Insomnia ([info]insomnia) wrote,
@ 2007-12-04 23:08:00
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My thoughts on the sale -- again -- of LiveJournal.

As people have asked for my opinion, I wanted to put this out there... 

Nope, I don't like the idea that LiveJournal has now been sold to SUP, a Russian company with fairly close ties to the Kremlin former-KGB leaders and the plutocrats.

To me, SixApart ended their tenure of owning LJ with a final act of betrayal, because they *knew* that thousands of Russian LiveJournal users didn't want their accounts hosted on SUPs servers. Now, of course, all LJs servers are SUP servers, which is problematic.

I also find the idea of a review board to be questionable, in that:

1> I don't entirely trust Brad to have a permanent seat on the board, in that he's ultimately the reason why LiveJournal has been sold twice. He chose to sell to SixApart, whch has routinely violated their promises to LiveJournal's users. He also played a key role in the initial SUP deal to buy out the Russian users, so he may feel undue pressure not to sour the deal, or simply be willing to give their leadership the benefit of the doubt.

Ultimately, I don't think that Brad's heart is in the wrong place, in that he still does care about the site. Rather, it's that he has a track record for placing undue trust in corporate entities and in avoiding conflict with the same entities, while placing far too little trust in the actual users of the site. I think in some key ways he feels betrayed by the users of LJ, who, let's face it, have a tendency to complain. I know firsthand from my days with LJ that dealing with criticism is a lot of work. However, a culture of empowered users that have the ability to freely, openly criticize and organize against bad practices on the part of LJ is absolutely healthy.
 
2> SUP has indicated that the community will be represented by only two individuals, with additional advisory board members to be named by the company.  How many? We don't know... but it seems to me that the members of LiveJournal will only make up a minority of the board. The rest of the members could very well have business, personal, or professional ties to key members of SUP, and advisory boards made up of business leaders have a habit of looking out for or deferring to each other.

3> In that the members of LJ appointed to the board could be a small minority of the total board, there is a significant risk that any LJers appointed to the board will be little more than window dressing, designed to give the appearance of accountability without actual accountability.

4> The board itself may lack the power and access to relevant information inside the company to make informed decisions regarding what's really going on vis-a-vis potential misuses of SUPs authority. Sure, they might be able to vote on some matters, but would they know if someone at SUP in Russia accessed the network and deleted accounts, did an IP / email address lookup on who a particular LJer was, or redesigned the network in such a manner as to allow for unmonitored access?

5> The committee in question only issues non-binding recommendations to management, and may potentially lack the ability to issue recommendations on some subjects.

This is not to say that I am opposed to such a committee, as some oversight is better than none at all. It's just that I see strong potential for misuse. I also think a similar committee is needed to decide what code goes into the site and becomes a part of the open source codebase, in that LiveJournal users badly need features like seamless migration, authentication, and syndication between the various LJ code sites, so that if they don't feel "locked in". Unfortunately, those features have simply not been approved, greenlighted, or supported by anyone in LJ's past management -- with the possible exception of me -- to date.   
 
Here's a secret that few people have talked about within LiveJournal.  Code was put into the site back when I was working for it that allowed administrators to track a user's IP address and notify administrators when they're online. It was added for the best of reasons because of a very serious criminal investigation in the US, but it could be misused by request of the Russian government if that authority and those privileges are unmonitored and that power is put into the wrong hands.

To be fair, given the large number of Russian ZhivoiZhurnal users, there could potentially be situations in the future where it might be the right thing to do to allow Russian law enforcement agencies access to personal user information to assist with criminal investigations... and, infact, it could've already happened for all I know. But given the Russian government itself, what assurances would LiveJournal have that any such investigation request wouldn't be politically motivated? There are already moves in the works to tighten Kremlin control of the internet

I would hope that SUPs acquisition of LiveJournal has no role whatsoever in any such changes within the Kremlin, and that SUP's management will not only allow a review board, but also grant them the kind of access they might need to fully address all the concerns of Russian LiveJournal users. 

