23 May 2005 @ 12:15 am
Responsibility and Compassion in Fiction Writing [6/8/02]  
RESPONSIBILITY AND COMPASSION IN FICTION WRITING
[Originally posted 6/8/02]


Back in June of 2002, I posted what might be my "manifesto," in terms of the duties and responsibilities I believe to be inherent in fiction writing, after the (then) 25 years of writing and 15 years of publishing. Three years later, I still point to this old essay. You'll find me no proponent of censorship -- but that's because I agree with Virginia Woolf: "To enjoy freedom, we have to control ourselves." Or to quote Walt Whitman, "In the faces of men and women, I see God; and in my own face in the glass." It's not about 'rules' -- do this; don't do that -- it's about learning to feel (not just think) outside our own skin. Mitakuye oyasin -- we're all relatives. If you can't feel outside your own skin, you can't write well. Compassion is, imo, essential to the author's art.

I will ramble here on topics likely to evoke strong responses. Yes, this essay is long for LJ (even for LJ meta) -- but please read to the end, and read carefully, don't suffer a knee-jerk reaction half-way through and think you know what I'm going to say. These are my opinions, based on 40 years of living, some of it spent in hospice with the terminally ill, and what I'd like to address is the responsible handling of traumatic events in fiction -- whether it's rape, incest, suicide, drug abuse, or what-have-you. Yet a number of other topics got dragged in along the way, from political correctness to gentilezza, or the lack thereof, in modern society.

To me, the heart of this whole extended debate -- which pops up now and then under different guises in LJ -- centers on personal responsibility. I will never support censorship or book banning because it's a slippery slope. Who judges what's to be censored? But by the same token, I also believe in community responsibility, and the power of stories -- not legislation nor philosophic tracts -- to change the world. Stories move people in the gut, and that's where our compassion lies. The word "compassion" means, literally, "to move in the bowels," e.g., that emotional wrench you get when you really feel for a person. That's compassion. That's empathy. And that's what is generated by stories (real or fictional).(*)

Unfortunately, hate also works at a gut-level, and stories can inspire hate just as easily as they can inspire compassion. Stories are POWERFUL things, and those of us who tell stories had better be damn well aware of that -- and take responsibility for what we write.

I believe that everything on this earth is interrelated, and thus, we're all responsible for one another -- back to the mitakuye oyasin quoted above. But that's by no means an exclusively native concept. One can find it in philosophies ranging from Taoism to Judaism to the modern Incarnational Theology of Fr. Matthew Fox. I have, and always will have, trouble with the mentality that it's okay to shut one's self up in a box and go about life as if no one else mattered. I see that as either self-centered or plain lazy. Now certainly, there are plenty of busy-bodies who seek to arrange their life and everyone else's, but I think the difference lies in motivation: does concern stem from compassion and generosity, or a wish to control? Do we help others because it's the human thing to do, or because it's a power trip? The two are sometimes confused -- or worse, deliberately conflated by those who would propose a "hands-off" policy, so I want to be clear that there IS a difference. Yes, people can do bad things with the best intentions (and good things arise from bad intentions), but intentions still matter. Mohandas Gandhi said, "If the means are bad, there can be no good end."

A nice counterbalance to keep the "responsible for one another" from sinking into busy-body-dom might be found in another native concept that no one of us has the complete picture. If you're familiar with Indians, you know we have a tendency to avoid giving an unqualified answer. Instead, we preface things with, "The way I heard it ..." or "The way it seems to me ..." Needless to say, historians and anthropologists collecting data on tribal history and culture find this trait annoying because they wind up with ten versions of an event and how do they know which one is right?! But from the native perspective, that's a nonsensical question. There IS no such thing as a "right" version, at least not when it comes to events and human experiences. Many Elders will laugh at you if you claim to be "completely objective," or at least they'll grin a bit behind their hands. Claims of objectivity are considered pretentious because no one is God. And that's a fairly healthy antidote to busy-body-dom. It's hard to rearrange someone else's life if we realize we don't have all the answers even for our own.

But that doesn't absolve us of responsibility for each other, compassion for each other. And a large chunk of compassion is learning not just to "think" of someone else first, but to feel for someone else first.

