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08 May 2004 @ 10:10 am
Summary for Angel 5.22  


Not Fade Away

[The missing act breaks (1 and 4) have been added -- sorry about that, folks! I was typing too fast this morning, obviously]

We begin with a "Previously" which recaps the last scene in Power Play -- Angel plans to kill every member of the Circle of the Black Thorn, which will bring down the Senior Partners' wrath, and he needs everyone's help, if they want to give it, because it's a suicide mission.

TEASER

Everyone's hand is in the air, Angel raises his. "So, we're agreed?" "Yeah," says Spike, "We're one big happy Manson family." Angel explains that they have to take them out one by one, because there's no way they could go up against the entire Circle at once. Gunn suggests bringing Illyria in, but Angel doesn't trust her. Lorne says not to worry about that, she was happy enough to babysit Drogyn for them -- wait, she was with Drogyn? Drogyn who Angel just had to kill to prove his loyalty to the Circle of the Black Thorn? But before he can get another word out, Angel suddenly punches Spike in the face.

Offscreen, we hear Hamilton, "Sorry, didn't know you were in conference." "Just making a closing statement," says Angel, in complete control. He "finishes" by telling Wes that Illyria is his responsibility, and make sure she doesn't get twitchy. He dismisses them. Hamilton tells Angel that he has a problem, no, not with his employees, with his new friends. And no, it can't wait.

ACT ONE

The gang arrives at Spike's place to find it a wreck, Illyria on the floor in a heap, and the Crash Bandicoot music still playing from the TV. Illyria doesn't look alive. Gunn suggests checking her pulse, then pauses, "Is she supposed to have a pulse?" She revives, weakly, and is able to tell them that Hamilton took Drogyn. Lorne starts getting paranoid again, asking how can they still trust Angel, how can they now know what's next? Gunn says they don't have to trust Angel, they just have to be confident the Circle does.

Meanwhile, in the Circle's headquarters, a dark spoooooky opening ritual is going on. When it finishes, the Archduke begins to frankly tell Angel that his people are a problem, that Angel needs to control them better, especially Wes, who they percieve as a threat. ("He seems....talented. And intriguingly unstable.") But, continues the Archduke, that's really not the problem. Vail cries out -- the Pee Pee Demon is tangled in his tubes again. Angel grabs the Pee Pee Demon and shoves him at the Duke. Anyway, continues the Duke, the problem is this, pulling out a parchment scroll. "That's the Shanshu Prophecy," says Angel. "The original," says the Duke. What the Circle needs him to do is sign away, in blood, any chance that Angel will ever earn his humanity. (Which, editorially, is all very well and compelling, but if we've learned anything from this show, isn't it that that sort of thing never works? The Father Will Kill The Son, anyone? The son of the vampire with a soul will kill Sahjhan? But anyway.) Angel says that it doesn't bother him in the least, he has no desire to be human anyway. Izzy slams a pen down on the table, through Angel's hand, and Angel signs.

Back at his office, Angel is talking to Harmony. Seemingly out of nowhere, he asks her if she ever misses being human, having only been turned 5 years ago and all. She thinks about it and says, not really...though the way her heart beat when she kissed a really hot boy for the first time was pretty cool. Angel says he can't remember what being human was like at all, it was just too long ago. (Really? Even IWRY?) At this point, Harmony gets a clue and says she knows something's going down, and she wants to be a part of it. Angel gives her the task of distracting Hamilton while he goes and does "One last thing I don't want to."

In a W&H conference room, Lindsey tells Angel, "You have to be joking." "I'm not known for my jokes," says Angel, "Mostly I think that's 'cause people don't get me." Angel then goes on to say that it's not about Lindsey trusting Angel, it's about the Wolf, Ram and Hart (the firm's Earthly name appears to be a thing of the past), "the ones we've been fighting against forever." Lindsey tells Angel he can't beat them, and Angel says they're not there to be beaten, they're there to be fought. Hoping nobody remembers BtVS S7, Angel says "Maybe the Senior Partners are what evil really is. Intangible. Incorporeal. In us. And maybe fighting them is what makes human beings so remarkably strong." Lindsey starts to argue that this fight isn't about the kind of strength that humans have to resist the evil within them, it's about fighting incredibly powerful demons hand-to-hand. But Angel can't stop thinking about how once, this world belonged to demons, and now, it doesn't. He asks Lindsey to spare him the Hell on Earth speech, he knows how much sway demons hold in this world. Hell, he's "the greatest mass murderer you ever met." "And I've never given you props for that," replies Lindsey. Anyway, Angel says, it's mostly that Lindsey's strong, and Angel wants him on his side. He also wants Lindsey to take over the firm for him when they're done taking it apart, if they win. "Suppose you come up snake eyes?" asks Lindsey. "You'll talk your way out of it," says Angel, "Tell 'em I forced you to help me. Tell 'em I made my scary face." "Believe it or not," says Lindsey, "I was actually asking about you. You don't care about being squished like a bitty bug?" "You haven't heard a word I've said," says Angel, "From like, years back." "You get speechy, I breeze out. I get the cliff nots: honor humanity, absolute good." But here's the twist, he's in. Angel asks why. Lindsey says that all anyone ever talks about is Angel's soul, but nobody ever mentions the fact "that what you really are is a vampire with huge brass testes!" This is a HUGE fight, and Lindsey's not going to be left out of it. So he's on the team. "I want you, Lindsey," says Angel. "...I'm thinking about rephrasing that." "I'd be more comfortable," replies Lindsey.