Russian LiveJournal users don't just need to know that they technically have some kind of representation on a non-binding review board. They need responsibly monitored systems in place so that those user-appointed board members can be absolutely sure that SUP is not, cannot, and has no ability to violate their privacy and their trust without someone finding out. 

ZhivoiZhurnal plays a vital role in Russia's political and journalistic discourse. Many Russian members of LiveJournal are journalists, and, the last time I heard, Russia was one of the five most dangerous countries worldwide to be a journalists. For this reason, the assurances that Russian members of LiveJournal are given must be absolute, verifiable, and concrete. There must be no "chilling effect". Qute the opposite -- SUP should actively encourage an unprecidented, unrestricted environment for free thought and free speech.

I am rather familiar with some of the excesses of what it's like running a business in Russia... and it's not pretty. Most any successful businessman in Russia has, unfortunately, been forced to be a bit criminal in order for their business to survive. Violence, intimidation, extortion, bribery... you name it. If you're unwilling to run your shop in an "unorthodox" manner at times un such an environment, you're toast. Presumably, things are getting a bit better, but still...    

The most questionable part of SUP is Alexander Mamut, who according to this 1999 New York Times article "has gone from being a little-known financier to being labeled as the Kremlin's latest all-purpose power-broker, whom the Russian media has linked to a corporation charged with operating an illegal money transfer business through the Bank of New York."

Let's be clear... the guy with the money in this deal ultimately has the ability to call the shots, should he choose to exercise such power. 

Still , I would like to believe that SUP could be a trustworthy owner to the site, and I would like to hope that they'll be a more honest, more trustworthy owner than SixApart was. I would like to believe the best about them. But if they want me to believe the best of them, their management must recognize the need for an unprecedented level of transparency, disclosure, and accountability.

Trust, but verify. 

Lastly, I have been asked by several members of LiveJournal whether I would run for one of the user-elected seats. I think that if I did that, it would only be asking for trouble, and for the reopening of old wounds. I feel as though Brad Fitzpatrick betrayed my trust, betrayed his creation, and was simply too trusting of the dotcommers. Perhaps he was a bit fascinated by the whole dotcom "cult of personality" show, the parties, etc. Perhaps he always wanted to be one himself. Not sure. 

Most LiveJournal users simply don't know or have forgotten that Brad sold freevote.com to a "punch the monkey" banner ad dotcom company, long before he sold livejournal.com. Given that we've now found LiveJournal in this situation -- betrayals, crappy management, lousy public relations from 6A, followed by a sale to a Russian startup with business links to the Kremlin, the whole "Cult of Brad" phenomenon simply isn't warranted and really, really should die a foul death. Ultimately, Brad didn't trust the people of LiveJournal to run the site, so why should the people of LiveJournal trust him? As good of a programmer as he is, it should be abundantly clear by now that Brad isn't very good at business, or at finding trustworthy businesses to run LiveJournal. I would like to hope that he could perhaps redeem himself one day, but I can't see how he will so long as he keeps giving his blessing to people to do whatever they want to do to the site, placing his trust in businesses who, in turn, have systematically betrayed us.   

Although I would not say no if one of the SUP-appointed seats was offered to me or if there was a lack of qualified candidates and a considerable call for me to throw my hat in the ring, I have no plans of running for a seat. I've been an advocate to LJ's users before, working freely on their behalf, overseeing LJ's volunteers, and, frankly, what I did largely went unappreciated. 

I've even had to deal with ignorant jackholes for changing "the tone of the LJ community from friendly anarchism to top down authoritarianism". Nevermind the fact that I oversaw the site from 2000 - 2002, during the period of time that they consider to be the golden age of LiveJournal, and that the site started going downhill after I left. I oversaw and directly trained a small team of abuse volunteers, handled the PR and marketing side of things myself so that we had a consistant, professional message to the public, and generally left the Support Manager to his own devices, in a very independent manner. Heaven forbid that volunteers collaborate together, working in groups! Even friendly anarchists need training and some kind of meritocracy in place in order to effectively get things done. 