How much nicer would the world be if we had more of that? [info]musesfool has discussed the phenomenon of rudeness on the web -- on groups, lists, and blogs. This failure of netiquette reflects a general rudeness in society. To my own way of thinking, rudeness stems from a self-centered perspective: undue brusqueness, plain selfishness, or simple immaturity -- I have the right to say whatever I want, anywhere I want, because I have freedom of speech! Well, yes, technically we do, short of libel. But is that always a good thing? One can be honest without being rude, and I'm of the firm opinion that we would all be better off if we invested a bit more time in HOW we phrase things. Words have great power. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will break my heart." In my experience, bones average forty days to consolidate, but broken hearts take a great deal longer.

Let's consider the notorious Political Correctness. Ironically, what today is called "politically correct" (a term filched from Marxism and then misapplied) began in the '60s and '70s as a movement in various academic and theological circles to be sensitive and compassionate -- to LISTEN instead of talking all the time, to ask instead of to tell. In other words, to trouble to find out how others described themselves, and then to take a cue from it. Know what happened to the body of General George Custer after the Battle of the Little Bighorn? The Lakota pierced his eardrums so that, in the next life, he might learn to listen instead of to talk all the time. "Political correctness" was really all about knocking holes in eardrums, and some of the places we find its origins include social history, Liberation Theology, and the movement towards cultural relativism in anthropology.

For a variety of reasons, this sensitivity to language and cultural variation was adopted, adapted, twisted, and then derogatorily dubbed "politically correct" to create a straw man. It was seen either as over-attention to what was said, instead of what was done, for the purpose of popularity in the polls -- or as a liberal brainwashing of the hoi polloi by asking them to consider that others might see the world differently from the way they do. (And lions and tigers and bears, too, oh my!)

In any case, as a reaction to trumped up silliness associated with PCism, being politically incorrect came into vogue, and, at least for some, 'sensitivity' was regarded as weak, waffling, and indecisive. Now, while I tend to agree with John Mellencamp that what we do matters more than what we say, I fail to see the problem with paying attention to what's said, and the words we use. After all, as a writer, I'm acutely conscious of the power of language to shape us, inspire us, change us ... and also to wound us.

Since when has considering the feelings of others gone out of fashion? And dear God, is this a world that we want to inhabit, if that's the case? Being rude shouldn't be confused with honesty, and caustic witticisms do not prove one's cleverness. It's always easier to deconstruct than to create, and many is the essay, critique, or book that began strong by pointing out the problems in ____, but finished weak when trying to offer an alternative solution. Constructive criticism is useful; reactionary and juvenile pissing contests aren't.

It's not that the world needs more politeness, but that it needs more compassion, more awareness that we really aren't islands, and we can't just do (or say) whatever the hell we want.

Way back in the 4th Century CE, Abba Antony said, "Our life and death is with our neighbor. If we gain our brother, we have gained God, but if we scandalize our brother, we have sinned."

'Sin' is another word that's out of vogue these days, but maybe we could stand to bring it back. Maybe we NEED to bring it back. All religious associations aside, what is 'sin' anyway but the placement of the self at the center of the cosmos without concern for others? That's not only selfish, it's childish -- "egocentric" to use Piaget-inspired Cognitive Development psychobabble, and one of the stages of child development is to learn awareness of other perspectives. Children presumably grow out of egocentrism with the advent of concrete operational thinking around the age of seven. But when I surf they net, I wonder. I can put up with a lot of human follies, but willful egocentrism and a complete lack of graciousness are not among them. The Italians have the lovely word: gentilezza. It's much more than simple politeness. It's a social graciousness that stems from generosity and kindness.

And you know, there is no single adjective that I could more hope to earn in my epitaph than kind. We all have our moments when we're not -- when we're defensive, or angry, or frightened, or insecure, and we lash out. But to my mind, no greater compliment -- no more human compliment -- exists than, "She was kind."

So what on earth does all that have to do with fiction? To me, compassion is absolutely essential to writing. We've all heard the adage, 'There are no bad stories, only bad writers.' I agree. And I want to push that further. No topic should be banned from fiction. Writing is all about understanding life at one level or another, and that's why I'm not in favor of censorship. Censorship -- like the damn rating system -- is far too concerned with WHAT, not how. It's reductionistic. Life -- and fiction -- are more complicated than that.

