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APOD: Hurricane Katrina. Initial reports are that the worst-case scenario has not materialized. The eye is passing 20 miles east of NO, which means that the Big Easy gets the gentle side of the storm, and the Weather Underground guys think a catastrophic failure of the levees is less likely. The worst winds are now anticipated in the Gulfport area.

collated damage report reprinted from a comment on Jeff Master's Wunderground blog by user Orleans77:

Hotel in Harvey, LA did collapse...10 people trapped...

Evac Center in NO Collapsed..300 people stranded..Nat Guard on site...

Dome is structurally sound...the fabric that covers the dome has ripped in 2 places...this is considered minor....

Fires and building collapses are reported in NO....

Many skyscraper windows have blown out...

The levee near 9th street has been breached and there is now 6-8 feet of water in this section of NO...

The above was compiled from the last hr of watching Fox, CNN and MSNBC

There are continuing reports of flooding, and comments on Wunderground blogs indicate that there have been people caught out on highways, but details on fatalities are hard to come by. Now if the Superdome just keeps shedding roof liner and not chunks of structure...

And if I could get my hands on that bitch on CNN who was haranguing that local reporter, trying to get her to condemn the "complacency" of those who did not evacuate, I'd give her and her superior middle-class complacency a thing or two to contemplate. Man, that got right up my nose.

Because it's easy to evacuate if you don't have a car or money for a motel, or if you're too ill to travel.

ETA[info]suricattus has email reports from an emergency worker.

On a lighter note, [info]feyandstrange links movie files compiled from images made by the MESSENGER spacecraft as it performed a gravity assisted swing by the Earth on its way out. The best bit--the telling detail--is the reflection of the sun in the Pacific ocean.

Comments

Because it's easy to evacuate if you don't have a car or money for a motel, or if you're too ill to travel.

Not to mention that as recently as last night, the highways were jammed with cars that could go nowhere.
Did I say grr?
I'm sure you must have!

When I was a kid, and we played 'evacuate!" with our dolls, they never got stuck on the highway...of course, mine always had all their horses with them, too.
I have the Earth movie on loop.

I'm seriously leaking from the eyes, looking at all of us. I feel like we should send ourselves a postcard or something, saying "Thinking of you, hope you are doing well. Love, us."

Amen
Looks like [info]susiesplace_new saw the same CNN reporter you did and had a similar reaction
MSNBC is the place to be right now. My beloved NPR is doing rip and reads off AP, as near as I can tell.

And yes, here we go with a round of blame the victims. It is times like this that I find myself moved to quote Random of Amber: "She's a stupid bitch, and she doesn't deserve to live."
I kept turning on NPR yesterday and man, I normally like the BBC feeds, but right now? Not so much interested.

I miss having the weather channel. Not even just for this. I like weather.
I saw that, too. (bitchy reporter.) grrr.

completely and inappropriately OT

Someone besides my dad and me remembers "rip-n-read"! Awww!

Zelazny quote! Awww!

Turned to MSNBC after CNN when the CNN anchor started saying how HORRIBLE it was people were looting during the hurricane. Well YEAH, it sucks, but it's inevitable, and I would rather the cops and members of armed forces and Nat Guard and whoever else is down there try to find HURT TRAPPED PEOPLE rather than worry about someone who thinks it's a good idea to risk his life ripping off a Winn-Dixie.

ranty McRantpants

Also, not to fill up your LJ with bile, but weren't these reporters and anchors just talking about gas prices going up just a few days ago? Do they know that if it costs people in the suburbs a lot to fill up their SUVs, it costs poor people in crappy neighborhoods even more to get half a tank into their (probably) beat-up gas guzzler? My rage at the person quoted below, who didn't realize that yeah, $50 is going to mean leaving or staying for someone, and that they wouldn't have $50 either just lying around or saved up (because, hell, if you have that much extra cash or savings, you're probably not really poor) is boundless at the moment. -- And even then, it's not just a matter of putting gas in the car and getting the hell out of Dodge. Where are they going? Do they have money to stay at a hotel? For how long? Were they waiting on a relative who didn't have a phone (as was at least one person CNN interviewed in line at the Superdome) and didn't want to leave without them/without knowing at least that person was OK and had somewhere to go?....blahblahblah.