Really, the authoritarianism came from Brad, who systematically took power away from LiveJournal's volunteers, gave it to his friends and several members of his family, betrayed many of LJ's open source developers and support volunteers, and turned LJ into a dotcom with offices in Portland. Why? Because he hated coding alone, felt overwhelmed dealing with volunteers, and wanted to work with his friends more than anything else, I suspect. 

Understandable, yet ultimately selfish and destructive reasons. Just like the reason he sold LJ. Because he felt overwhelmed. Some of us didn't have the luxury of being so selfish. We were too busy trying to make the site a successful volunteer-run, open source web project. For those who knew me during those days and saw the kind of hours I put in, you know that there was time for very little else in my life.  
 
Things really came to a head when there was considerable criticism about Brad buying a house, big car, etc. with revenue from LJ. I was effectively demoted after getting into an argument with his mother Sandy, because I requested that LiveJournal start revealing financial information to the people who were helping fund the site, so they knew where there money was going. My argument was that if Brad was getting paid back for money he himself put out for bandwidth, etc. for a long time, people would understand, and the accusations of financial irresponsibility would go away.

As she said, "they're just customers". Brad took her side. After that, it was all downhill. 

So no, I don't think it would be best for *ME* personally to get reinvolved with LiveJournal, even though it might be a good thing for the site as a whole. It sounds like another opportunity for me to get paid nothing in order to help build and legitimize someone else's dotcom, frankly.  

I do, however, have some very firm ideas on who would make a good boardmember. I think it's very important that we not just appoint some sort of fashionplate popular LJer or two, because they simply would lack the tools to potentially combat the problems that we could all face. 

What I think would be best is if we were to form a unified ticket composed of one person from Russia and one from the West, both of who have exhibited a strong history of internet rights advocacy, who are aware of the issues involved, who know the right questions to ask, the right information to ask for, and who can act in a united, decisive way to represent our interests. I have identified several people who fit this criteria, and I'm going to do my best to encourage those I consider worthy of running to step forward.

I would hope that all of you would do a similar level of research, and also recommend to whatever candidates you feel would do the best job that they run. Frankly, we would be lucky if they did, because oftentimes, those who are most qualified to run are paradoxically the most reticent to do so, usually for very understandable reasons.   



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[info]al_iguana
2007-12-05 05:46 pm UTC (link)
I don't know mate, honestly. The last thing LJ needed was to go from one group of business-people to another. Here's what I think LJ needs. Call me old-fashioned, but LJ should have gone into the hands of the users. All the pay users get their hard-earned cash transfered into shares. Call me naive, but I'm sick to death of my RSS feed everyday reading "xx startup gets $13 cash injection" etc. I'm sick of people promising web "communities", when what they are are marketing opportunities for big business. We (the users of LJ) aren't "customers" or "punters", we are USERS. We are AUTHORS. It is OUR content. Why should some conglomerate make big bucks off OUR content? They should bloody be paying us for it. By the word.

Al - Early adopter who has had enough

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[info]thatdamnninja
2007-12-05 05:49 pm UTC (link)

I had no idea you worked there. Your user advocacy posts are coming into a different light to me now.

Glad you weighed in. I almost deleted in utter disgust when this news broke but I'm glad I didn't. I'm going to see what happens.

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[info]fengi
2007-12-05 06:44 pm UTC (link)
"Here's a secret that few people have talked about within LiveJournal. Code was put into the site back when I was working for it that allowed administrators to track a user's IP address and notify administrators when they're online."

Does "when they're online" mean "online using LiveJournal" or "online whenever they are connected to the IP in any way"?

If it's the first one, not so bad. If it's the second one, is it legal for them to be doing that?

