources when seeking advise. Thanks for trying so hard to discredit a successful business with a proven track record. You've just made it more of the reason for me to get involve in this Quixtar business.

Get educated!!

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	Re: For the uneducated advisor (Anonymous) 2005-08-01 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	The Federal Trade Commission have examined and found it to meet their standard of business ethics. Can you provide some documentation of this? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: For the uneducated advisor (Anonymous) 2005-08-01 02:36 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, ofcourse it does, thats because they are analyzing the product end of it, not the motivational tape/cd/video/seminar second business where the big money is. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: For the uneducated advisor
(Anonymous)
2005-08-01 02:28 pm UTC (link)

Well, be very careful on using the word credible. You sound like you have the 1,000 hours in on those cd's your purchasing from your upline. You want educated, how about this, I did it loyally for a year, before I woke up. I know this business better than most that are in it. I was core, hit 1600 pv a couple a times, went to every promoted seminar, and open meeting, you said you wanted educated. Your leaders are not credible by a long shot. I'd swore I would never set foot in a Costco or Price club, now I love that place. Why? Quixtar products are grossly over priced. Case in point, your Sa8(not doubting the quality)is 27 dollars plus shipping, at Costco the same quality powered concentrated laundry detergent for triple the amount by Kirkland is only $9.99. Rest my case.
They will tell not to read the internet, right? (Thats information control, bordering mind control, after a few more of those weekend sleepless seminars you will be 100% in utter loyalty to your upline, and unable to know right from wrong anyhow). Cognitive dissonance sound familiar? Go get educated if you've never heard of the term before. The principles are of value, don't get me wrong. Goal setting, hard work and commitment, excellent principals to live by, they have helped me obtain personal triumphs and I continue to my best to live by them. But not unconditionally, the way you are being taught and are teaching others. Go ahead ask your upline how much he's making, or bring up income at a team meeting, watch the reaction from those credible leaders, I'm sure you will be surprised. Ask for income statements, get all the facts. You can try but it wont happen. Lastly, I could on and get angry but its not worth my valuable time, just don't get to far like around the Emerald level(very few make that far, the numbers that are failing are staggering)and decide to wake up from the brainwashing, it would be best to stay asleep at that point.

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Re: For the uneducated advisor

rabidrage
2005-08-01 02:44 pm UTC (link)

Don't insult my intelligence. You tell me I am uneducated and then you fail to educate me! Don't tell me I've lost all credibility because I used profanity. What that tells me is that you can't really argue with me, all you can do is pick on the language I've chosen to use. It's like if you asked me "Why can't you talk in IM right now?" and my answer was "I have to use the restroom". If I said instead "I have to take a shit," would you tell me it's not a valid excuse because I was profane? BULLSHIT. Or, excuse me...BULLPOOP. Is that better? Learn to argue, my friend.
I know that the Better Business Bureau checked out Quixtar and found that they were doing everything LEGALLY, but a beer commercial that shows fat guys surrounded by attractive women is considered legal and ethical by the BBB as well...but I've got news for you--it DOESN'T WORK.
One last thing- If you are going to insult my armpits and tell me that my livejournal is like the bathroom wall of society, and if you plan on insulting me in general, especially my intelligence, one more time, I will report you.
Good day.

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	i just joined quixtar (Anonymous) 2005-08-01 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	i just joined quixtar, my whole family got in it. I am sure i dont have all the info but the earning potential seems to be astronomical. what are some things i should be cautious of and why? yeah they did talk about the drink xs. what is it that i should run far away from. (Reply to this)