Back at Spike's apartment, Wes is still nursing Illyria. He tells Gunn that he needs supplies from home, and Lorne asks what they'll do if Hamilton shows up again. "Hamilton did this?" asks Angel, stepping in. He gets the whole story, and Gunn asks what's going to happen if the Circle needs any more proof of his loyalty. Angel says that's not going to happen, because "we're killing them all tonight."

ACT TWO

In Spike's apartment, Angel tells them all to take the day doing whatever they want, because it will probably be their last day alive. Cut to a montage of...

Lorne, in front of a microphone, sings his heart out at a karaoke bar.

Angel, in a coffee shop, sits and waits. He looks up, says "Hi," and we pull back to reveal Connor, who sits down across from him.

In a pub, Spike slams an empty shot glass onto the counter. The bartender warns him that it can get pretty ugly in there, but Spike says that's what he's looking for. "Your funeral," says the bartender. "Well," says Spike, "I never did have a proper one."

Outside the shelter, Anne is loading furniture and boxes into a truck. Gunn walks up, makes small talk, and asks her what she'd be doing if she knew none of it mattered, if she knew that everything was controlled by forces more powerful and uncaring than human beings can concieve, and it will never, ever, ever get any better. "I'd get this truck packed before the new stuff gets here," she says. "You wanna give me a hand?" Gunn does.

In Spike's apartment, Wes is tending to Illyria. "I do not understand," she says. Well, this will help you heal faster, he explains, if you really do intend to help us in this fight. "I will fight," she says, "I have been broken and humiliated and I will return in kind every blow, every sting. I will shred my adversaries. Pull their eyes out just enough to turn them towards their mewing, mutilated faces." "You're a very inspirational person, have I mentioned that?" says Wes. But seriously, says Illyria, Angel told you to do whatever you wanted today, and here you are with me, why? "Didn't I go off and have one last perfect day? Smell the flowers, or skydive, or have a go with Mistress Spanksalot or whatever the hell one's supposed to do in these situations?" "Mistress who?" "There is no perfect day for me, Illyria. There is no sunset, or painting, or finely aged scotch that's going to sum up my life and make tonight any...there's nothing I want." Illyria says he wants to be with Fred, and he agrees, yes, if he could, that's how he'd be spending his last day. Illyria offers to be Fred for him, but he says no, one of the first things he learned at the Watcher's Academy was to separate truth and illusion, and so he'll live with the truth, however miserable it may be. Illyria looks at him and says "You are... not an inspirational person like me." No, says Wes, I guess I'm not. They look at each other.

Spike, now sufficiently drunk, is onstage at the same pub, with a microphone. The sign on the wall says "McTarnan's Poetry Slam." Spike slams. "Midnight descends in raven-colour'd clothes / But soft -- behold! -- a sunlight beam / cutting a swath of glimmering gleam / My heart expands -- 'tis grown a bulge in't / Inspired by your beauty...effulgent." There is a pause, and then wild applause breaks out, with stomping and cheering and whistling. "That was brave!" someone yells from the back. "Thank you!" says Spike, "That was for Cecily! All right, this next one is called The Wanton Folly of Me Mum...."

Angel and Connor are still in the coffee shop, talking. Angel's been telling him about Nina, and Connor asks if it's the wolf thing, "There's some full moon love, am I right? Fur flying..." "There's no fur!" says Angel, "I would never...fur..." "So," says Connor, "Vampires really don't understand the concept of 'jokes.'" Angel is slightly miffed. "I understand jokes," he says, "I was at the first taping of The Carol Burnett Show." Changing the subject, Connor says "I know you're my father." This catches Angel off-guard. "You got your memories back," he says. Connor nods. "They're mixed in there with the new ones. It's more like a...bad dream I had, I guess. A really strange, violent...at times, inappropriately erotic dream." Angel says he must have so many questions, but Connor cuts him off, saying he doesn't want to make a thing. "I get what you did. You know, I'm grateful and that's as far as I wanna take it. Okay?" Okay. (YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Sorry, Connor fangirl moment. But isn't he just the best ever? I. Love. Him. So. Much. But I digress.) Angel asks Connor what he's working on, and Connor says he's putting together his resume so he can apply for internships over the summer. Angel offers to help, and Connor asks if he's ever written a resume, ever. No, says Angel, "But I have very nice handwriting." "You girl," scoffs Connor. "Hey," says Angel as we slowly pull back on the tableau of father and son, "Good penmanship used to be a sign of masculinity." "When," asks Connor, "Like, in the eighteenth century?" "The latter half," says Angel.

