a thorn without a rose
Fic: Seven Stars and Seven Stones (LOTR) 
19th-Feb-2004 04:35 pm
LOTR - Boromir the Fair, sleepy panda, FNL - Coach, LOTR - Faramir/Eowyn, narnia - aslan - sorrows will be no more, Elizabeth - Not amused, trois couleurs - bleu, Farscape - Lissitsky, Rome - Pullo - graffiti, dachshund pup glee, Deadwood - Seth and Alma, Mad Men - Don, Sharpe - Tongue, vidi, BSG - Lee - mutinies, BSG - Kara - love is the crooked thing, BSG - Tigh - Wotan, The Wire - Kima, vici, Macbeth - amen, ASOIAF - Night's Watch, Golden Age - heart of a king, dance, BSG - Gaius/Six - so cruel, Gladiator - Lucilla, Rome - you shave I kiss, Farscape - Aeryn - Love, BSG - Adama - Zeus, BSG - lost time, KoH - Sybilla, BSG - pretty pilots, Farscape - John/Aeryn Always, Gladiator - Elysium, LA Confidential - Good Cop Bad Cop, BSG - lee/kara - trapped, Franz Marc deer, Sleepy Hollow - Love is blindness, Bean - reading, La Reine Margot - Margot, BSG - humans, Farscape - Radiant Aeryn Sun, the wire - lester - smile, ASOIAF - Brienne - oathkeeper, Persuasion - letter, Rome - Pullo - worried, BSG - Tigh - Kids, M&C - Queen&Commander, ATS - Wes - vigil, The Wire - McNulty, Rome - Lucius - grief, Mad Men - cha cha, Farscape - Aeryn - choice, Deadwood - Widow Garrett, Rome - thirteen, Bean - Caravaggio - b&w, Macbeth -  Murder bad, Elizabeth - Traitor, Deadwood - Alma, bronze horseman, Rome - Caesar - Veni, Queen, Leonardo - belle ferronière, Ugly Betty - Amanda - totally working, BSG - Arma virumque cano, AD - buster sheep, Deadwood - Alma - walk, ASOIAF - Jaime - there's only me, Farscape - John, BSG - Gaius - smack, Sharpe - Wounded, alessa grow your hair, The Wire - Stringer - suit, Persuasion - apart, TN - Orsino/Cesario - daughters, AD - Lucille, AD - puke on your head, Das Leben der Anderen, ATS - Wes, The Wire - Stringer - arms, Gladiator - Maximus & Lucilla, Onegin - Lensky - sceptical, Puffins, Ugly Betty - Amanda - shoes, brother cadfael - olivier, Persuasion - kiss, The Wire - Carv, The Wire - Omar, Norstein - Hedgehog, Troy - Odysseus - Sacker of Cities, BSG - Future Civilian Leader, Rome - Lucius/Titus - brothers, ATS - Puppet Angel, BSG - trust, The Wire - String & Avon, wheeeee!, LOTR - Boromir - Captain, Gladiator, BSG - Laura - thoughtful, onion domes, Rome - Atia, BSG - the cag, Bean - NT grin, The Wire - Boys of summer, beautiful game - buffon - condottiero, The Wire - Bunk & McNulty, La Reine Margot - Paris is worth a mass, TN - Orsino/Cesario - kiss, Knuuuuuut, FNL - Matt - Clear Eyes, Deadwood - Al - toothpick, Mad Men - Betty with gun, Rome - announcer, AK - Vronsky, parrots - hyacinth blue, Notorious, FNL - Mrs. Coach, Farscape - Chiana, Deadwood- Al and Dan - bff, BSG - Semper Pilots, Persuasion - together, VM - Veronica plotting, 30 Rock - Jack & Liz, book pile, trois couleurs - rouge - bff, BSG - Lee - breakable, LOTR - Theoden King, Sharpe - Teresa - Love
Heaven help us, I've written more LOTR fic! The only thing I didn't absolutely adore about Peter Jackson's "The Return of the King" that I'm not confident will be fixed in the extended edition was Denethor's death. I'm not saying Denethor's is a nice man, or even a good man, and he's absolutely horrible to poor Faramir, but I don't think the movie quite did justice to this character who is so vivid to me from the books. That's not to say that I'm doing him justice either - just that I'm quite interested in his motivations for being such an awful father.

