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God is Great, by which I mean, Very Very Large [Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:35 PM]
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I've been thinking about transubstantiation, the belief of many branches of Christianity that when you take communion, the bread and wine transform physically into the flesh and blood of Christ. According to the Catholic Church as late as 1965, this is literally true, not just symbolism: the flesh is present, the bread is gone.

So let's run some numbers....

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[User Picture]From: [info]kespernorth
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:40 PM (UTC)

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Heck, if you're willing to posit that trasubstantiation actually takes place, it's not that far a leap to say that everyone ingests the same eternally renewing Body and Blood of Christ, over and over again.
[User Picture]From: [info]mandil
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:44 PM (UTC)

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According to the literature in the bathroom at my in-laws....the Catholic Church belives this to be true today...not just as recently as 1965.

Maybe I misunderstand what you're saying.
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[User Picture]From: [info]fastfwd
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:49 PM (UTC)

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Actually, it's really more of a loaves and fishes thing.
[User Picture]From: [info]mato
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:50 PM (UTC)

Frink?

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Did you just discover Frink?
[User Picture]From: [info]nightskywarlock
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:52 PM (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: [info]g_na
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:54 PM (UTC)

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A and B don't add up. I'm assuming A takes into account that many people who are baptised catholic eventually eschew the religion once they are old enough to think for themselves.

Communion wafers are much smaller than Ritz crackers. I'm guessing 1/4-1/8 the size of one Ritz, and with less fat.

Catholics nowadays almost never drink the "blood". The priest will "transubstantiate" some wine and take a sip, but it's almost never given to the general public. Maybe they're running out of blood?

The average person sheds 18kg/40 lbs of skin in a lifetime (source: Human Anatomy, Marieb & Mallatt, PeArson Education 2003).
[User Picture]From: [info]catmoran
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:54 PM (UTC)

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I'm way too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure communion wafers are a *lot* thinner than a ritz cracker.

So it's quite possible Jesus is only 250x larger than a blue whale.
[User Picture]From: [info]novalis
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 4:59 PM (UTC)

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In 2001, Clarke claimed that the ratio of dead to living was 30:1, but I don't know whether this was a projection made when 2001 was written, or based on the time that it was written.

[User Picture]From: [info]brad
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 5:01 PM (UTC)

My Jesus

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Jesus
[User Picture]From: [info]zenmonkeykstop
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 5:08 PM (UTC)

Once I caught a Jesus |------------this------------| big...

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I remember hearing that at one stage, there were enough relics of the cross floating around Europe to make a dozen of them. Noow we know why.
[User Picture]From: [info]jkonrath
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 5:09 PM (UTC)

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Humans allegedly shed about 40 pounds of skin in their lifetime. I can't find out any facts on how much of that ends up in other peoples' food, though.

What always got me is this: if you can use anything as the host for communion, and the host "becomes" the flesh of Christ, why not use a cadaver? Wouldn't that essentially bring Jesus back to life into someone's body?
[User Picture]From: [info]primroseport
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 5:10 PM (UTC)

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We shed 1.5 million skin cells every hour with a new skin surface every 28 to 30 days or so.
From: [info]wilecoyote
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 5:12 PM (UTC)

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Wow, you truly are a gentleman of leisure.

Actually, catholics can (and often do) take the Eucharist at every mass, which would mean every week (or even everyday, for hardcore believers). My childhood memory going to the church was that roughly half of the congregation every week stood up to take communion. OTOH, as people have pointed out, nobody except the priest drank the wine. And of course, I don't know to what extent this is extrapolable to the last 2000 years.
[User Picture]From: [info]leolo
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 6:02 PM (UTC)

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According to Roman Catholic dogma, transubstantiation is the change of the substance of the Eucharistic elements — bread and wine — into the body and blood of Jesus, although they retain the physical accidents — i.e. appearance, taste, texture, etc.— of bread and wine.

From Wikipedia

I'd also guess more clues could be had by wading through ECCLESIA DE EUCHARISTIA but I don't have any patience for papal encyclical letters.

[User Picture]From: [info]kzinti
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 6:02 PM (UTC)

What a concept...

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For people who take communion in my church (Methodist), the ritual is merely symbolic cannibalism. For Catholics, though, it's actual cannibalism. Cool. Thou art God.
[User Picture]From: [info]transgress
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 6:14 PM (UTC)

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catholicism is so funny, they _really_ sit down and think some things out, and other things it seems like they ran with a whim on drugs.. but of course I guess it was the 60's.

I'm not religious, but if I was going to be I would go (back) to catholicism, if they would only say 'we sat down and thought about it and it makes best sense to us if...' instead of 'the holy ghost came to us and said'.

[User Picture]From: [info]sugamunki
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 6:39 PM (UTC)

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This math is assuming each person were to receive only One communion in their lifetime?!

Don't most Catholics take up the cup Every week?

therefore we'd have to take
23,000,000,000 (the typical lifespan in years - 8) so for an easy number let's take 78 as the "typical" liespan and then subtract 8 *calculating* = 70...X56 weeks/year...

so we have 23,000,000,000 (70*56) = 90,160,000,000,000
so let's toss that into the equation and see where it brings us!

23,000,000,000 people
× 12 %
× 3920 communion
× 2000 years
= unGodly number here

(this moment of sheer stupidity has been tossed your way out of complete desperation to avoid thinking about homework-sorry to take it out on you)
[User Picture]From: [info]otterley
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 6:54 PM (UTC)

The Fluoride Effect

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What did you have for breakfast today? Because I want some.
[User Picture]From: [info]hawkeyemi
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 7:04 PM (UTC)

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I once heard that 75% of household dust is dead human skin cells. Now you just need numbers for how fast it accumulates.
[User Picture]From: [info]randymorin
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 8:36 PM (UTC)

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And to think I always thought regeneration in omnipotent beings was assumed. Stupid me.
[User Picture]From: [info]mysterc
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 9:52 PM (UTC)

From the one person you know who doesn't want to go to hell...

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Your formula does not include the all powerful nature of God.

The formula should read:
23,000,000,000 people
× 12 %
× 1 communion
× 2000 years
= 5,520,000,000,000 servings

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× 0.25 fl. oz.
= 10,781,250,000 gallons of blood

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× 20 grams
= 243,390,340,000 pounds of flesh
= 121,695,170 tons of flesh
x (n=Alpha+Omega)=
Whatever the bible says it does...

This is the answer that the nuns always gave me (a recovering catholic) whenever I tried to introduce logic into the teachings of the Catholic Church.

God bless



[User Picture]From: [info]baconmonkey
Mon, 25-Apr-2005 10:19 PM (UTC)

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this begs the question: does transubstatiated flesh run the full digestive course?

if yes, there is a huge ammount of literally holy shit out there.
that also puts a new spin on the Pisschrist work.
[User Picture]From: [info]tymothytoastman
Tue, 26-Apr-2005 4:13 AM (UTC)

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Now my question is, does Jesus have an excess of either flesh or blood? What's the normal ratio of blood:body in an adult male? If he's got extra blood, he may be regularly donating it - you could have a bit of Jesus in you.
[User Picture]From: [info]arucard
Tue, 26-Apr-2005 7:31 AM (UTC)

Gluten free wafers

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Hi
I saw this on BoingBoing, and thought you might be interested to know about another problem with the whole transubstantiation thing....

If, when you eat the wafer, it transforms into the flesh of Christ, then it's not the actual wafer you're eating, is it? it wouldn't matter what was in the wafer

So why the heck do they make gluten free communion wafers for people with allergies?
Could it be that they don't have *that* much faith that it really will turn into the flesh of Christ?
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