In a W&H office, Eve and Lindsey are making out. Eve seems distracted, and Lindsey asks what's on her mind. "Angel," she says. "There simply could not be a worse answer than that," says Lindsey. No really, says Eve, you know what I mean. "I do," says Lindsey. "It's nice to know you're one of the few things in my life Angel never did get his mitts on." "Yeah, it's nice," says Eve, quickly, "But we should really talk about his plan." Blah blah Eve is worried, Lindsey isn't, but Eve is going to stay away from the fight. Good, good, thinks the audience, keep her far, far offscreen.

The perfect day is over. We're back in Spike's apartment, the entire gang gathered for Angel's Last Big Speech. "This may come out a little pretentious," he begins, "But one of you will betray me." Spike's hand shoots up. Angel continues, giving each of them their assignments. Wesley will take Vail, since he's the sorcerer of the bunch, and already suspects that Wes will try to make a play for Angel's position, which will get him inside Vail's house. Illyria will be taking out Izzy and three other members, who dine together almost every night. "I'll make trophies of their spines," she says. Gunn will take out Senator Brucker and her vampire guards. Gunn is glad, he misses the old vamp-killing days. Spike, before Angel can say anything to him, says "First off, I'm not wearing any amulets. No bracelets, broaches, beads, pendants, pins, or rings." Angel says that's fine, all he'll need is a rattle. His assignment is to rescue the baby, and kill all of the Fell Brethren. Angel will be taking the Archduke of Sebassis for himself. Lorne's assignment is just to back up Lindsey. Lorne isn't happy at all. He doesn't trust Lindsey, and doesn't want to be a part of this. But Angel says that Lindsey is on their team now.

Meanwhile, in Harmony's bedroom, she's sipping blood from a glass as she cuddles with Hamilton. "Anyway," she says, "About Angel's secret plan..."

ACT THREE

Angel has finished explaining the plan -- they won't be coming back to the offices at all. Whoever survives will meet in the alley behind the Hyperion when it's over. Lorne says he'll do this one last thing, but he won't be at the Hyperion. He's out, leaving, and they shouldn't try to look for him. Illyria tells Gunn "Try not to die. You are not unpleasant to my eyes." Gunn returns the compliment, shakes her hand, and heads out the door. Wes and Angel look at each other and have a moment. Wes leaves, followed by Illyria. Left alone with Angel, Spike asks him what he thinks about the Shanshu thing -- could this be the big moment when one of them becomes a real boy? "Who are you kidding?" says Angel, "We're not gonna make it through." Spike takes that in, nods, and says, "Well...long as it's not you."

Vail is eating dinner in his mansion. Across the table, Wesley is explaining why he came to Vail, while slowly casting a spell under the table. A ball of light begins to form...

In the sanctuary of the Fell Brethren, we hear a baby crying, and a line of Brethren walking down a corridor. The last one in the line looks around -- it's Spike.

Angel, heading for the elevator, tells Harmony one last time to keep Hamilton busy, which she's happy to do. Angel stops at the Wall O' Weaponry and picks up a big sword ("intricately carved, oddly shaped, not your everyday sword" -- well, at least they didn't call it a scythe). He turns around to see Hamilton standing there. They speak, then fight. Hamilton throws Angel through the glass window and into the lobby. "Oh my God!" shrieks Harmony, "He's not my boyfriend! I mean I certainly didn't betray you!" Angel tells her to drop the act, he always knew she'd turn on him, it's what she does. Harmony says she might have been able to be more loyal if he'd had any confidence in her. Angel says no, it's because she has no soul. "I would if you had confidence in me," she says. Angel tells her get out of the building, she's fired. She asks if she can at least have a letter of reccomendation and he says yes, it's already in her desk. She wishes both Angel and Hamilton good luck, and scampers off. The fight resumes, complete with manly banter.