Anyway - long story short - because I am absolutely insane, I decided to write a series of drabbles about that terrible dysfunctional first family of Gondor all told from Denethor's POV - so here they are.

[info]adjrun was the most fabulous and wonderful beta possible for a different earlier version of this story, and all of her comments were incorporated into this version. See? I can actually take criticism gracefully, especially when it's delivered from the right person ;)

Title: "Seven Stars and Seven Stones"
Characters: Denethor, Boromir, Faramir
Summary: Denethor looks back at his life


"Seven Stars and Seven Stones"

The seeing stone shows Denethor black armies massing under distant stars. It shows him that Gondor is alone, a failing bulwark against the malice of Mordor. He sees the dead White Tree ablaze in the bonfire that is Minas Tirith. He struggles to pull away from the fiery Eye before its gaze can pierce stone and flesh to learn his secret thoughts.

He knows the danger, but each night the ones he loved smile at him from the depths of the palantir. He remembers that long ago, he knew light that did not burn and laughter that was not cruel.

***

Denethor first sees Finduilas at a banquet in her father’s castle by the sea. She is clad in midnight blue and her brother guards her like a jewel of incalculable price. She has stars in her eyes and sunlight in her smile and her name is music. Denethor knows he will wed no woman but this swan princess. He will wait if he must. He has long schooled himself in patience.

The pride of the Steward’s House is nothing to her father, who counts his descent from the Elves. He is not best pleased when Finduilas makes her choice.

***

There is, for once, no duty Denethor must perform. He finds Finduilas in the gardens set high above the city. She comes here often to watch the river and Denethor wonders whether she still longs for the distant sea.

She bends over the baby, tickling him with a stalk of lavender. The sunlight limns each blade of grass and turns the pale hair of his son’s head into a halo of gold. Boromir’s soft hands grasp the plaything with unexpected strength, and he laughs at his mother, his dimpled face beaming with delight. Denethor surrenders his heart without a struggle.

***

Boromir and Finduilas belong to Denethor alone. He need not share their love, as he was forced to share his own father’s regard with a stranger. He has earned this joy, as he did not earn the honors due his father’s son. He needs no others.

Others intrude whether he wills it or not. Finduilas bears a second son and not long afterwards, Denethor notices that a shadow mars the brightness of her eyes. The physicians assure Denethor that the baby did not cause the mother’s illness, but in his heart he cannot forgive Faramir for destroying his perfect happiness.

***

Boromir stands next to the body, silent for once, his ready smile quenched. Denethor’s eyes burn but he cannot weep.

“Where is mother? Why has she gone away?”

Faramir’s words sear Denethor’s heart. Unthinking, he clenches his fist to silence this importunate child. Boromir steps between them as the blow falls. He sways but he stays on his feet and without a word, he takes his brother’s hand and walks away. The next day the mark of the Steward’s ring is a dull red in the center of the dark swelling on Boromir’s jaw.

Denethor never strikes his sons again.

***

Faramir watches, counting the strokes under his breath, as Boromir learns to wield a sword. When Faramir breaks his arm falling from a horse, Boromir grips his brother’s hand while the surgeons set the bone. He boasts to Denethor that Faramir bore the pain without a murmur.

Denethor prides himself on being a just ruler. He knows it is unjust to seek victory over a child. Yet when Boromir praises Faramir’s courage, or smiles at something his brother has said, a sourness rises in Denethor’s throat. He cannot refrain from wielding the words he has honed to a cutting edge.

***

“Faramir shot a bird in mid-flight,” Boromir says.

Denethor raises an eyebrow. “An impressive feat for one so young.”

Faramir flushes in pleasure and a radiant smile lights Boromir’s face. For a heartbeat, Denethor sees their mother in them. Perhaps this is what goads him to continue.

“Arrows are the weapons of a coward,” he says. “You would do better to learn swordsmanship, like your brother.”

Faramir’s voice trembles as he excuses himself from the table. Boromir waits to speak until his brother is out of earshot. “Why, father?” he says.

Denethor cannot answer. They finish their meal in silence.

***

When Boromir is twenty-one, he is named Captain of the White Tower. Resplendent in sable and silver, he kneels and swears his oaths to an empty throne. His father thinks Boromir could be the heir of Elendil. But Denethor can bestow no winged crown on his son, only a horn of bone.

