Nick Mamatas ([info]nihilistic_kid) wrote,
@ 2003-11-29 15:11:00
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PublishAmerica, the Amway of publishing
PublishAmerica, as some of you may know, is a per-unit vanity press. While charging no money up front, PA organizes its distribution so that the author is bound to buy most of the copies of his or her own book at inflated prices. PA, in addition to publishing literally anything sent to them, sets their book prices 30% over market price, minus a 30% author discount (standard author discounts are closer to 45-55%), leading to the author buying books at full market value. The specifics of how the scam works are explained here.

Because SF writers and editors tend to be technologically savvy, we were here waiting for the scammers when they went online with their new business models, and have been at the forefront of educating people about the nature of POD vanity presses. SFWA has an anti-scam committee, folks like the Nielsen-Haydens, quoted above, have taken them on, as have many other writers including myself.

PublishAmerica, the most digusting of the vanity presses, has fired back with this brand new sock puppet website, Authors Market, which poses as an anti-vanity site. Why pay iUniverse $100 or XLibris $400 when a small press like PublishAmerica will buy your book for a $1 advance? Good question, and the good answer is in the link above. The page goes on to make a series of dubious arguments about publication, thus leading the reader to the conclusion that PA is the only remaining viable alternative for a writer. And to counteract the information presented by people, the site takes several swipes at SF writers.

Under Never Trust The "Experts", PA stooges explain:

A second caveat is that science-fiction and fantasy writers have it easier. It's unfair, but such is life. As a rule of thumb, the quality bar for sci-fi and fantasy is a lot lower than for all other fiction. Therefore, beware of published authors who are self-crowned writing experts. When they tell you what to do and not to do in getting your book published, always first ask them what genre they write. If it's sci-fi or fantasy, run. They have no clue about what it is to write real-life stories, and how to find them a home.

Under Only Trust Your Own Eyes, it takes more swipes at the genre:

Let's look a little closer at those self-anointed "experts", the ones who call themselves author advocates, or watchdogs. You won't find too many of them, but they are usually loud. Their writing is typically characterized by the use of an overkill of adjectives, and by references to you being a victim of something. Their own book genre is almost always Science-Fiction or Fantasy.

That's why some of them are actually published writers. SciFi and Fantasy are among the easier genres, requiring no believable storylines, and no believable every-day characters.

...

SciFi and Fantasy abounds with literary parasites and plagiarists. Some writers have built a name for themselves by writing spin-offs of hugely popular movies, such as Star Trek, after all the characters and story parameters had been handed to them on a silver plate by the story owners who licensed the merchandising rights to a publisher. It requires some talent, but not too much, to write such a book.

There are others who, particularly in the field of Fantasy, rewrite all but everything under the sun that has already been written before. They rummage through books on mythology, steal a character here, borrow a plot line there, throw in a wizzard from King Arthur, and literally loot all the mythologies ever written.


Needless to say, these are rather obvious slams on anti-scam watchdogs A. C. Crispin and Victoria Strauss. Crispin writes media tie-in fiction as well as original SF and Strauss writes fantasy. The page concludes with this note about any advice a published writer may give you:

Do not, repeat NOT, believe those who tell you the opposite [that new writers can be published by large traditional publishers], because it is simply untrue. They elevate themselves by saying you can get where they have gotten, knowing quite well that this is not going to happen. They are the ultimate fact benders of the publishing world. They are not out to help you. They are only out to maintain their own elite status. Sounds familiar? That's right, this is how elites have always protected themselves and their peers.

The site is new, and the discussion board is virtually empty, but the first couple posts are from scam victims trumpeting PA for publishing their junk. It's sad, really.


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[info]polycat
2003-11-29 01:43 pm UTC (link)
that's amazing. first they say anyone can write sci-fi, then they say no new writers can get published by big houses, presumably even if they write sci-fi. what a baffling argument that is. and do they really think the sci-fi "bar" is lower than romance?

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2003-11-29 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Nah, they don't really think any of the things they say. They think they can provide enough "noise" to confuse and convince people to sign up for PublishAmerica by playing on their insecurities and by poisoning the well against the many writers, most of whom write SF, who have pointed out that PA is a scam.

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Tsk
(Anonymous)
2003-12-06 07:43 pm UTC (link)
>>sci-fi "bar" is lower than romance? <<

The bar in romance is just as high as in any other genre. I read romance (& SF & mysteries & YA & NF etc..) and I hate ta tell ya this, but there is just as much crap in fantasy/SF as there is in romance. There are some excellent writers in romance, just as in any other genre.

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[info]witchchild
2003-11-29 04:06 pm UTC (link)
yaaaaargh.
I love how in the end they forget that at some point every big author was a new author. *sighs* I should start forwarding this to some other authors I know.

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[info]aelysium
2003-11-29 04:20 pm UTC (link)
This really is disgusting, as I said when I first saw it at the Rumor Mill. Fucking insidious. . . .

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-29 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I don't even write genre fiction anymore and this annoys me. Not because someone holds this opinion--even with PublishAmerica gone there will always be more idiots to take its place--but the fact that there are new writers who will take this as the truth.

I'll never forget when I was fourteen years old and fell for the poetry.com scam. I know what it's like fall for these things, I'm just glad it happened when I was young, rather than the older writers who are most likely falling for PublishAmerica's scams.

--Simon
www.blurty.com/users/simono

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(Anonymous)
2003-11-29 06:08 pm UTC (link)
I just love how they set up the discussion board too. They say you can't post on it unless you register first. And then when you go to register, you find out you can't register unless you've published a book with them.