ACT FOUR

The banter turns to taunting as Hamilton is obviously winning this fight. "Did you really think you could kill the Archduke Sebassis?" he asks. "No," says Angel, "I think I already did." We flash to Sebassis in the bathtub, a glass off blue blood on the side. He takes a sip, shudders, and dies just in time to see the Pee Pee Demon dead in the corner, frothing at the mouth. We quickly flash back to earlier, at the Circle meeting, and this time, see Angel stab the Pee Pee Demon with a spiked ring as he shoves him towards Sebassis. Back to the present moment, Angel says to Hamilton," I figured *you* were the one I needed to be alone with." "So I could kill you?" asks Hamilton. "Well," says Angel, "I thought the fight would be going a little better."

In the Fell Brethren sanctuary, Spike lifts the baby out of its bassinet. He is quickly surrounded by angry Brethren, who he plunges into battle with, still holding the baby. (Please please please let this look less stupid than the fighting-with-baby did in Dad.)

Wesley continues to talk as the ball of light is still forming under the table. He hurls the ball at Vail, who is thrown against the wall. Vail starts to laugh, rips his tubes out, stands, and says "You don't know who you're dealing with, do you, boy? I mean, really. I crap better magic than this." He flicks his fingers, and Wes goes flying.

In a demon bar, two figures crash through the door. Lindsey strides in casually, sword at his hips. He starts swinging...

Izzy and three human members of the Circle are getting into a black Towncar. The headlights go on, illuminating Illyria, standing in front of the car, waiting for them.

Angel and Hamilton continue to fight. The lobby has at this point been nearly destroyed -- walls coming down, Harm's desk split in two, etc. "You know, the blue chick hit a lot harder," says Hamilton. Hamilton then asks why Angel keeps fighting, since he's signed away his Shanshu. "The people who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do," says Angel. "Yeah," says Hamilton, "But we won't care!" A fist connect with Hamilton's jaw, sending him crashing back into Angel's office. "Care about THAT, Dress-for-Less?" says Connor. (YAY! CONNOR!) Angel asks Connor what the hell he's doing here. "Come on," Connor says, "You drop by for a cup of coffee and the world's NOT ending? Please." (Editorial note, remember when Willow tore Angel a new one about Buffy, all those years back? "Two hundred years old and you don't have time for coffee?" she said. And now he does have time for coffee! With Connor! </fangirl> Wait, that tag doesn't close.)

Izzy's Towncar is in pieces. There are body parts and body fluids everywhere. Illyria walks away.

Senator Brucker is in her office, on the phone. Far behind her, we see Gunn approaching, taking out vampire guards as he goes. As he gets closer, we get some old-school Gunn vamp-killing action. Oh, yeah.

At W&H, in a shot that could easily be cut if they needed the time, Eve paces, nervously.

At the demon bar, Lorne is gingerly walking over body parts towards the bar as Lindsey washes his hands in the sink. Lorne compliments Lindsey on his swordsmanship, and Lindsey thanks Lorne for his help. "Couldn't have done it without the high note in Macarthur Park." Lindsey wonders how the rest of the team is doing, and then muses on how odd it is to be saying "team." He kind of likes the feeling. (Awwwwwwwww...) Lorne says he's leaving, it's not his line of work anymore, and it isn't Lindsey's either. Lindsey asks why Lorne still doesn't trust him, and offers to sing for him. "I've heard you sing," says Lorne, as he pulls out a pistol and shoots Lindsey in the chest. Lindsey staggers back, shocked. "You're not part of the solution, Lindsey," says Lorne, "You never will be." Lindsey is furious. "YOU killed me? You don't kill me! Angel kills me! A flunky! I'm not some...Angel kills me...Angel..." And with Angel's name the last word on his lips, he dies. Lorne drops the gun and walks out.

At Vail's, Wes isn't in good shape. Through the pain, he says "Then I'll just have to do this the old fashioned way..." and his wrist-knife thingy slides out, and he stabs at Vail. But Vail's not there anymore -- he's already on the other side of the room, holding a large curved dagger. "I suppose we will," says Vail, and he slams the blade into Wes' stomach. With his last bit of strength, Wes summons one more energy ball, and explodes it, sending Vail flying. Vail goes down, and doesn't get up. Wes clutches his stomach, blood flowing through his fingers, as Illyria enters. "I killed all of mine," she says, "And I was..." "Concerned?" Wesley finishes for her. "I think so," she says, "But I can't help. You'll be dead within minutes." Wes knows. Illyria touches his face and asks, "Would you like me to lie to you now?" Wes smiles. "Yes," he says. "Thank you, yes." Another hand touches Wes' face, this time, it's Fred's. "Hello there," he says. "Wesley..my Wesley..." she says. "I've missed you," he says. She kisses him, softly, kisses his forehead, and whispers, "It's gonna be okay...it won't hurt much longer. And then you'll be where I am...we'll be together." She is beginning to cry, looking at him. "I love you," he says. "I love you...shhh...my love...oh, my love...." She lays him down. He his dead.