Thank you for asking

rabidrage
2005-08-02 03:53 am UTC (link)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for replying, thank you very much for asking. Let me warn you right now--they will tell you that you can earn a lot of money, but they will never prove it. They do not operate on logic, they play on your emotions--especially fear. They make you afraid to work a real job, afraid of the real world, and afraid of responsibility, and then they tell you they are your only way out. They get you by the balls. I know many, many people who are in this business, some of them for a year and some even longer, and they are broke all the time. The only expectation they really have of you, despite claims to the contrary, is not that you will make money, but that you will spend it. They tell you that you have to invest everything you have in order to make any business work, but this business, despite that they tell you otherwise, is not YOUR business. All they acomplish by telling you that is to give you false confidence, which means false hope. All they're doing you is handing you a clone business--a clone website--and your products and procedure is exactly the same as everyone else's. It's not personalized, even though you might think up a fancy NAME for "your business"...it's just a clone.
What are some things you should be cautious of? The whole thing. Just get out while you can. Trust me, no one in it makes money, and they are all brainwashed. They'll start small, but sooner or later they'll be adding on more nights per week that they want you to meet and they'll try to isolate you from anyone who thinks differently from them. I have seen this happen to people I know. If you don't believe me, just look at the first reply to my post, and look at how the person insults me without bothering to prove anything. That's because he can't. And I've run into that problem with everyone I talk to who's been in the business a long time. They all say and do the same things. Trust me.
If that's not enough to sway your opinion, even Harvard studies have shown that it's impossible for more than the top 3% to make any money with their business model. The rest of you just pay their bills.
Good luck making an informed decision.

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	Re: Thank you for asking (Anonymous) 2005-08-02 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	Hey rabid rage, You are right on point, I appreciate and admire you standing strong. You are giving good advise. I posted the second reply to your first replier telling you to get educated and gave some grave details folks should be looking out for. Glad to be of any help. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Platinum IBO 2 1/2yrs.
(Anonymous)
2005-08-02 06:16 pm UTC (link)

All I have to say is, everyone has there own opinion. I'm not trying to down anyone but I joined quixtar 2 1/2yrs. ago and I have to admit it changed my life, no I'm not brain washed I still work but now that I make like 500,000 a year I'm thinking about traveling. No Quixtar isn't for everyone, and most people who have something bad to say about it are the ones who didn't put the time and effort into it, so it didn't work for them. What you put into it is what you get out of it. It's not a get rich quick scheme, it's an oppertunity to get out of debt and be financially free. It's not here to replace your job it's a long term investment. If anyone is looking to join Quixtar don't go by what you see online, especially don't look on google! You know what I'll give you a little project; look up Wal-mart on google and look at some of the message boards. If Wal-mart sucks so bad, why is it one of the fastest growing businesses in the world?

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rabidrage
2005-08-03 01:15 am UTC (link)

Wal-Mart, as well as any other business that "sucks", can suck despite its success...look at the burgeoning pop/hip-hop industry, for example. It's making money, sure. But it's all crap.
Furthermore, this IBO above me says "now that I'm making money", but I've noticed that every IBO talks about making a lot of money, they just never tell you from what. He admits he still works. He says he makes 500,000 a year, but most of that is probably from his job. Like another of our friends above this post said, try asking about income at a meeting and watch what happens. You won't get a numerical dollar answer. Percentages, maybe.
Oh yeah, and don't get your info on the internet, especially from people like me, because we know what we're talking about and we'll keep you from giving the higher-ups your money. Man, they'll do anything to protect their cash. If you had a vision and Jesus himself told you not to do Quixtar, they'd tell you not to get your info from Jesus if it helped them control you. Trust me.

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	money (Anonymous) 2005-08-03 04:33 am UTC (link)
	fax me your 1040 for last year. Along with a copy of your refund check. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Anyway

rabidrage
2005-08-03 12:43 pm UTC (link)

I assume that last comment is to the IBO of 2.5 years, not me...at any rate, I am going to disallow any futher comments on this entry, because I ended up getting way more irate IBOs responding than I expected, and I didn't really set up a livejournal account to get heckled for my dislike of something. When I get comments on my entries, I expect moral support from people in similar situations, or with similar interests...or just from people who understand. Maybe a word of advice here and there, possibly an offer of friendship. But this site isn't here as a forum for debating whether or not Quixtar works. I'm not here for that reason either. I guess that just goes to show how rabid these people are. Speaking of which, if anyone wants to continue this discussion in private instead of doing free advertising, my email address is rabidrage666@aol.com. I'll be happy to field any further comments there.

-James

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