That night Denethor dreams that Boromir and Finduilas are drowning. Finduilas floats away without a struggle, her fingers grazing Denethor’s for but a moment. Boromir’s grip is like iron. Heedless of Denethor’s struggles, he pulls his father down into the depths where sunlight is but a distant rumor.

***

Boromir wears no helm in battle, so that his men may always recognize their captain. The soldiers call him Boromir the Bold. That name makes his father shudder. It is long since Denethor rode out to Gondor’s wars, but he recalls how a body can be broken. Boldness is no shield against an axe to the skull.

His own father warned him that the Palantir was to be used only for Gondor’s direst need. In the grey hours before dawn, Denethor does not remember whether it is Gondor’s need or his own that has driven him to the seeing stone.


***

It is as it was when they were boys. Their laughter ceases when Denethor arrives. As ever, Faramir hungers for praise that he has not earned. Boromir thinks that his father does not notice how he sighs and squares his shoulders, as though Denethor’s presence is a burden. But it is no matter. Boromir has never failed Denethor and he will not do so now.

Gondor has won a great victory at Osgiliath, but Denethor has seen that there is only one thing that will save their people from the coming darkness.

“Bring me back this mighty gift,” he says.

***

In late summer, Boromir crosses the borders of Gondor and passes from his father’s sight. Denethor wonders if the Enemy has cast spells to blind the seeing stone. Or perhaps it is Elvish magic to hide the Ring and the one who carries it.

Many months later, echoes of a distant, desperate horn call come down to the city from the North. Does Boromir summon aid in battle from a fickle ally? Or were the sounds some trick of the wind? Denethor’s unease grows as the Palantir refuses to bend to his will.

There is no news for thirteen days.

***

The south wind carries the promise of spring even into the hall of the kings, but when Denethor pulls away the rough cloth from the errand-rider’s bundle, he knows that winter will never end. He touches the tarnished silver and stained ivory with a steady hand, and keeps his voice as hard as the bands of ice that grip his heart. Other, lesser, men must not presume to pity him.

He waits until the torches gutter and then he climbs to the tower room, as he has done each night since Boromir rode from Osgiliath without bidding his father farewell.

***

“Do you wish our places had been exchanged?” Faramir asks. “Do you wish I had died and Boromir had lived?”

Denethor wishes that he had died ere he sent his son to perish among strangers in a faraway land. For Boromir’s life, he would exchange Faramir and every man in this city and he would not count the cost. But there is nothing left of his son save the shards of a broken heirloom.

Pain so great cannot be endured alone. This time Boromir is not here to take the blow meant for his brother.

“Yes,” Denethor says. “I do.”

***

Night after night, the seeing stone taunts Denethor. It shows him Boromir dying - his hair matted with sweat, his tunic sodden with blood, his eyes dark with despair.

When Denethor sees the body at the foot of the White Tree, he thinks his dreams have pursued him into the daylight. But when he hurries down the steps, it is Faramir who lies unconscious, his armor pierced by many arrows.

It seems Denethor must drain his cup of sorrow to the bitter dregs. Finduilas gave him two sons to cherish and he has sent both of them to their deaths.

***

The gates of the city have fallen and the fires are spreading. Soon there will be nothing left save orcs feasting on the bodies of the dead.

Denethor will not let the creatures of the Enemy desecrate the bones of those whom he has loved. Finduilas is safe, dust buried under stone. Boromir is gone, entrusted to the uncertain mercy of the sea.

But there is one still left. In death, if in nothing else, Denethor will do his duty to Faramir. The pyre is stacked high. The flames will be swifter, and the end kinder than Denethor has deserved.
Comments 
19th-Feb-2004 02:07 pm (UTC)
Hols shit, girl! This is great! Fucking great!

*fans self*

Finduilas gave him two sons to cherish and he has sent both of them to their deaths.