Vail is standing behind her. "How very touching his meaningless death was," he says. "But this fight was never for mortals. Take your best shot, little girl." Fred stands up, slowly, eyes narrowed. She pulls her first back, and (in extreme slow-motion), she changes back to Illyria as the punch lands on Vail's face. She hits him so hard his head explodes.

[That scene? Makes me cry just reading it.]

Meanwhile, Hamilton is still winning, even against both Angel and Connor. He smacks Connor across the room, taking him out of the fight. "Let me say this as clearly as I can," Hamilton says, "You. Can. Not. Beat. Me. I'm part of them. The Wolf, Ram, and Hart. Their strength flows through my veins. My blood is filled with their ancient power." Angel freezes, suddenly calm. "Can you pick out the one word there you probably shouldn't have said?" He goes into gameface and lunges at Hamilton, sinking his fangs into his neck. Hamilton can't throw him off until Angel is finished drinking. He stands up, in human face again, and says "Wow. You really are full of it." (You know the moment in The Princess Bride where Inigo and The Man In Black have finally both switched to their right hands? This is that moment.) The battle is now met. Hamilton continues to taunt, saying "You don't think you're gonna win this, do you? You don't have a chance. We are legion. We are forever." Angel pummels him, dropping Hamilton to his knees, and says, in-between blows (er -- punches), "Then I guess...foever...just...got..A HELL..OF A LOT...SHORTER!" He cracks him one last good one in the jaw, and then snaps Hamilton's neck. "Is he dead?" asks Connor. Yes, says Angel, he's dead. The building starts to shake, and Connor knows that's not good. "Wolfram and Hart," says Angel. "Looks like they're taking the gloves off." He tells Connor to go home, this is his fight. Connor starts to argue, but as he tries to step forward, he doubles over with pain. "You have to go home now," says Angel. "They'll destroy you," says Connor. "As long as you're okay," says Angel, "they can't."

(YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!)

Connor leaves.

Angel is walking through the crumbling W&H building. He encounters Eve, who asks what's going on, and where the hell is Lindsey? "He's not coming for you," says Angel. "It's time to go." They leave.

Angel is the first to arrive in the alley. Spike is right behind him, now baby-free. Gunn walks up next, just barely alive. He's not surprised that Spike and Angel survived their fights, but he himself is obviously in really, really bad shape. Illyria drops into frame (from a rooftop), and says "Wesley is dead." As Spike, Angel, and Gunn take this in, she continues, "I am feeling grief for him. I don't seem to be able to control it. I wish to do more violence."

A thunderclap, and the sound of marching. Various other spooky scary sounds indicate that the SP's are as pissed off as Angel thought they would be. They all look up to see the monster army marching towards them in the sky, including (yes) a dragon circling. "Okay," says Gunn, "you take the 30,000 on the left..." "You are fading," says Illyria, "You'll last ten minutes." "Let's make 'em memorable," says Gunn.

"In terms of a plan?" asks Spike.

"We fight," says Angel.

"Bit more specific?"

"Well, personally...I kinda wanna slay the dragon."

There is a tremendous roar as the horde of horribles charge.

Close on Angel, sword in hand.

"Let's go to work."

Something comes into frame, and he swings the sword down, teeth gritted, the battle engaged.

END OF SERIES



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Cindy: Buffy[info]cindyamb on May 8th, 2004 10:23 am (UTC)
Hoping nobody remembers BtVS S7, Angel says "Maybe the Senior Partners are what evil really is. Intangible. Incorporeal.

BWAH!
Cindy[info]cindyamb on May 8th, 2004 10:45 am (UTC)
I just finished. I didn't skim this one. I read it. Unbelievable. It's going to rock. I'm making my mind up now, to not mind any cheesy CGI or big rubber snakes. The story is there. That's what matters.
(no subject) - [info]alterjess on May 8th, 2004 04:40 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]denisef on May 9th, 2004 09:51 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]cindyamb on May 9th, 2004 09:58 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]denisef on May 9th, 2004 09:59 am (UTC)
Archivesgrrl[info]archivesgrrl on May 8th, 2004 10:58 am (UTC)
Are the breaks between acts accurate? Because the teaser and act three look reaaaaaaaaaalllly long and I've read some comments that "there is no act four" might mean there is room for a resolution after what we have here. (Personally, I think it's a great ending as it stands, but I'd feel better if I knew where the 3/4 break was, too.)