Now here's where the rubber hits the road as far as I'm concerned -- when an author attempts to write about a tender topic of which he or she knows nothing. That's both irresponsible AND unkind. Yet I find this sort of thing again and again in fanfic (and sometimes in profic). The worst offenders in fanfic are found in angst, hurt-comfort, torture- and darkfic, and particularly such stories penned by younger authors who lack life experience. Sure, younger writers can produce good stuff; I've read some. But writing is a profession that favors age. I got furious once when a multiply-published older author and my then-teacher told me, "No one under twenty-one can write worth shit." I think I was about nineteen at the time. He pissed me off so badly I hurled my typewriter (yes, a typewriter; I am that old) out the window. Now, at forty, I look back on what I wrote when I was nineteen and y'know ... it WAS shit. And it was shit mostly because I hadn't lived long enough to have any real perspective. "Age" isn't the deciding factor, of course. Experience is. That's the difference between knowledge and wisdom, too. One can know everything under the sun but it won't make one wise. Wisdom comes from having lived a little, loved a lot, and listened to others when they shared their hearts and dreams. Compassion wedded to observation, and a certain humor about it all. (God forbid that everything in life be deadly serious!) The wisest man I ever knew had an eighth grade education. Here I sit with a Ph.D. and hope that someday I'm as wise as he was.

So, my fellow writers, please be careful what you choose to write about. Don't yank emotional chains as a short-cut to eliciting emotional responses in readers, and certainly don't do it without living it, feeling it, and getting down and dirty with it. Write what you know. It's one of those writing truisms that remains good advice. Sure, writers have to write about things they haven't personally experienced or they'd be telling the same story over and over, but we must all learn to practice the art of getting it right. That means research. Writers spend a lot of time researching, and not just for factual details. 'Research' extends to experience and observation. (See ETA added at the bottom.)

This is, I think, where responsibility comes in, and putting it in the strongest terms I can: a writer has NO business writing about rape, incest, bereavement, torture, alcoholism, miscarriage, child abuse, mental illness, abortion, SIDS, suicide, or any of a dozen other emotionally-laden traumatic topics unless he or she has "been there," in some respect, and has a real sense of how people deal with these things. One doesn't have to be a rape survivor to write about rape convincingly, but it does take more than an attraction to angst fic and a chapter in a Psych 101 textbook. It takes a shitload of experience being with those who are survivors. It means listening to the war stories in detail, the night terrors, the medical and relationship problems that ensue, and by God, CRYING with them. Compassion. Empathy. Learning to feel it.

Emotional honesty and genuine compassion take more fortitude, to my mind, than physical courage. Rape takes years to heal from, and in truth, one never heals entirely. One learns to live with it, to incorporate the experience and be stronger, just as one never "gets over" the loss of someone close. We learn to live with their absence.

So authors, please show respect for those who've lived through trauma -- show compassion for them -- by taking the time to find out what it's really like, not what you think it's like, or what will suit the plot of your story.

I've read far too many fics that use trauma for romantic ends, or because the author sees extreme crisis as a short-cut to a cheap emotional crank-up. X-Files fiction was full of "Scully is raped and Mulder comforts her" stories (or even the reverse!). And how many "Rogue suffers ___ and Logan rides in to her rescue" stories have I read in X-Men movieverse? Or "Jean cheats on Scott so that Scott can see the error of his ways and turn to someone else" (Ororo, Rogue, Kitty ... whomever)? But most of the time, the confusion, shock, and sheer PAIN of these things is skipped over in pursuit of the resolution. Don't do that. Don't trivialize trauma.