How convenient, it's like they're not even trying to hide the fact that it's a scam, they're rubbing our noses in it and then laughing behind the fence where we can't reach them.

--Simon

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[info]jfusion
2003-11-29 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Based on their own writing, they clearly have little to no editorial standards. This should be very encouraging to new authors, who know that they can't be turned away, no matter how awful.

There are others who ... rewrite all but everything under the sun that has already been written before.

throw in a wizzard from King Arthur

handed to them on a silver plate

Also, in their list of genres which are not taken seriously on the "Your Eyes" page, what's missing? What would be welcomed by the status-quo?

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revolted
[info]rsheslin
2003-11-29 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I feel a very strong need to take a shower.

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[info]ktempest
2003-11-29 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I stole their web design. And now I feel better.

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Lynn Cheney's a Slut
[info]yakker
2003-11-30 03:14 pm UTC (link)
What I find especially funny, is the crap they have on the left side of the home page, like "PA Author receives hand-signed letter from Lynn Cheney." A HAND-SIGNED LETTER!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! It's disgusting.

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PublishAmerica
(Anonymous)
2003-11-30 05:03 pm UTC (link)
I hope you don't mind a public "amen" from someone who can't be accused of sailing under the science fiction and fantasy banner. I got here from Rachel (http://www.journalscape.com/rachel)'s blog.

PublishAmerica knows itself to be a scam operation. The tactics you mentioned (mostly misleading statements, some outright lies) are pre-emptive strikes, geared toward discrediting legitimate watchdog organizations in the minds of PublishAmerica's largest potential consumer base.

While it is true that sometimes, good writing does not get published through legitimate channels (PublishAmerica calls them "traditional channels"), it is overwhelmingly more common for the reason(s) to be:


  1. Ineffective writing
  2. A lack of original ideas
  3. Ineffective writing and a lack of original ideas


Which are the same reasons people have always turned to vanity presses—and a $1 advance does not change what PublishAmerica is.

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Re: PublishAmerica
(Anonymous)
2003-11-30 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Oops. Forgot to identify myself (http://www.journalscape.com/keithsnyder).

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Re: PublishAmerica
[info]nihilistic_kid
2003-11-30 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Hi Keith! We've chatted on Mike Jasper's journal comments section before. Thanks for chiming in.

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(Anonymous)
2003-12-02 06:48 pm UTC (link)
"If doing this were the "advocates"' only agenda, they would actually do the novice writer a favor. But it's not. The real agenda of some of these author advocates is to actually keep you away from their own ranks."

The air of paranoia is ripe here, Batboy...

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[info]elusis
2003-12-03 08:37 am UTC (link)
Just got here via [info]betnoir, and was motivated to produce some of my own rambling on the parallels between publishing scams (which many people still think are good, and not scams) and diploma scams (which most people know are bad and would agree are scams) here.

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[info]adarkjewel
2003-12-06 01:33 am UTC (link)
You should write something for the NYC Writers Group mailing list. People need to know about this "helpful" advice.

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[info]stargatedragon
2003-12-11 07:18 pm UTC (link)
been there, done that - got myself banned from the PA boards 'cause I had the gall to criticize the Gods Of PublishAmerica...

it's a scam, but the problem is that they truly deliver what you paid for... nothing!

and their authors, at least those who continue to follow, have a rather cult-like attitude - that somehow they're "pirates" in the publishing world and will win in the end 'cause their cause is just and right, yatta yatta yatta...

me, I didn't spend much - got a few copies and can't say I got them any profit in the long run. Won't make that mistake again and sure as heck will keep on posting on the authorsmarket.net boards until they ban me there as well.

not to mention publishedauthors.net - check that one out for some "great" stories!

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Beware of Publish America
(Anonymous)
2004-05-30 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Thank you Nick for the warning about Publish America. Thank god I didn't sign their contract. About two weeks ago Publish America
told me they wanted my completed manuscript after I had answered their website. I e-mailed them and asked them to sign my confidential disclosure that an copyrite attorney had given to me.
They refused to sign it, and said they weren't in the business of stealing but that they were a publishing company. My guard was down ,and I sent them the completed manuscript. Now, I'm sorry since I found out about their scam. What worries me is that they could take my subject, and add their own story. My book is copyrighted and registered with the writer's guild of America. To protect my book, I have made a complaint to the Attorney General's office in Maryland.

My e-mail is: Barbaranancylee@earthlink.net

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PublishAmerica
(Anonymous)
2008-08-25 04:24 am UTC (link)
They tried to get me, and failed. 'Newbie' and 'Incompetent' are NOT synonymous. Aside from all of the bad press, and the fact that they are INCOMPETENT enough to lie about facts that can easily be verified, I simply read what their editors(AHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA) were sending me. Passive voice, echoes, punctuation errors, and an over use of, get ready, ADJECTIVES(see 'Only Trust Your Own Eyes',above)!!!! Would you like a concrete example? You would? Ok. Again look at, 'Only Trust Your Own Eyes'. Pay note to this, "....throw in a wizzard from King Arthur..." Ummmmm, What the hell is a wizzard, and why is it in my Fantasy Realm? Come hither, wizzard, that I may smite you. Truthfully, I had to Google it. PA sucks. As GOD as my witness, once published I will make it my mission to help make them go, buh-bye! The cool part is that I have saved all of my correspondences with them, Including my contract. I can't wait for them to peg me as a 'disgruntled author'. If anyone wants to reach me: myspace.com/michaeldark8

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