Thanks for posting this! Sounds amazing.
(no subject) - [info]alterjess on May 8th, 2004 04:35 pm (UTC)
Minim Calibre[info]minim_calibre on May 8th, 2004 11:11 am (UTC)
(sniff)

I'm gonna cry and cry and cry.
(no subject) - [info]alterjess on May 8th, 2004 04:57 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]cindyamb on May 11th, 2004 04:38 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]denisef on May 9th, 2004 09:49 am (UTC)
jwaneeta[info]jwaneeta on May 8th, 2004 11:27 am (UTC)
Thank you. That took a lot of the sting out. Even if it's a cliffy, it's a cliffy with great dialogue.

*braces self*
Lynn[info]rhythmchyc on May 8th, 2004 01:25 pm (UTC)
Undoubtedly better than Buffy's
I don't even think of this as a cliffhanger. We all know they're gonna win, even if some die. I don't care about the details, really.

What happens after they win is the real end. No Wesley?

And No SP? No big bad? What'll the world be like without them? But a world without the SP is like the real end, which cannot be in a show like this-- reality in fantasy. There always has to be a force causing this evil, as there has been since Buffy's inception, and there will continue to be. This was a fitting ending in my book.
Re: Undoubtedly better than Buffy's - [info]disconcision on May 9th, 2004 04:53 pm (UTC)
R Greenstone: mirax_terrik[info]greenstone_j on May 8th, 2004 04:41 pm (UTC)
I can't help it, I'm LMAO at the dragon line... A very big Awwwwwwww! about Wes....and there is a lot in there that makes me laugh...*crosses fingers that it comes off even better on the screen so it can be a TV moment of 'damn, what a final that was!'*
[info]wolf116 on May 8th, 2004 06:49 pm (UTC)
I just hate that we won't be seeing the big fight. That's what Angel is all about and we won't get to see the fight to end them all.
Reading the Wes/Illyria scene broke my heart.
Connor is totally cool here, and the line that Angel says about as long as Connor is alive he isn't gone. Probably one of the best lines I could imagine Angel ever saying. Hopefully the scene will be as tear worthy as it seems it will be.
Then the whole scene with Illyria/Gunn, the last one, I have to admit that it seems tear worthy too. If it plays out right on the screen, which I hope that it does.
Spike what can I say, but he's my favorite character of all time, from any show or movie. I'm glad he's still standing at the end, and gets some really good dialog with Angel. If it plays out as it reads, it's going to be a good one.
Still the cliffy and no fight, squicks me. I wanna see them kick the demon horde's butts. Just for the reason that I love to see them all fight. Angel and Spike back to back fighting with everything they have in them, would so be the best scene of the whole series, because they both kick some serious booty, alone, just think what they could do together.
Wannabe Wonder Boy[info]cleo_phat_ra on May 8th, 2004 10:05 pm (UTC)
whoa
Hella nice ending, but.....wow....i PRAY TO WHOEVER that the WB does mini-movies next year....
nemily[info]nemily on May 9th, 2004 01:19 am (UTC)
nooooo no more there must be more
I so completely cried with the wesley bit.
ohmigod.
although he wasn't really living without Fred was he? Her death made his death more certain because you take all not just some risks when you have nothing to live for don't you?
i love wesley he is my favourite character. I hope Alexis gets more work not being a russian mafia guy because I think he is great.

thankyou for posting this. I am in Australia and we only just got "You're Welcome"
(Anonymous) on May 9th, 2004 05:20 am (UTC)
angel finale and movies
i so hope they do the movies this is so gonna be the best episode out of any buffy or angel episodes.
Now buffy can appear and help them so they can have an army of slayers helping them and then spike will finally die for good and angel will live and turn into a real boy in front of buffy and all live happily ever after.
Re: angel finale and movies - [info]lauryne on May 12th, 2004 10:41 pm (UTC)
[info]mysticsolace on May 9th, 2004 08:25 am (UTC)
that ROCKED. you're a saint for keeping us all posted. how exciting!
Chance Hoffman[info]chatin on May 9th, 2004 04:33 pm (UTC)
I personally think that any movies done should take place after all is said and done. It would make it much more shocking to see Buffy and whoever else meet up with whoever is left over after this fight. Could you imagine the movie beginning, and Buffy meeting Gunn and Illyria only to find out that Spike and Angel were both staked? Oh my..
For $13, I'll BE a macadamia nut![info]feigenbaum_04 on May 9th, 2004 05:18 pm (UTC)
Oh.My.Gawd.
Ugh. I just had to take this one in for a moment. Every single Wes and Illyria moment just kills me. Every Illyria scene, I curse the WB for cancelling the show. She would have been SO COOL next season. I am going to cry during Wes' death scene.

