PMBQ ([info]pmbq) wrote,
@ 2005-03-28 22:33:00
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Women in Manga/Comics
Observations on the women portrayed within shoujo (Actually, this link contains another link with the "Women in Shoujo" essay, but I found Christopher's commentary/blog to be worth checking out)

Observations from a woman working in the comics industry

The first link inspired the second one, which is written by Elin Winkler of Radio Comix. I pretty much agree with every point that she brings up. Honestly, I am not a big fan of the majority of the new anime series these days, because it almost all seems the same to me. Wimpy, unassuming, socially-retarded guy with harems of beautiful women vying for his affection? Perfect, air-headed, robot-girl love? What kind of "substance" is that? I'm not saying that every anime has to teach a meaningful lesson or be a "realistic" reflection of reality, but as a woman in this field I am frustrated to see such overwhelmingly frequent messaging. I suppose it's to be expected, since it's still a male-dominated industry, but I always try to hope for the best in these more modern times.

When I first started drawing comics, I used to be very concerned with portraying women in a powerful light. Almost all of my early published works (i.e. my old Ninja High School submissions in the mid-90's) reflect these ideas. It used to be one of my personal goals to spread a more "feminist" approach throughout the comic industry.

Now that I'm older, I know what an ambitious and difficult task that is. I haven't stopped thinking about that early goal, but I also don't want it to hamper the kinds of stories that I write and draw. I feel that simply existing as a woman working in comics already makes a statement, and I can choose how far to take that. Currently, I take a more relaxed and natural approach to my work, which means never compromising my personal comfort for the sake of a buck (that means no overt-ly fan-service art from me ^_-). Also, the majority of the female characters that I write tend to be on the stronger side and are not afraid to express themselves. I have difficulty identifying with many of the "softer, weak-willed" women that are often in today's anime/manga.

I would have to say that my work ends up being a touch on the feminist side simply due to the fact that I am interested in all that is about being a woman (and yes, to you lurkers who don't know me, I AM a woman :P). I do realize that a part of my work ends up being a self-exploration, whether it's in the process or the end result.

One part of Elin's post struck a chord within me. She writes about standing up for herself and being called a bitch. I remember a similar story where I stood up for myself (over a feminist ideal, no less ^_^;) and ended up embarrassing my male friend because I was being "rude in front of his friend." I wasn't ashamed for standing up for myself, but I was pretty upset that no one was taking my side. Ah, it's just a part of the every day struggle of being a woman. And not just a woman, but a small woman that is easily overlooked and underestimated. (Hmm, how many times have I been dissed by mediocre male artists until they find out I've been published? Oh, that's a totally different rant XD) I'm fully aware of how others might perceive me and am always seeking to turn it around. I guess there is some fun to being something of an underdog.

At any rate...yes, these links that I posted above reminded me of who I am and that those issues about women in comics/shoujo will always concern me.




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[info]nexxorcist
2005-03-29 07:04 am UTC (link)
well i dunno mai, maybe you should come by my harem of beautiful robot women sometime. lol, jk

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[info]pmbq
2005-03-29 07:12 am UTC (link)
Hmm, well, you're not what I'd call a wimpy, socially-retarded guy, so....does that make your robot harem OK?!!! DAMN YOU JIMMY XD

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[info]yoseshiro
2005-03-29 08:27 am UTC (link)
Loyal goddess girls?... Robot girls that takes order?.. Harems of girls after nerdy boys?... I think I can see the appeal in that. XD

I find Beldandy boring and pretty spineless. XD


These are pretty interesting articles. It gave me more respect for the female comic artists.

Roar on sis! =D

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[info]chiaki777
2005-03-29 09:19 am UTC (link)
Wish I could comment on what she said, it was terribly poigniant.

I agree with her. If I could comment on her journal I'd say

"I seriously applaud you on the comment. It is very true. There are indeed people that believe magical robot girls exist in every girl.

I would know, I hang out with a few, and I am one to a certain extent.

I really find it disturbing when girls are labled as docile or "managable" things, because frankly, girls that can kick ass seem much more cool than any other kind of girl.

And yes, I'd love to see a butlerxmaster comic. Everyone knows, in Hellsing Walter and Integra are really cool."

Now... back to writing my lemons on harem girls....

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[info]uminomamori
2005-03-29 04:52 pm UTC (link)
If I see any more maid anime I will have to scream ;)

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[info]ohmisunao
2005-03-29 08:15 pm UTC (link)
In a lot of ways there's the same sort of thing happening in shoujo manga where a typical/unpopular girl is surrounded suddenly by heroic studly men or something a la Fushigi Yuugi. But I see what you're saying. I'm not particularly interested in the AMG and Tenchi Muyos of the world.. been there done that and it's really boring for me nowadays. I tend to label all of these types of anime "Fan fodder" since they seem to be aimed at socially deficient otaku types. There must be a lot of people like this though since the market is pandering heavily to them.

Some ideas I've had for "solving" this problem is to try to write female characters who are feminine without playing up stereotypes.. as well as having them feel more realistic in their ways or reactions to other characters. I don't think female characters need to be powerful to be convincing. She doesn't have to kick ass. I think she just needs to be written in a convincing manner. Some of my favorite portrayals of women in anime would be: Omohide Poro Poro, Umi ga Kikoeru, Perfect Blue, Jin Roh.. All of these characters seemed real and tangible as actual women might be. I wouldn't ask you to agree agree with me but for me these were some good representations.

What do you think? Who are your favorite female characters?

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[info]pmbq
2005-03-29 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I guess what I would like to see is a more diverse range of characters, period. It seems like there are so many "stock" kinds of characters that get recycled day-in and day-out, especially with the majority of anime out being released and produced today. Of course, when it comes to female characters, I tend to take more notice in hopes that I might identify with something out there (not that this is a conscious act, but in analyzing myself I know I do it...I think we all subconsciously look for that character to identify with).

I agree with you in that female characters don't need to be "kick ass" to be convincing. It would be nice to just see some more human, "normal" traits in their personalities...and not have them be chastised for it, or have them be apologetic about it. You know, like the way guys are! (I guess I shouldn't really say that, because men and women are completely different animals ^_^;)

As for my favorite female characters, there are a lot that I enjoy but few that I especially endear to. The last character that I really, really liked was Ichi-kun Ichinohei from Ninja High School. In the comic world, Tomoe Ame and Inazuma (both from Usagi Yojimbo) are perennial favorites. I enjoy Makie from Blade but I usually don't think too much about her. At any rate, I must have a thing for women warriors, hehe ^_^;

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[info]naruto_nerd
2005-03-30 04:17 am UTC (link)
that's part of the reason why yaoi was born

who wants to support the pairing of some wimpy ass bimbo with a hot guy when you can just put two men together and laugh about it.

XD

+++++ studies show men and women are more similar than different, it's just that we as humans notice differences more than similarities, so in our minds we blow up the differences till it's omgz huge issue.

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