In my own opinion, an author who decides to take on 'hurt-comfort' or angsty topics had better have a damn good idea what he or she is writing about. It's not just that poorly-written stories of that type are especially wince-inducing to read -- which they are. (The more poignant the theme, the more skill it requires to convey the matter both tastefully and palpably.) But poorly-researched H/C stories are irresponsible as well because they oversimplify the trauma, or even perpetuate myths while (usually) meaning well. In my experience, authors writing hurt-comfort don't get off on the violence or pain inflicted on the ill-starred character(s). They're after the emotional jolt on the "comfort" side of the equation. Yet all too often, it's badly done, and thus insensitive, because (frankly) the author knows jack-shit about the topic, and that's evident to anyone who's actually been through it. To write a traumatic subject, one has to eat, live, and breathe it. Talk to people. Talk to a LOT of people because everyone reacts to traumatic situations differently. Forget those potted self-help books. Sit on the floor of the local library and read book after book after book, and not the technical stuff. Read the STORIES. How does it feel? That's what an author must ask. We're not teaching recovery from incest workshops here. We're sharing experience. Our responsibility is to show the human cost of trauma. Why do you think I wrote that godawful, graphic medical scene in Chapter Three of Climb the Wind? That's what violent rape does to the body of a man. It's disgusting and ugly, and I hope to hell that I made the idea of rape a little less attractive. I wanted people to cry at the end of that scene -- for what Scott had suffered, and survived, and what lay still ahead of him ... not get some perverse charge out of it. It's not pretty; it's not romantic; it's not easy to fix. It's tragic. It's sick. It's sad.

If a writer can't go there, then don't write it.

Hurt-comfort stories are, at their best, positive things. They attempt to show the amazing ability of the human spirit to overcome tragedy. I think that is, honestly, what their authors want to accomplish, and I applaud it. But many of those authors simply lack the experience, patience, psychological perception, and emotional courage to succeed. H/C works only if an author avoids triteness, pat answers, and easy solutions. We must be willing to grapple with the terror, weakness, and anger -- all those less-than-happy aspects of the journey -- and do it at the gut level, not the head level. What does it feel like? Just what is that water-weak flash of fear that incapacitates every muscle in the body when someone passes by wearing his cologne, that stink you washed off at least thirty times after that night, washed and washed until your skin was water-puckered and raw from scrubbing? Can the author GET that, FEEL that, SHIVER with that?

Don't hand me potted solutions. Make me cry, dammit. That's the difference between fiction and philosophizing -- and that's why stories, not self-help books, will change the world.

But in order to do all that, it takes first compassion, then respect for others, and finally, enough responsibility to care about getting it right. It takes being able to analogize at an emotional (not just intellectual) level -- and a willingness to do it. It can be scarey to get in there and feel with another person. And finally, it takes a little living to have enough personal experience to enable analogizing, and to translate what one does feel onto the page.

Take bereavement. Most of us have not lost a child or a spousal unit, but there is nothing in life that's more traumatic. No matter how many times Holmes and Rahe's Social Readjustment Scale is redone, those events will always occupy positions Number One and Number Two. Yet most of us have experienced loss of some type -- that utterly sick disorientation that takes away the ability to eat or sleep or even to think straight. Get in there with that -- feel it. Don't be afraid of it. Then multiply it by a factor of ten. At that level of loss, one doesn't even want to live, but one also doesn't have the energy to actively seek to die. "Loss" isn't even a sufficient adjective. Bereft comes closer, or desolated.

An author must take that feeling, climb inside it, explore every nook and cranny -- then put it into words. And to do that, we must open our hearts and BLEED. Anyone writing a painful scene had better have tears running down her face, or she's not getting it right. This is the inherent challenge that an author faces -- the responsibility we shoulder. Get it right. Don't trivialize, reduce, or oversimplify it. Get it right -- or don't write it. And when it comes to topics that are open wounds for others, please, please, PLEASE have the compassion not to undertake what one doesn't understand. Maturity is all about knowing one's limits.

So get in there and wrestle with it -- or get out of the ring. Writers must be emotionally fearless creatures, willing not only to feel with others down to the absolute nadir, but also to rip out their own heart and lungs so that everyone else can read just how it feels. Honest writers make a literary Blood-Eagle sacrifice splashed red across the page in an effort to redeem the world.

Writing hurts sometimes.

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*This is a loose reference to the study, Compassion, by Donald P. McNeill, Douglas A. MOrrison, and Henri J.M. Nouwen, c1966, particularly the introduction, pp. 1-10.

ETA: Because some folks have misunderstood what I meant by "write what you know" -- before you comment on "Write what you know," please read my further comments on just what that means HERE. And note that I do in fact talk about analogizing and research -- don't skip over those sentences. I did not say that one had to have experienced it personally. In fact, I said just the opposite. What I DID say is that one has to be able to feel it.