Thanks for the detailed info.
(Anonymous) on May 9th, 2004 05:21 pm (UTC)
Buffy and Angel
All I can say is.. I'm going into mourning after Angel is over. All black and no smiles. Although they better make a movie because Buffy needs to come back and Angel needs to turn human so they can have mad sex and I can start screaming untill my lungs brust and then I can start smiling again and wearing pink clothing.
Re: Buffy and Angel - [info]lauryne on May 12th, 2004 10:43 pm (UTC)
-=| Nullafy |=- V7 - Jennifer Garner is my Alias[info]nullafy on May 9th, 2004 08:09 pm (UTC)
Wow, got the link from spoilerslayer and I just have to say, Excellent.
Harmony seemed pretty cool! I hope we get to see more of her if there is ever anything more.
[info]buffy_and_angel on May 10th, 2004 09:35 am (UTC)
I am afraid I disagree with all of you!
This seems to be a very well-written story with a good plot...
HOWEVER...


I HATE IT!


I am sorry, but everyone is getting killed off in the Buffy/Angel series. Fred died (mostly), Cordelia died, Westly dies, Anya died, Tara died, Spike died (but came back). Gunn is as good as dead, and Lorne isn't dead, just gone. Now I am not saying that people should not die, but it just leaves so little room in case they want to come back w/ a mini series or something.

For some reason I think that this show has some sort of Vendetta against it's female actors. For the longest time there was only Cordelia, then Fred came into the picture. New Cordelia is gone and Fred is some sort of Demon. I won't even count Harmony because I don't think that she is worth my time. I do realize that Charisma wanted to leave the series, so I won't blame the writers for that. However, it seems like the only other female actor that came close to being a regular was 'Eve.' Common now, you can't just have a show with male actors. It doesn't seem natural.

Also, I am almost positive that the entire crew of Angel will die. They were hopelessly outnumbered, and a dragon could toast Spike and Angel instantly. Besides if this script is accurate, then what happened to the rest of the world? I mean, do you think that people would not notice a dragon flying around and a huge army? The 'underworld' of vampires and demons would be exposed.

As for the Shanshu Prophecy I never really believed that Angel would get to be human. As we saw an Angel Season 1 (I Will Remember You) when Angel became human. It was later hinted that Angel would want to be human, but I don't think that he would ever be satisfied with a human life with mortality and no powers. With Buffy thinking that he's joined to 'dark side' he has no real reason to become human.

Also...

WHAT ABOUT BUFFY???

Common...
David had a guest spot on Buffy's finale, Sarah couldn't do the same? I realize that she is probably still off with the immortal, but Andrew would have probably told her about Spike. And she would probably have seen Angel and Spike fighting in the club. (See The girl in Question). You would think that even if Buffy is in a relationship with the Immortal, she still thought of Spike as a trusted friend and would have gone looking for him.

To me, ending the series here just creates more problems and doesn't really close the whole Buffy/Angel universe. We are still left with a whole bunch of unanswered questions.
Re: I am afraid I disagree with all of you! - [info]berttheevil on May 10th, 2004 01:50 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on May 10th, 2004 09:25 pm (UTC)
Revelations from Mike "The Arch-Angel"
I've read the summary seems like its gonna be a blast,
but after reading a lot of other spoilers it has been stated
that there is a high probablity that there will be mini-series
or movie. The ending tends to mould into what they so fit choose as it can easily blend both universes together. As team angel prepares to die, fighting this SP. Army, it is obvious that the army of slayers will come and fight this first battle, which should lead to the final apoclypic battle. I believe Willow would be able to sense a great dark evil rising. I hope Gunn doesn't die aswell, you cant kill off to many main characters. Off the topic but the whole Buffyverse should all end with Willow doing a spell somehow merging the essence of all the evil beings so the 'First' and 'SP' are corporal, and doing so merges all the 'Slayers' and 'Champion' and 'Humans' essence to make a first 'good', by doing so the spell is able to use all the powers take them from all beings to send all evil fiends to hell. Hense making the world the way it should be for humans and humans only, this therefor fufilling shansu prophecy, with both Souled Vamps Human. If anyone gets where i'm coimng for it makes sense
(Anonymous) on May 10th, 2004 11:46 pm (UTC)
RIP Wes ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
BIG BIG SNIFFLES IF THIS IS TRUE.. I CRIED JUST READING THIS WESLEY DIEING BIT LET ALONE WHEN I GET TO WATCH IT ! DITTO! FROM AUSTRALIA AND WE HAVE JUST SEEN ''YOU'RE WELCOME'' EPISODE.
I MISS WESLEY ALREADY - BOO HOO!
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2004 06:09 am (UTC)
Angel Series Finalé
I am a thirty-three year old English male, and I cannot believe that I am getting so worked up about a TV show. How does THAT work? Shouldn't I be passed all of this now? Shouldn't I be worrying about the health of my children, the kind of world I have brought them into, why I am not paid enough and why my mortgage keeps going on? So why the hell am I worrying about the future of ANGEL, easily one of the most inventive and innovative shows EVER to be screened on TV?