You are giving me goosebumps!
19th-Feb-2004 08:06 pm (UTC) - Re:
Oh, thanks so much, darling! It's not that I LIKE Denethor but he's a very compelling character to me! Glad I gave you goosebumps - hey, you look sexy like that :)
19th-Feb-2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
Ow. That was lovely, and I find it difficult to sympathize with Denethor, as several years have passed since I read the books. Thank you for such a bittersweet story.
19th-Feb-2004 08:09 pm (UTC) - Re:
I find it difficult to sympathize with Denethor

Wow! Thank you for saying that - that's such a great compliment :) You know, I don't like the man and I don't condone how he treats Faramir, but I've always found him very compelling from the first time I read the book and was struck by the image of this man sitting on with the broken horn on his lap... He intrigues me!
19th-Feb-2004 02:34 pm (UTC)
Thank you--just THANK YOU for writing this! I was very disappointed with Denethor's characterisation in the RotK movie, because even at his worst, in the books he had at least some dignity...

You show his love for Boromir so well, and his short years of happiness with Boromir and Finduilas. He reacts to Faramir's birth maybe the way Boromir should have, with that irrational jealousy for the newcomer who came to spoil his family's perfect world of three. I loved the brief reference to Thorongil, and adored your characterisation of Boromir--proud and noble and generous, loving Faramir so much. ♥

And Denethor's coldness to Faramir is just. Ouch.

Pain so great cannot be endured alone. This time Boromir is not here to take the blow meant for his brother.

and then

It seems Denethor must drain his cup of sorrow to the bitter dregs. Finduilas gave him two sons to cherish and he has sent both of them to their deaths.

These two lines really grabbed me and twisted me inside. So beautiful, so true.

*happy sigh* I loved this, such a wonderful look into Denethor's mind. Thank you so much for posting it! :D
19th-Feb-2004 08:25 pm (UTC) - Re:
even at his worst, in the books he had at least some dignity...

Yup - this was exactly my issue with Movie Denethor as well - and I think the problem ENTIRELY lay with the script, because if you listen to John Noble talk about the character, I think he absolutely and totally got it. But the parts where Gandalf hits Denethor just make me cringe. It's so, SO wrong.

You show his love for Boromir so well, and his short years of happiness with Boromir and Finduilas. He reacts to Faramir's birth maybe the way Boromir should have, with that irrational jealousy for the newcomer who came to spoil his family's perfect world of three.

Aww, thank you! You know, I just thought while watching the TTT:EE that one of the things that's going on with Denethor there is that he's JEALOUS of Faramir - like he wants all of Boromir's attention focused on *him* just as his own attention is so focused on Boromir. And Faramir is a competitor for Boromir's affections (and probably for Finduilas's as well ...)

I loved the brief reference to Thorongil, and adored your characterisation of Boromir--proud and noble and generous, loving Faramir so much. ♥

Hee! Well, you know I am a big old drooly Boromir-fangirl. I wondered if I'd made him too much of a Mary Sue, but then again, this is all from Denethor's perspective and he idealized his son, so I can too :p

And Denethor's coldness to Faramir is just. Ouch.

I so, so SO don't agree with fanfic where Denethor beats Faramir or physically abuses him - he just has always struck me (and I think that's a pretty close to canon interpretation) as someone who would be able to say really cutting and painful things. He doesn't *NEED* to hit people to hurt them.

Thank you so much for posting it!

heh! Thanks for writing such a nice detailed comment :) I love those!!

Err, so if I just happened to be writing something about Odysseus and Diomedes, say, I remember you mentioned a place that could be posted?
20th-Feb-2004 02:43 pm (UTC) - Re:
But the parts where Gandalf hits Denethor just make me cringe. It's so, SO wrong.
Or when Gandalf watches Denethor run away on fire, and he's like "Thus passes Denethor, son of Ecthelion..." and I'm all like "Thus passes what! YOU just shoved him into the fire!!" o_O

It wasn't just Denethor, it was Gandalf's characterisation that was absurd, imo... like him hitting Pippin when Pip kneels to Denethor. I mean. Who is that guy? Not Gandalf, for sure! </rant>

You know, I just thought while watching the TTT:EE that one of the things that's going on with Denethor there is that he's JEALOUS of Faramir - like he wants all of Boromir's attention focused on *him* just as his own attention is so focused on Boromir. And Faramir is a competitor for Boromir's affections (and probably for Finduilas's as well ...)
Oh, yes. That makes a lot of sense, of course! Denethor would just be the kind of man capable of loving someone so passionately, so fiercely, that he could focus only on the one person, and be insanely jealous... (You're making me feel sorry for Denethor now. That's quite a feat! ;)

Err, so if I just happened to be writing something about Odysseus and Diomedes, say, I remember you mentioned a place that could be posted?
Oooh! *heart-shaped eyes* You are? You are?? I adore you! :D

I believe I mentioned [info]classics_slash, but there are also [info]troyslash and troy_ilium... those lasts two are more specifically about Troy, but from their info pages I gather that Homeric slash in general is welcomed, too.

