Theophrastes ([info]pameladean) wrote,
@ 2005-08-07 21:26:00
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Demented Astronomy
I hope nobody was watching me outside just now.

I rather hope nobody was watching me last night either, but my activity last night was less obviously crazed. Last night I went out to look at the new moon. It was not visible from 38th and Blaisdell, though several bats were plying around pleasantly. I went west on 38th, because Blaisdell is in a dip at the bottom of two hills, and Nicollet is not a good place for even very simple astronomy. As I went I almost saw a faint star in the southwest, but I couldn't locate it reliably. Once I'd gotten up most of the small slope, just before Pleasant Avenue, I saw a brighter star in the west. That was Venus. I went on west a little further, and once I got to where my northwestern horizon consisted of a one-story commercial building with no trees around it, I could see the moon. It was very faint and quite large, being so close to the horizon. I had figured out by then that my fainter star was Jupiter. I couldn't see it from where I was. So I walked back and forth and stood on the curb and stood in the gutter and craned my neck about, trying to find a spot where I could see both planets and the moon at the same time. It was not to be. But as I walked home in the now-complete dark, I saw an object in the eastern sky so bright that I felt it must be an airplane. It was not, however; it was a planet. Finally I remembered Eric's telling me that Mars was making its every-other-yearly close approach to us.

Tonight I went out earlier, and of course the moon was higher and further to the south. I saw it as soon as I got to Pillsbury, a block before Pleasant. Venus, rather drab when compared to its most spectacular appearances when it is closer, was just to the south of the moon, above some economical swirls of cloud in pink and slate-blue. I stood quite happily looking at this sight, being waved impatiently across the street by a number of drivers. Then I started to try to find Jupiter. People getting off the bus and more drivers looked at me oddly. I went and sat on a bench outside the church there. I couldn't see the moon and Venus from that vantage point, but I felt that I should be able to see Jupiter once the sky became a little darker. This was not the case. I accordingly headed for home. I looked for Mars, but the eastern sky was cloudy. Then I walked backwards to keep the moon and Venus in view, and from time to time I darted my head at the southern sky to catch Jupiter out. I felt like an insect-eating bird with an eating disorder. I could still see the moon and Venus at the intersection of 38th and Blaisdell, from the southern side. Once I had crossed 38th, to the northern side of the intersection, I could suddenly see Jupiter. The best place from which to see all three was in the middle of the intersection. I was not daft enough to stand there, especially with busses and lightless bicyclists both running yellow lights as if they were having some kind of contest. I did cross all the streets repeatedly in several directions, trying to get just one glimpse of the entire available palette of satellites. When I had become dizzy enough, I went home.

Raphael kindly offered to make me a gin and tonic, so I get to continue the dizziness, although not the astronomy.

EDITED TO ADD: Non-dizzy consultation with reference materials indicates that yes, that really was Jupiter, but no, that really was not Mars. Thanks to [info]davidgoldfarb for pointing out that Mars is not rising until after midnight this month.

P.



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[info]dreamshark
2005-08-08 02:46 am UTC (link)
Jupiter is not the kind of planet that is usually described as "fainter than" anything. I wonder if the one you identified as Jupiter was actually Mars, and vice versa?

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 02:49 am UTC (link)
Nope. I checked the Minnesota Weatherguide Calendar when I got home. Also I've been looking at Jupiter for months and I know what it's doing.

P.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 03:40 am UTC (link)
Sorry, I didn't mean to be so abrupt. There are lots of years when I might see several planets and have almost no clue what any of them was. This just isn't one of them.

Jupiter is often fainter than Venus, anyway, because Venus is closer and is highly reflective.

P.

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[info]kightp
2005-08-08 03:50 am UTC (link)
I love imagining you as the Crazy Sky-Watching Lady, baffling the passersby.

Did anyone else look up?

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 03:54 am UTC (link)
No, they didn't, the creatures. It reminded me of being at Lake Itasca State Park, which is full of dragonflies, and seeing all these people rushing past to get to the source of the Mississippi. Show them a vertebrate, a snake, even a common squirrel, and they would get all squeeish, but these glittering huge insects just did not register on their radars.

P.

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[info]clindau
2005-08-08 04:29 pm UTC (link)
I would've stopped and looked. Tim and I do this kind of thing every once in a while--the crazy sky watching, that is.