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[info]kayay
2007-12-05 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I agree about Brad's questionable reliability and was complaining about this to a friend earlier. He may still care in that LJ was his initially but he's too concerned with pleasing the corporate powers that be to be trusted. That he didn't take the time to understand what the last brouhaha was about, why users were upset, instead watering it down to it being all about porn, made me realize that he doesn't want to put the time into LJ anymore to be an effective representative or adviser. He didn't stand up for users either when ads were introduced. He may not get paid by them officially, but he's getting something out of it, net fame? More cult followers?Trips overseas?

As for the LJ representatives, it's a potential popularity contest, rife with favoritism and ugly politics. Just look at the issues with the Abuse Team for hints at problems to come when you've only got two official reps to deal with a community of thousands, two people who can't possibly represent every interest, fandom, and opinion out there and who may be running for the position for all the wrong reasons, power and popularity rather than really caring, and possibly lacking the ability to handle the position and all the headaches that'll come with it.

What I also wonder is how this will effect LJ's TOS. Just what laws will we be held to, especially if the HQ moves? Russia's?

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(no subject) - [info]insomnia, 2007-12-05 08:55 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]0x
2007-12-05 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Wow, what an amazing entry. I agree with all points, especially the bits about Brad. What do you think users should do?

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[info]shreela
2007-12-05 10:38 pm UTC (link)
I fiddled around with LJ a bit, but never got heavily involved, and now I'm glad. The community part of it sounded great if someone could figure out how to work LJ properly (lol, not me), but I lost interest in learning it when 6A bought it. I used MoveableType for quite a while, and switched over to WordPress a bit before 6A sucker punched the people using MT.

I mostly read newsfeeds now, and you're the only LJ newsfeed I sub to. I enjoy many of your posts, but mostly how you bring people together in disasters. Perhaps you could blog any new happenings with Brad and 6A in the future, so I'll know which companies to avoid if they're involved 8^)

Make sure to post a new newsfeed here if/when you leave.

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[info]gehdra
2007-12-06 11:27 am UTC (link)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who is thinking "If Brad is so great, why did he sell us in the first place?"

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[info]stewardess
2007-12-06 07:17 pm UTC (link)
But if they [SUP] want me to believe the best of them, their management must recognize the need for an unprecedented level of transparency, disclosure, and accountability.

Yes. But I don't see it happening.

Edit: It's difficult for a company to accomplish that even when it wants to, and has the people in place to make it happen. Since SUP plans to go global, perhaps they've written off the Russian users and are looking to sign up apathetic teenagers worldwide.

Edited at 2007-12-06 07:37 pm UTC

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[info]kali921
2007-12-06 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Linked via [info]stewardess, and thank you so much for this post - I have read posts from you before, over the years, and very much appreciate the hard work you've put into LJ over the years, as well as the time you took to meticulously craft this post. You've voiced all of the concerns that I have - as someone familiar with business practices and the absolute lack of privacy laws in Russia, I'm utterly appalled by the sale, and at the quiescence of many LJ people in general, who seem unworried.

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[info]mynn
2007-12-06 08:52 pm UTC (link)
Linked via [info]stewardess. Thank you for weighing in; I hope your suggestions are taken and used.

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[info]elfwreck
2007-12-06 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Were you aware that some search terms are blocked?

I am not filled with Happy Peaceful Thoughts at what I've seen of our new communist overlords.

(I do like the idea of the unified ticket, one from the west, one from Russia. I'd have no idea how the one from Russia should be selected, 'cos I don't think it'd be fair to insist on fluency in English. But I can think of a few candidates for the western one--people who've been active on the recent News & Biz posts, who post clear questions, who are aware that business isn't going to vanish overnight and are trying to insist on fair dealings with customers, not "treat us all like our every whim should establish policy.")

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[info]grendelity
2007-12-06 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Re: discussion and nominating people, where would you recommend going for that? I'm not aware of a community that centers around that right now, and I really would like to keep an eye on what's happening, but I'm afraid I just don't know of any place right now. I feel like I'm oblivious, and I really want to change that, but I don't know where to start.