(As I believe in 'put your money where your mouth is,' anyone who wants to see whether I practice what I preach is welcome to wander around my site, especially the novels and shorts sections.)
 
 
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Mayhem Parva[info]raincitygirl on May 22nd, 2005 10:44 pm (UTC)
Excellently put.
Minisinoo: peace[info]minisinoo on May 22nd, 2005 11:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you. :-)
Daegaer[info]daegaer on May 23rd, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)
Thank you for writing this.
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haunted by American dreams: that hath such people in it[info]newredshoes on May 23rd, 2005 12:37 am (UTC)
That's the difference between fiction and philosophizing -- and that's why stories, not self-help books, will change the world.

*marries your brain* Lovely essay, Min -- thanks so much for sharing it. It's good to be told these things, because very few people will say them and be honest about it.
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the upper echelons of mediocrity: Rarrrr[info]the_star_fish on May 23rd, 2005 05:17 am (UTC)
Very cool. I think you've explained to me one of the reasons I'm not reading more of the flashfiction stories -- I don't think the writers are doing the work, and it turns me off immediately. (Well, some of them come right out and say it -- "Written in math class; no time for a beta! lol!" Argh.) The last episode of CSI sparked a whole slew of Traumatized!Nick stories which just don't do anything for me.

(It took me almost three years to write the last substantial story I posted, and it went through six or seven betas and a metric ton of revisions. That's the kind of story I want to read. But then, I'm old & crotchety. *g*)
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chicago_h on May 23rd, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)
Amen, sister. Particularly this:
It's always easier to deconstruct than to create, and many is the essay, critique, or book that began strong by pointing out the problems in ____, but finished weak when trying to offer an alternative solution. Constructive criticism is useful; reactionary and juvenile pissing contests aren't.

I think you've described much of academia in these couple of sentences - and what's wrong with it. I have been working with a group of students lately on writing ethnography, and our latest discussion was a tough one: how do we deal with affect? How do we write about the deep-in-the-gut, inchoate stuff that is so much of being human and gets rationalized out of the equation in the name of "science"? The best I could give to the students as advice was "give it voice" and be honest about it. Respect it. Let people describe it in their own words. Better - learn to empathize with it, even if you can't necessarily agree with it. Toss rational actor theory out the window - or at least have the courage to accept that rational actions can be motivated by irrational desires. Sure, you can trip over to Lacan or others and come up with some deep theoretical explanation, but I find myself frustrated that theorists of affect seem to destroy rather than enhance an understanding of connection and human-ness that is so much of how life is really lived. And to what end?

As always, I've twisted your thoughts on writing to my own questions in anthropology (which really is its own kind of storytelling, subject to the same pitfalls and possibilities that you describe above). And a side note:
Needless to say, historians and anthropologists collecting data on tribal history and culture find this trait annoying because they wind up with ten versions of an event and how do they know which one is right?!
Perhaps anthropologists have learned a little - in my own training (and now in my own work) I have learned that there is no singularly correct version of anything; correctness is always perspectival. The only things a person can speak about where perspective is less of an issue is his/her own intent, and his/her own emotion - either of which s/he can lie about, or can change over time.

Thanks for more early morning thought-provocation. :)
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Artaxastra[info]artaxastra on May 23rd, 2005 05:41 am (UTC)
Some very good points here, ones I'd have like to have made as coherently in a number of discussions over the years!

Mostly this: suffering is not amusing. It's not meant to entertain. And if it does, something is wrong.

Which is not at all that I think that one shouldn't take on some heavy topics. In my Black Ships (that's currently eating my brain) one of the secondary characters, Tia, is a teenage girl who has been raped and is pregnant as a result. The thing that's fascinating to me in writing this is looking at how the healing process works without any of the modern "frames", with a Bronze Age mindset and a completely different set of frames, with an oracle to talk to instead of a therapist. Because of course people survived and healed from things long before psychology, and in cultures that have completely different world views. It's interesting to look at ritual as healing -- is this better or worse than a modern frame?