Cindy

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:24 pm UTC (link)
It's better with two. In fact, now that I think of it, people are more likely to assume there must be something worth checking out, and to look up, if two people are doing the same daft thing. One person looks more like a lunatic, unless one is in the know.

P.

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(Anonymous)
2005-08-09 12:41 am UTC (link)
Like Dean and Emily looking at the clouds, in _Emily Climbs_?

Helen

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-10 05:19 pm UTC (link)
I can't recall that scene off-hand, I'm afraid.

P.

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[info]baldanders
2005-08-08 04:03 am UTC (link)
I once walked into a light pole while figuring out what stars I was looking at.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Ow.

I was thinking, as I kept an eye out for traffic, that at least I was not, like William Herschell, in danger of actually falling off my enormous telescope platform and suffering serious injury.

P.

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Hello.
[info]moderately_mad
2005-08-08 05:18 am UTC (link)
I don't know if I've ever introduced myself. I've only been on lj for a few months. When I first came on I did a few searches to find folks with similar interests. I didn't know then that its customary to say, "Hi. May I add you to my friends list?" Better late than never?

Anyway, I've been reading and enjoying your posts. I thought you might enjoy this link: Earth & Sky. It features a "tonight's sky" section that often pushes me out the door to see what's what.
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A giant dragonfly kept me company while I was doing dishes tonight. Poor thing kept crashing into the window screen in an effort to reach the light. I finished the washing up with the lights off :)

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Re: Hello.
[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Welcome! I have done a lot of stealth friending myself. I guess it's because I'd rather sidle up to a conversation and be noticed eventually than burst into the middle of it.

I've never had a dragonfly crash into a screen. I wonder what kind it was.

P.

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[info]eub
2005-08-08 05:37 am UTC (link)
Venus, so that's who that was. After I got home I went up to the roof and watched the moon set behind the mountains, and I had meant to check what planet that would be. Thanks.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:21 pm UTC (link)
My pleasure.

P.

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[info]whumpdotcom
2005-08-08 05:40 am UTC (link)
[info]cynthia1960 called me as she was driving back from Pleasanton to tell me to go look at the Moon and Venus. I didn't stay on the porch long enough to notice Jupiter. Darn.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:19 pm UTC (link)
It'll actually be easier to see them both tonight, assuming it's not cloudy where you are. Jupiter is getting closer to them and they are getting closer to one another.

P.

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[info]davidgoldfarb
2005-08-08 08:37 am UTC (link)
Are you quite sure that was Mars? Mars isn't currently even rising until almost midnight, well after Venus has set. There is an opposition coming up, but it won't be for several months yet. Perhaps it was Antares, in Scorpio, or one of the Summer Triangle?

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 04:51 pm UTC (link)
I was sure, but I was wrong. Why I read "sunrise" and think "sunset" I have no idea.

It was awfully bright for a mere star, but yeah. Will edit entry.

That really was Jupiter, though.

P.

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[info]davidgoldfarb
2005-08-08 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Yes, Jupiter is high and bright these days (though not so bright as Venus of course). I too look up at nights and keep track of the planets, and didn't recall seeing Mars recently -- although I did look up Mars's rising time on the web just to make sure.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 06:47 pm UTC (link)
I hadn't seen Mars recently either, but I have a very crowded and unsatisfactory eastern view from my yard and the neighborhood generally. So it wouldn't have surprised me to have missed it.

P.

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[info]jackiejj
2005-08-08 12:52 pm UTC (link)
I enjoyed your walk, and seeing you again.

A couple of weeks ago, I woke up just before dawn and saw, in an otherwise black sky, a clear red spot, and I decided (being half-asleep) that it was a UFO.

But it didn't move, and I couldn't remember reading about any red UFOs, so I woke up a little more and decided it was Mars.

I felt like an insect-eating bird with an eating disorder.

Aw. :) I liked that!

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[info]jackiejj
2005-08-08 12:54 pm UTC (link)
I enjoyed seeing you again.

I meant on paper--monitor, of course.

Oh, well.

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-08 05:18 pm UTC (link)
I knew what you meant. 8-)

P.

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[info]blk
2005-08-09 05:45 pm UTC (link)
(here via [info]eub)
Looks like I was looking at a similar sky as you that night, except from higher up. :)

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[info]pameladean
2005-08-10 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Oooo!

Your moon looks rather fatter than mine did.

P.

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