Living in the UK, we are always a little behind-the-times. What is the skinny on the future of ANGEL? I know that big screen movies have been mentioned, along with tele-movies and maybe a mini-series. Has anything been announced yet? I scor the 'net daily for some news of the future of this well written, brilliantly directed show - and the thought of having no Buffyverse show next year is soul-destroying.

James Marsters has mentioned in interviews that a "BUFFY movie" will most likely be happening. The use of the word "BUFFY" confuses me a little - does this mean a BUFFY movie to continue the storyline of BVS; does he refer to ANGEL and BUFFY both as BUFFY; or does it mean some kind of amalgamation of both series into a movie?

The last idea would be excellent. That way, if SMG doesn't want to return to the role of Buffy yet, they can get around it without her (believe me, after Scooby-Doo 3 or 4, she'll be begging JW for more Buffy). Merging the two universes (or rather the two aspects of the same universe) would certainly be fulfilling for any fan, and would tie up a lot of loose ends.

I just hope that we here something soon.
Re: Angel Series Finalé - [info]angelique1 on May 22nd, 2004 10:32 am (UTC)
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2004 02:33 pm (UTC)
Angel Deaths
There are two ways to look at death scenes, a necessity due to the nature of the drama, or a high concept used to illicit a surprise gimmick on the audience. Wes' death sadly negates any of the character development on ATS. Watching Alexis weave life into a two dimensional character made Angel into what it was, a fantasic spin-off with it's own soul. What bites about his demise is the fact that we may never see him possibly unite a new watchers council, spar with Giles ever again, and even resolve any conflicts with his father. I don't even know where that stands, as I recall that robot dad episode. I'll say this to Whedon and Co., Anya's death, while noble, sucked beacuse it happened in a split second, and left barely any remorse or sadness for a character that had redeemed herself. Wes' death feels so useless to the story, no matter how much he loved Fred, and couldn't bear to move on with life. Both Angel and Buffy went on with their lives after they had supposedly died. You don't have to be superhuman to be a champion. And Wes was just that. A champion. This ending is nothing more than, "see, we fooled you, people do die on this show, ha ha ha!" Sometimes a death isn't the answer to creating drama. Frankly, if ever there was a chance for another Buffyverse show, it should most definitely star Alexis Deinsoff. Thanks for all the years of great storytelling, Joss and Co., but you ruined it all with just one episode, and that's how I have to judge this series now.
(Anonymous) on May 11th, 2004 03:04 pm (UTC)
Thank You!!!
JW has done it again!!!
I hope he works on a series/movie for the arc from Buffy/Angel timeline to Fray.
Thanks the heads-up PersephoneMoon.
(Anonymous) on May 12th, 2004 12:09 pm (UTC)
the end of an era
Angel and Buffy are one of the best star crossed lovers ever portrayed on television. It is a shame to see them go. It was a shame to see Fred die and come back so evil. The imbodiment of good becoming a bundle of evil was dumb. Killing off Wesley was even worse. The best part of all of this is the simple fact that anyone can come back. Angel came back from hell, Buffy from the dead more than once, Spike from where ever it was he went to. Wesley can come back, Lila can come back after bargaining for Wesley's life, Fred can come back with a powerful spell, Anya could have been spared at the last second by the vengence demon since she had earned her wings. We all know Anya should have come out of that. Cordy can be reincarnated and Xander can get a eye back and we can have the ending to both series truly deserves. Willow can bring them all togeter with Faith to clean up the stupid ending of Angel. And at last Giles, I would like to see him end up with someone. After all the turmoil over the years, everyone wants to see a gratifying ending.
DrGoon[info]drgoon on May 12th, 2004 07:28 pm (UTC)
It seems as though JW triumphs over WB. He gives them an ending, of sorts, and leaves himself an out to finish up the story better under his control.
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on May 15th, 2004 12:47 pm (UTC)
Eris[info]l_eris_l on May 12th, 2004 07:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the summary.

To anyone who read the script (or heck, even this summary), did you get the feeling that Angel, Spike, and Illyria dying was inevitable? Or that it was implied that they were going to lose?

I mean, I sure didn't. But then again my poor little heart just can not take the stress of Spike dying again...

I figured they just left it on a cliffhanger because the WB is going to do a movie in the future. My mom read this summary though, and she believes their deaths are "implied". Did anyone else get this feeling?


~Eris~
(no subject) - [info]lauryne on May 12th, 2004 10:55 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]yagathai on May 19th, 2004 08:53 pm (UTC)
 
 

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