Anyway, I'm digressing. But I do want to say I think you make some excellent points.
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Naomi Novik[info]naominovik on May 23rd, 2005 09:22 am (UTC)
Hi minisinoo -- I have a lot of issues with parts of this essay, and most significantly the write-what-you-know argument and your examples. The response I wanted to make got long, so I ended up putting it in my own lj, but I thought I should point to it:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/naominovik/13859.html

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aliquid stat pro aliquo[info]maygra on May 23rd, 2005 10:47 am (UTC)
While overall, I agree that a writer with comapssion has a definitie advantage in make the emotional content read more "real", I'm more or less with [info]naominovik on the "write what you know issue." She says it more clearly than I can.

And while I might agree that suffering isn't meant to be amusing or to entertain, the truth is that suffering and tragedy have been common topics for entertainment for, well, a really long time...make us laugh or make us cry, those translated tragedies of the human experience are very much entertainment, whether they inded to be or not.
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Alan: WHIP[info]alchemia on May 23rd, 2005 12:36 pm (UTC)
Write what you know?

Well then, perhaps the vast majority of slash writers should stop writting all together- being neither male nor knowing what its like to grow up gay.
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mr profit's girl friday (and all week long)[info]ataniell93 on May 23rd, 2005 12:57 pm (UTC)
You are aware that a significant number of people who write rape fantasy fiction and incest fantasy fiction (not realistic fiction on these topics) have gone through sexually abusive experiences themselves, right?

Your discussions on this topic always leave me feeling like you know an awful lot about how things affect you and people you know, but aren't particularly willing to consider the fact that while some survivors never want to see this stuff again, period, and some only want to see it dealt with 'realistically' there are others who are perfectly fine with the existence of such fiction and enjoy it themselves.

I don't think it's ever compassionate to tell someone they can't say in fiction or otherwise what they feel like saying, whether or not it's real or true or fits your map of the world. It's compassionate to put labels on things so that those not so inclined can avoid reading material that might disturb them, but I do that, and therefore, I don't feel obliged to write only fiction that won't upset anyone.
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menin_aeide on May 23rd, 2005 01:58 pm (UTC)
By this criterion, then, the Bible should be properly labelled. Irresponsible writing in an extreme degree.
cmshaw: Curious Feeling[info]cmshaw on May 23rd, 2005 04:20 pm (UTC)
It has been very interesting to read not only this essay but the various back-and-forth discussion of it -- thank you!

If I may toss my own response into the ring: I read your essay as making two related points, firstly that a writer should understand the impact of her/his writing and seek to write what has a kind impact, and secondly that one of the methods of doing this is to understand what she/he will write about and how it impacts people when it is a real event (or reasonable analogy thereof, for things which could not literally occur). I think another part of this, though, is that a writer should understand how people react to reading about what it is that she/he will write about. Reaction to fiction need not be identical to reaction to reality: it can be more immediate, or less immediate, or directed differently, and all of these are valid uses of fiction. I agree that good fiction needs to understand reality, but I think it also needs to have its other foot in an understanding of fiction itself, and this is neither talent nor craft but another sort of research.
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Hermione "Queen Of The Anal Retentives" Granger: rogue[info]scribbling_elf on May 23rd, 2005 05:27 pm (UTC)
I think *good* writing requires skill with words, some research on necessary facts that you don't know (though I admit, I can be lazy about research), and a core of emotional truth at the center. But it's harder to tell someone to be compassionate in their writing than to tell them to do historical/scientific, etc. research. Facts are facts, but emotional response is more varied and subjective, and you are *always* going to have some people who had a totally different reaction to an equivalent experience. If you haven't experienced something, it's easier to feel insecure about whether you can get that emotional resonance, particularly if there are people saying, "Write about it abc way, never xyz way."

I haven't ever experienced childbirth or the after-effects, but when I wrote my James/Lily story Sex, Love, and Dirty Diapers which deals with that subject, I thought about what I've heard from women who've gone through that, tried to put myself in that place, and then wrote the story as best I could. And the feedback I got from women who actually had experience was positive, saying that it was realistic and authentic. So that was a little moment of writer's triumph. :)

