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  • Jan. 14th, 2006 at 5:20 PM
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My 2003 return is being audited. What a pain in the ass. Not really surprising though. In the dot-com days, I had some amazingly high tax returns due to stocks going through the roof. In 2002 and 2003, after the crash, I paid almost no taxes because I lived mostly off investment income and had plenty of stocks to sell at a loss to offset any gains. I did some consulting, but was also going to Stanford, and my consulting income was mostly tax free because you are allowed to deduct educational expenses in your field if you are self-employed.

Anyway, you can see how going from triple-digit incomes for a couple years to no income for a couple years might trigger an audit, although you'd think that situation would be somewhat common spanning the bubble. So I have to dig up documentation of the cost basis for the stocks and Stanford Ttuition receipts. Also for the taxes and mortgage interest we paid on the house, since its owned by multiple people, that info is not sent to the IRS under my SSN.

Sigh. If he comes here, like the last IRS agent[1], I'm definitely wearing Tovar. And I'm not going to shush him when he starts crying, either. Scream all you want, little guy, this person wants documentation to prove that his boss shouldn't steal any more money from daddy.

Any general advice, other than "Be honest and have good documentation"?

[1] I procrastinated '02 or '03 because I knew I'd have no income, so there wouldn't be penalties, and I hate doing taxes. Eventually, they sent someone by the house.

Comments

[info]rickthefightguy wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 02:30 am (UTC)
Hire a pro, and then forget about it. In fact, that is my advice for taxes from now on. Hire a pro. They take responsibility for everything, including audits, they take care of everything, and they save you more money than they cost.

I mean, unless you like accounting. (Which, I suppose you might...but I have a hard time imagining it.)
[info]triath wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 03:48 am (UTC)
Right now H&R Block is having a contest where the top prize is double your refund.

Makes you wonder what happens if you win the contest, but owe the government money...

I am in no way endorsing H&R Block. I do my own taxes.
[info]rickthefightguy wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 04:03 am (UTC)
The first time I had a pro do my taxes, I did a rough-order approx myself just to have an idea what it was going to be. I figured I owed various taxes in 4 states and about $1200 to the Feds. (this was when I was acting regularly, and all my income was 1099).

The guy took my not-very-well-organized info, and had me write the 4 checks for a total of < $150. That's right, 4 checks...I ended up getting a few bucks back from Taxachusetts.

I haven't done my own taxes since. After all, I hire pros to do a lot of things. And I totally sneer at directors who do their own fights - they really should hire a pro. (In fact we ran an ad years back that had that tag line: "A director who does his own fights is like a CPA who does his own brake jobs.")

BTW, Marcy, I LOVE your icon. I had a photo from Boston with a sign for "Harvard Street, No. Harvard Street". But the arrows went in different directions. Both funny, in different ways.
[info]triath wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I fully support the use of accountants. Nearly all of my friends have someone do their taxes. Lucky for me (at least for now) my taxes are pretty simple, so I save money by doing them myself.

P.S. Thanks! It was years before I finally got around to actually stopping the car to take that picture.
[info]tigresa wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2006 07:03 am (UTC)
Whoa. I finally figured out why that sign actually says that. All this time, I thought it was a comma. Picture me with a little "WTF" bubble above my head every time I saw a post of yours with that icon.
[info]triath wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2006 07:23 am (UTC)
I thought about editing out the period, but I decided to leave the sign as it actually appears.

Hey, I found the original picture (that's me!):
http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~mlavioll/sign.html

(In the future, if I say/do something obscure, let me know. I enjoy having people understand my jokes.)
[info]kirinn wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC)
So, how much does a pro go for these days? I've previously done my own taxes, and they've usually been "simple" enough that I could finish them in one long annoying day. But this year I'll have two states to cover, which might be enough to push me over the line. On the other hand, if there's software for OSX that handles multiple states smoothly (and presumably costs less than a person) I might go that route instead. I suppose I should probably research all this myselkf instead of lazily trolling on other people's comment threads, though. ;)
[info]rickthefightguy wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 02:09 pm (UTC)
One long annoying day? How much do you value your hourly rate at? I work in the theatre, and I still consider my time to be around $25 per hour, depending on whether I love what I am doing or not. A long day will obviously be worth more to me than the $100-$200 that a pro costs, and that's not considering the considerable value of having someone else who is responsible for taking care of problems lke those Patri is facing.
[info]tigresa wrote:
Jan. 21st, 2006 07:05 am (UTC)
$100-200? Last time we talked to a CPA, he quoted us a lot more than that.
[info]garlikmongere wrote:
Jan. 19th, 2006 06:48 am (UTC)
My parents use H&R Block, I think. Its a flat rate for each form that needs to be filled out. So total cost is based on number of forms that need to be filled, but I've forgotten the $/form.
[info]mindwalker wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 03:56 am (UTC)
"Be wary of strong drink."
[info]randallsquared wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 04:50 am (UTC)
Most excellent advice in Patri's situation. :)
[info]rickthefightguy wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 02:15 pm (UTC)
That's right. When you put your strong drink down, be wary of where it is... sometimes I forget and have to make another drink.

But seriously, I'll tell you what my mother always told me:
"Never draw to an inside straight" Of course my dad would always add: "unless the pot odds are around 11-1."
[info]lucasmembrane wrote:
Jan. 15th, 2006 04:38 pm (UTC)
Any general advice, other than "Be honest and have good documentation"?

How about "don't whiz on the electric fence"?

(Seriously though, I can't think of anything re: IRS. I'm kinda thankful that our taxes this year will be complicated enough, what with the moving and the relocation benefits and the NYU tuition and the stock options, that we'll *have* to hire a pro.)
[info]robbbbbb wrote:
Jan. 16th, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
"Any general advice?"

IRS audtiors are as human as the next man. Annoying them makes them vindictive. Be polite.

IRS auditors are paid to find mistakes. So leave him a mistake to find. Nothing too outrageous, and nothing blatantly illegal. Do everything right (to the best of your ability) and leave them one obvious mistake to latch onto early. M'mother does accounting for a construction company, and that's the oldest trick in her book. Otherwise, he'll spend all day trying to find the mistake(s) that justify his time.

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