Ooh, Odysseus/Diomedes... (You know that in Dante's Inferno they're doomed to spend all eternity joined together in the same flame, yes? I always found that part so incredibly romantic... in its own twisted, sick way. ;) ♥_♥
20th-Feb-2004 06:16 pm (UTC) - Re:
It wasn't just Denethor, it was Gandalf's characterisation that was absurd, imo... like him hitting Pippin when Pip kneels to Denethor. I mean. Who is that guy? Not Gandalf, for sure!

Yeah - that almost bothered me more than what they did with DENETHOR. That was ... well, so, so wrong - and it was such a glaring contrast to the wonderful scene where Gandalf is sitting there alone after he fails to persuade Faramir that he shouldn't ride out to his death - you can feel the weight of this tragedy on his shoulders and it's a great moment. Or when he's talking to Pippin about dying - that *can't* be the same man who whacks Denethor with his staff ... aaaargh!

Denethor would just be the kind of man capable of loving someone so passionately, so fiercely, that he could focus only on the one person, and be insanely jealous...

Heh! I had a line that I regretfully had to cut because it just didn't fit in - but it was basically that Boromir spent love like copper pennies thrown to a crowd and Denethor hoarded it like a dragon hoarding its gold. That's kind of how I see the two of them - that Denethor only has room in his heart for one (maybe two) people and that it hurts him that he's not the sole focus of Boromir's love as Boromir is the sole focus of his ... Man, I love the dynamics of that screwed-up family.

(You're making me feel sorry for Denethor now. That's quite a feat! ;)

Heh! ::is proud of self::

Ooh, Odysseus/Diomedes... (You know that in Dante's Inferno they're doomed to spend all eternity joined together in the same flame, yes? I always found that part so incredibly romantic... in its own twisted, sick way. ;)

Oh my, really? That is PERFECT :) Well, when I'm done with it (and that may be a while) I'll post it here where the mocking be more gentle and then see where else I might put it ... Pfft! I ain't writing no stinking Achilles, that's for sure ;)
19th-Feb-2004 03:09 pm (UTC)
Good, sweetie. Actually it's fabulously written. But it still isn't quite "enough". For me at least. Not if it is to salve us that were offended by Jackson's depiction of this.

Anyoldhow I am in such a foul one tonight - whatever.

We can discuss it remarkably soon, & I can't wait!
19th-Feb-2004 08:27 pm (UTC) - Re:
Awww! Hugs on the foul mood! And thanks for the kind words... I keep hoping against hope that there will be more stuff on Denethor in the EE that will make me like this version of him more, but ... it's hard to love the flaming torch scene! That's one of the instances where the book is just SO much better :( Too bad, because Jackson seems so *good* at conflicted characters that I'm surprised he took those nuances away from Denethor! Oh well - I can always go read ROTK again, can't I? :)
19th-Feb-2004 03:49 pm (UTC)
Wow. That was great! I've never been so glad to be on your friendslist, because otherwise, I would have missed this wonderful fanfic! Denethor's story has always been a tragic one, and I always felt more sympathetic towards him than angry. And put into context of what the Unfinished Tales says about Gandalf's reasons for coming to Minas Tirith, his reactions aren't really all that unreasonable. He isn't the nicest guy in the world, and given his upbringing in a time of war, and then the loss of his wife - I'm not surprised he was as cold as he was in the books.

I was terribly disappointed with RotK's treatment of Denethor, too, and I think the biggest issue is the fact that they took his dignity away. (Aside from Pippin's singing, I didn't particularly like the eating scene, which made him out to be far more barbaric than he likely was.) and Gandalf whacking him over the head with the staff was just too much. Despite his madness near the end, I don't think he was ever a coward. He just saw no way out. I guess despair is a form of cowardice, but still... I just couldn't imagine him saying "Flee for your lives!" It's far more likely that he'd just say "We'll all die anyway, why bother fighting?"