Interesting that the biases and assumptions of a lot of people (i.e. reporters/anchors) never come so much to the fore as when they're concentrating on something else. (This sounds for all the world like some of the "If you're so depressed, why don't you DO something?" or "If you're so poor, why don't you save money?" or "If he beats her, why doesn't she just LEAVE?" "social criticism" rhetoric....)

Re: ranty McRantpants

sing it.
Thanks so much for these links.

I was so horrified when I realised how dificult it was going to be for many to evacuate, and so pleased that the storm has lessened in severity to merely devastating.
I can kick and scream about people who could have left but didn't. I will shout and holler about the people who were told by local hotels, when they called and asked in they should consider cancelling trips to New Orleans "Come on down"--I know they hate to lose business, but there's a limit. Maybe the hotel chains should add some disaster business ethics training for their staff.
But those who were just plain stuck there? I've worked in the wonderful world of welfare for too long to not grasp that some people just don't have a choice. Besides, the tornado we had here in Nashville in 1998 went right over a couple of small nursing homes, and was that ever a learning experience. How do you evacuate a nursing home, Miss CNN Diva? What if the people can't sit up unaided? What if they need oxygen? Or feeding tubes? Or urinary catheters? Or, good forbid, a respirator? What if they suffer from dementia? What about the blind and the lame? Oh, and the homeless. Of course, the poor, the old, the disabled and the homeless are all pretty much invisible from certain angles in this country. Then there are the emergency personnel and the medical personnel who have stayed--a good many of the doctors and others could have left, but stayed because they saw it as their duty. I doubt they're complacent.
No doubt most churches pressed their Sunday vans into use for evacuation, but how many people can you fit into one? Probably not every person in the congregation who needed a ride. Even if all of the public transportation authority's buses, all of the local school buses, every hearse and funeral car, every limousine, and all the moving vans in town (and imagine that evacuation ride, friends and neighbors) was in use, you still can't get every last living soul out, in any degree of safety. Oh, and where do you take them? A population of over a million is not as easy to move as your kid's soccer team, and is a lot more likely to include people with problems that make transporting them, um, challenging. Mayor Nagit was right--getting 80% of the city population out was excellent. I haven't heard how high a percentage of the population in the general area has been evacuated, but I imagine it's similar.

The state and local authorities could have done some better planning, no doubt--but even with that there's a limit on what they could hope to accomplish.
NPR interviewed someone who's sitting out the hurricane, a teacher who stayed because he doesn't have a working car. He mentioned that some of his students had left - because he'd given gas money to their families, money that made the difference between being able to leave and not. The reporter was surprised: "You mean for some of these people fiftyy dollars of gas money made the difference between being able to get out and not?" "Or having a working car," he answered.

I think I understand why this man can't afford to get his car fixed though. May it be accounted unto him for righteousness.
Indeed, although I do wonder why none of his students offered him a place in the gassed-up car, though. In situations like this, "legal capacity" really doesn't have much if any meaning.

Every time I hear phrases like "some people have chosen to ride out the storm," I grumble.

There are always stupidheads who stay behind on purpose, but they don't seem to be in the majority of those being interviewed, this time around.
Initial reports are that the worst-case scenario has not materialized. The eye is passing 20 miles east of NO, which means that the Big Easy gets the gentle side of the storm

Yeah. We dodged the bullet on this, only I think for a lot of people it hasn't sunk in yet (not minimizing what's happening or what's to come -- it is, and is going to be, Bad. But it's not going to be as BAD as it could have been if NOLA had faced a Cat5 head-on).

I got super-annoyed at the CNN reporters who were interviewing people outside the Superdome and inevitably started off with "Why are you still here? Why didn't you LEAVE?" and the victim inevitably looked embarrassed (I would've snapped back, "Well, YOU'RE still here, aren't you?"). The level of self-righteousness and entitlement ("Well why didn't 'those people' just leave?") is astounding.
It's a blame the victim thing.

I will *never* willingly watch CNN again.
Ooooh my. (Well, you won't actually be missing much real news coverage if you do....)
Exactly. Last night, they kept playing a 5 minute report on the World's Ugliest Dog. I'm still not sure HTF that is 'news'.
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