I feel guilty of writing some traumatic stories partially for the sake of being dark and disturbing. Some of this I did on purpose, because I was tired of seeing what I call the "declawed" Wolverine/Rogue fics, where Logan is a soft fluffy romantic hero who does no wrong. I intentionally wrote a story that would clash with that image. I did the same thing when I got tired of seeing "slave" fics in Harry Potter, where being a slave to a Death Eater was made out to be somehow sexy and glamourous for both parties. I wanted to write a story that showed it as pathetic and dehumanizing, so I attempted as best I could--and this was the result. But in all these case, I don't think I'm the best person to judge if there is emotional truth to the story.
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Blu[info]blufiction on May 23rd, 2005 10:37 pm (UTC)
I think I read this before? Maybe not. I don't know if I've had LJ that long. In any case, in regards to your statements on rape in a story and its real-life ramifications (or disturbing lack thereof) -

When I wrote "Force" I received a mojority of comments that went something like "That is so tragic, I hope you never experienced that yourself." This was a good thing, because I certainly did NOT write the story with any other intention than to show it as a terrible, horrific, mentally-derailing experience. I HAVE known people, and a few of them more than just acquaintances, who have been raped. In my case, these were males raped by other males. It often bothered me that some people could write rape and see it as a thrill. True rape, I mean, not some romanticized erotic version where the victim is in fact a wanting and willing "victim" and the "rape" is nothing more than some intense lovemaking ending in gentle kissing and caressing. There's a huge difference and I think it is often forgotten in fanfiction, which bothers me more than a little bit because so many young people read fanfiction, adult wanrings or not, and this attitude seems to trivialize the real tragedy.

Anyhow, one of the most riveting emails I ever received was from a reader who said, in more words than I use now, that s/he was very aroused by the rape scene in "Force." It literally dropped my jaw when I read it, and at the same time I felt a tremendous amount of pity and a little bit of revulsion, to wonder how someone could have so badly misinterpreted the message. All of Force, not just that scene, is dark, cold, and tragic - and I wanted it to be that way, not for reasons of thrill or for emotional impact or melodramatic effect - but because, having known and spoken to rape victims, my friends, I knew there was no romanticism in it, at all. It was gory, vicious, hard and it does lead to serious thoughts of suicide, among other emotional traumas.

Although I would never take back having written it, I did learn that fanfiction is the absolute wrong avenue to use to tell such a story. I don't often deal in absolutes, but that was something I learned, in retrospect. Not only did it infuriate a lot of people who thought I was cheapening the experience, because of my then-reputation as a smut writer (one that I wholeheartedly cultivated, I admit) - it also got misinterpreted and ended being herladed as some kind of wonderfully gothic story for people who, frankly, are sick perverts who get off on actual rape. Which is completely 180 degrees away from my intention in writing it. Both sets were so far off the mark that I decided I wouldn't write something in that vein again, within fanfiction.

So yes, all of what you say, I can echo to others. Be aware of what you are writing, and who you are writing it towards - I will add, intentions and the reasoning in one's own mind are not necessarily what comes across to others. We cannot account for nor feel responsible for someone else's logic, but we also cannot be blind to possibilities. Ignorance is not a trait that can mingle with genius, in other words. Know the effects you can have on others. (And on that note, all of the above advice on research is an excellent starting point!)
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Sollers[info]sollersuk on May 25th, 2005 02:33 pm (UTC)
I find a lot of what you say interesting and it resonates, but I do have some serious problems with some points.

I would agree "Don't trivialise trauma". I am irritated beyond by the tendency, particularly in American thrillers, to have every sympathetic character the victim of some kind of trauma; that is laziness and bad art. However, my take on portraying trauma is, if you're going to have it, give it all you've got. For centuries the only fit subjects for literature in Europe concerned rape, incest, murder, dismemberment, cannibalism. The only variation on this involved, on the whole, making fun of these topics. Yes, there were written books that were not concerned with them, but these weren't literature; they were practical handbooks or history (and fairly often this covered the topics too).

"Write from what you know": I'm sorry, but your definition in your addendum is so wooly as to be uninformative.What I know from my experience is a different creature from what I know from my reading or my conversations with other people, and if these are all included this covers everything except the most rampant forms of imagination.

Taking it in a stricter sense, it would eliminate all science fiction, all fantasy and all historical writing. And before I elaborate on this: most seriously, it would preclude any male from looking at the world from a female pov and vice versa. This is the battle that the Brontes and George Eliot fought, and Trollope too if it comes to that (in the opinion of "my daughter the theologian" one of the only two male readers who can validly portray women). It ghettoises women into "Aga sagas" if they are lucky in their lives and depressing tales of rape and abuse if they are not.