I do think John Noble did a pretty bang-up job considering the script he got, though. I very much loved the scene where he asked about Boromir's death.
19th-Feb-2004 08:40 pm (UTC) - Re:
I've never been so glad to be on your friendslist, because otherwise, I would have missed this wonderful fanfic!

That is extremely kind of you to say, but rest assured that I'm a big ho and will surely be posting this in more public places as well ... well, I already did post it on [info]sons_of_gondor ;) But I'm glad you're on my FL as well!

Denethor's story has always been a tragic one, and I always felt more sympathetic towards him than angry. And put into context of what the Unfinished Tales says about Gandalf's reasons for coming to Minas Tirith, his reactions aren't really all that unreasonable. He isn't the nicest guy in the world, and given his upbringing in a time of war, and then the loss of his wife - I'm not surprised he was as cold as he was in the books.

Exactly! He's not a NICE man, but he's not evil or an ogre - and I don't really like fanfic where he's depicted as beating his son or his wife ... I think he's a bitterly unhappy person who's not very good at, well, for want of a better word, LOVING people. He loves two people (possibly three, if we include Faramir at the end!) in his life, and they both die, and he's kind of responsible for the death of one of them, or at least feels horrendously guilty. I've been intrigued by Denethor from the first time I read ROTK and got that incredible visual of this man sitting as still as stone with the broken horn in his lap ... it's such a great portrait of someone destroyed by grief.

I was terribly disappointed with RotK's treatment of Denethor, too, and I think the biggest issue is the fact that they took his dignity away.

YUP! The guy in the movie is just NOT the person who Pippin likens more than once to Aragorn! I think it was a big mistake to have him be so deranged from the beginning - then he had nowhere to *go*. And the sad part is that it sounds like John Noble really GOT the character...

(Aside from Pippin's singing, I didn't particularly like the eating scene, which made him out to be far more barbaric than he likely was.)

I could see him *eating* but not the bad table manners and the slobbering and all that ... And I think taking away the Palantir just made him faintly ridiculous.

and Gandalf whacking him over the head with the staff was just too much.

That just makes me cringe - not just for Denethor but also for Gandalf. I keep thinking "but Gandalf wouldn't DO that!"

Despite his madness near the end, I don't think he was ever a coward. He just saw no way out. I guess despair is a form of cowardice, but still... I just couldn't imagine him saying "Flee for your lives!" It's far more likely that he'd just say "We'll all die anyway, why bother fighting?"

Again, massive agreement with you - I think Denethor succumbs to complete despair and his sin is that he just doesn't CARE what happens to everyone else because he's lost the one thing that he loves. So he *should* be busy BEING the Steward of Gondor and he's just sort of wallowing in his grief so he's sort of abandoning his post. But "run for your lives" makes no sense! Where are they supposed to run to anyway? And I love how he dies in the book - looking into the Palantir - so much more than the borderline campiness of that flaming rocket sequence. Sigh! Peter Jackson, why hast thou forsaken us in respect of Denethor?

I do think John Noble did a pretty bang-up job considering the script he got, though. I very much loved the scene where he asked about Boromir's death.

THAT was very much like the books. And as I said, I think Noble got the character's motivations down beautifully - it's just ... the script that kind of let things down a bit. I don't even understand it because they create these beautifully complex characterizations for both Boromir & Faramir - I don't see how they could ignore the father in that triangle. Sigh!
19th-Feb-2004 03:56 pm (UTC)
Oh, these are lovely, and it's a really interesting look at his motivations. I wish they'd included his palantir in the movies, as I loved that bit in the books. I really should read his sections of RotK again though, b/c after repeated viewings of the movie, it's hard to remember that when I read the books this summer, I was not overcome with such a profound dislike for him. The thing is, in the movies, it's more of an enjoyable hate - I think John Noble does a great job of making Denethor into someone who I love to hate.
19th-Feb-2004 08:43 pm (UTC) - Re:
Awww, thanks hon! I think my mental picture of Denethor has always been completely under the sway of that powerful image from the book of his sitting in this great big empty hall with the shards of Boromir's horn on his lap ... (and that, by the way, is the one scene of his from the movie that I really like!)

I just wish he'd had some more of the great dignity he has in the books - it makes his fall into madness and despair so much more powerful. I did really like John Noble in the role, though. And I get the "we love to hate him" part, but ... I dunno, I think he's just much more complicated than what we see in the movie.
19th-Feb-2004 06:14 pm (UTC)
This is terribly lovely and sad! Why do you have the post locked? You should let other people read it!
19th-Feb-2004 08:11 pm (UTC) - Re:
Heh! Well, I filter the fic posts because I know there are people on my FL who don't like reading 'em. But don't worry - I'm a big ho and I already posted it on [info]sons_of_gondor and if there's anywhere else a story about Denethor would be welcome, I'm sure I'll go post it there too :)

And thanks so much for your kind words!
19th-Feb-2004 08:13 pm (UTC)
*reads* *happysigh* *checks [info]sons_of_gondor* Aha! Good, I don't have to prod you. This is simply lovely. It's perfect and heartrending and exactly like I imagine Denethor's relationships to be. *more sighing* I'll try and give you better fb than this soon, but for now... &hearts
19th-Feb-2004 08:46 pm (UTC) - Re:
Aww, thank you! And yeah, I'm a big ho - of course I already made the public post ;) I look forward to hearing more about how fabulous I am Denethor ... Hee! I'm just kidding. And more than a bit loopy. Thanks for your kind words.
19th-Feb-2004 10:22 pm (UTC)
I really, really like this. I, too, was disappointed at the way Denethor was portrayed in the film - he wasn't the intriguing character he was in the books. Like you, I never liked the man, but I think he's interesting, especially in comparison to Theoden. Your story reminds me of why his death in RotK the book chilled me so much. Thanks for writing and posting it!

Oh, and we're overdue to start the next FotR discussion! Best get on that missy!
20th-Feb-2004 07:17 am (UTC) - Re:
Like you, I never liked the man, but I think he's interesting, especially in comparison to Theoden.

I think he and Theoden are like the polar opposites of the spectrum - it's one of the most fascinating things to me how both of these parents react to the deaths of beloved children and their feelings of loss and guilt (especially in the movies, I think Theoden feels terrible guilt that he basically didn't even realize his son was dying and never went to him and so on ... and Denethor, of course, has all this guilt about sending Boromir and then Faramir out to die as well ...)

Oh, and we're overdue to start the next FotR discussion! Best get on that missy!

Man, I have MASSIVE guilt - I've just had all these evenings out this week. And now my in-laws are coming for the weekend. But I'll write up my notes and post on Monday :) That's my assignment, yeah?

P.S. Glad you liked the story!
20th-Feb-2004 07:41 am (UTC) - Re:
Heh heh. Don't worry about it, I've been a little behind myself. I guess we could push everything back a week, and start TT the week of March 2nd instead of February 24. :)
20th-Feb-2004 07:45 am (UTC) - Re:
Or even March 9 ... I'm going to be away on a business trip the first week in March, so I can guarantee I won't be posting that week :) So, yeah, sounds like a plan to me!

You know, I'm having the oddest urge to go buy all the Unfinished Tales and all ... noooooo! Must. STOP.
20th-Feb-2004 01:22 am (UTC)
Aw, yay, you posted it!!! This is marvellous, darling: the flow is so much better, and the emotion builds from drabble to drabble, and you've done a great job connecting the earlier bits with the later.

See! THIS is what I mean about how well you edit and rewrite your stuff, to the point where everything is clear and true and beautiful.
20th-Feb-2004 08:12 am (UTC) - Re:
Awww, thanks, babe! And thank you SO much for your help - seriously, your suggestions were just totally spot-on and really made everything work for me :) I can't thank you enough.

21st-Feb-2004 10:51 am (UTC)
Absolutely wonderful! Spot on from beginning to end and I've got goosebumps now. As [info]fileg would say, I'm waaay under the couch.
21st-Feb-2004 11:19 am (UTC) - Re:
Awww, thank you! I know you, like me, weren't so happy about Movie Denethor!!
21st-Feb-2004 11:54 am (UTC) - Re:
Indeed, that's how we met, I think. If I could change one thing... But I will thank PJ gladly if he had anything to do with inspiring this illuminating series.
23rd-Feb-2004 08:00 am (UTC) - Re:
Oh, that is very kind of you to say so ... I can't REALLY be too cross about Denethor, because PJ also gave me Movie Boromir and I love him so very, VERY much ... But yes, the germ of this one really started with my first viewing of ROTK and my dissatisfaction with how this one character came out ;)
21st-Feb-2004 05:06 pm (UTC)