It is a wise move to start from what one knows, but not to stop there. There is a technical term for writing drawn exclusively from one's own life experience: "autobiography". And there is a sibling to this, from the reading side side: paired with the idea that one should write from within one's own world is the idea that one should read what is "relevant" to one's own life, i.e. material written from within one's own world. That would leave me short of reading matter. I once came across one book that dealt with a small part of my life experience, and that was the lot.

Literature (and fanfic is too a branch of literature) goes beyond that. It involves imagination and empathy: moving beyond one's own experience, and interpreting one's experience to others. The thriller writer Dick Francis had a number of features in common in his books: some contact with the world of horse racing, a very traumatic or harrowing situation, and the uncovering to the outside world of some profession - photographer, banker, glass blower, portrait painter. I later learned that he had had contact with one of the harrowing situations. It did not affect either that book or the other ones, and I came away from the books with a better idea of how an accountant's mind work than it would ever have occurred to me that I might want to. That's writing. It didn't trivialise the traumas, but it didn't play them down either.
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M o I {she is poetry and Prozac}[info]the_red_shoes on May 26th, 2005 11:38 am (UTC)
((eyes brewing kerfufflage warily))

writing is a profession that favors age. I got furious once when a multiply-published older author and my then-teacher told me, "No one under twenty-one can write worth shit." I think I was about nineteen at the time. He pissed me off so badly I hurled my typewriter (yes, a typewriter; I am that old) out the window. Now, at forty, I look back on what I wrote when I was nineteen and y'know ... it WAS shit. And it was shit mostly because I hadn't lived long enough to have any real perspective. "Age" isn't the deciding factor, of course. Experience is. That's the difference between knowledge and wisdom, too. One can know everything under the sun but it won't make one wise. Wisdom comes from having lived a little, loved a lot, and listened to others when they shared their hearts and dreams. Compassion wedded to observation, and a certain humor about it all. (God forbid that everything in life be deadly serious!) The wisest man I ever knew had an eighth grade education. Here I sit with a Ph.D. and hope that someday I'm as wise as he was.

That is oh, so v true. I wouldn't go so far as to say talented v young writers can't write worth shit, period, but I look back on, yes, what I wrote when I was 19 or so and it's good -- v good, even -- for a 19-year-old. I know some v young writers who are quite talented (as I was) and are publishing in their early twenties, and while part of me is jealous (true story -- I woke up on my 30th birthday and thought "Now I'll never have a novel published in my twenties") part of me is also sort of....uneasy, because it's not that the stuff isn't _good,_ but I always wonder if premature publishing doesn't stunt a young writer in some way. I saw a program once on child prodigies that commented while there are lots in fields where mastery of skills can be all -- chess, math, piano playing if it was concentrated on technique, &c -- there weren't v many in fields like architecture, painting, writing, because that seemed to require a certain maturity. There was that recent Guardian article that the average age of bestselling authors is fifty -- and while it takes a long time to get a writing career started and to work up to that level of sales, I don't think it's coincidental most best-selling authors are also older.
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Angelic Eye for the Gendered-Species Individual: can't rain all the time[info]rysmiel on May 26th, 2005 11:46 am (UTC)
response part 1
Here via [info]stakebait, and, well, I disagree deeply and fundamentally with much of what you say, and some of it I find actively pernicious.

It's not about 'rules' -- do this; don't do that -- it's about learning to feel (not just think) outside our own skin. Mitakuye oyasin -- we're all relatives. If you can't feel outside your own skin, you can't write well. Compassion is, imo, essential to the author's art.

There are a number of counterpoints to that, but I'll limit myself to what seems the most serious; compassion is in the eye of the receiver. The same degree of staying clear of an emotionally charged situation that may be compassionate to one person who has been hurt by it, can be phenomenally frustrating to a different person who has been through something similar and wants to talk it out and understand it and is prevented from doing so because people will not bring it up lest it "hurt their feelings".

These are my opinions, based on 40 years of living, some of it spent in hospice with the terminally ill,

I appreciate your opinions as valid based on your life-experience; I