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[info]eatsoylentgreen
2007-12-06 11:53 pm UTC (link)
well, in Russia, there are pro-former-KGB, pro-Putin businessmen, and then there are former businessmen.

I trust the Russians with my privacy more than any American company. But the Russians have no more business ethics than the Americans, which means, they have none at all.

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[info]pandorasblog
2007-12-07 12:03 am UTC (link)
Linked via [info]stewardess. This illuminates a lot of the issues for me; I've been on LJ since 2003 but I've largely learned about the politics and dodgy business decisions secondhand.

In general the people best equipped to be leaders or representatives are indeed those who don't push themselves forward too much, and I agree that identifying these people is a priority.

One question I haven't seen answered is whether this board would meet physically or conduct its business electronically - if we were to have a Russian as well as a Western representative, I'd imagine they'd depend on things being handled via e-mail or a private community.

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[info]sunfell
2007-12-07 01:44 am UTC (link)
Thanks for this information, [info]insomnia- it's given me lots of food for thought, and a good reason to bail out. I hate to do it, too- LJ has been a great place to link, think, and talk, and a little hobby horse community about religion I started back in '03 has exploded to over 1500 people. We're mirrored over at Insane Journal now.

What next? Will this be a no-go place for folks who would prefer not to be tracked? Will logging out, and flushing the cache and cookies kill the trackers?

I feel like I've lost my best friend- or that my 'best friend' has become a brain-eating zombie that I have to deal with. I'm actually grieving, which is strange. There is a huge body of work I have to back up, move, and delete, and tons of stuff I have to reconfigure because I feel that the trust is lost.

Sorry about the ramble- I'm sure that lots of other denizens and soon to be former denizens of LJ feel the same way. What's next? Maybe my 'internet decade' is coming to an end. That truly saddens me.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2007-12-07 02:45 am UTC (link)
Linked from insanejournal. Thanks for this post.

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[info]chalcopyrite
2007-12-07 10:55 am UTC (link)
Despite being on LJ since 2001, I've been very head-in-the-sand about what's going on backstage. Thanks for this very clear laying-out of backstory and context.

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[info]siliconshaman
2007-12-07 07:30 pm UTC (link)
You know, this might not be a bad thing after all...not in the long run.

It may present an opportunity you see.

Sure, SUP is in tight with the Kremlin, but that could cut both ways. If the users and journalists create enough of a stink so as embarrass the politico's and damage SUP's reputation, which as a media company is all about image... then it's quite possible that SUP might think about selling off LJ or more correctly, LiveJournal Inc.

At which point, a user buy out becomes a possibility, either via taking over the advisory board, or if SUP floats a LJ Inc IPO and then individual users buying shares.

Machiavellian, but it seems that's what's needed.

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[info]distaff_exile
2007-12-07 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Excellent essay, one I'll be saving. Permission to link?

Trust, but verify.

My dad uses this phrase all the time. Where did it come from?

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[info]tsukinofaerii
2007-12-07 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Sorry for butting in - I'm an unknown to you almost certainly, but while reading this a thought occurred to me, and it seemed unsettling enough to share.

Anyone familiar with the US presidential elections or US history will know about the electoral college. It was originally instituted because the people designing the system believed that the presidential election would have too many candidates to be effective. People would vote for the person from their own area, and the result would be that no one would be able to win based on popular vote.

Anyone familiar with recent politics will know the arguments against the continued usage of the electoral college. It's an easily abused institution.

It seems to me that LiveJournal Elections are set up for this sort of problem to occur. The chances of any two candidates rising to the top for a clear victory are almost unimaginably small. So who, in this case, is our electoral college? This worries me, because it wouldn't take much for the PTB to over-ride any election where the winners failed to achieve a certain percentage. Depending on how they design the elections, two puppet accounts could end up being our representatives, and we wouldn't be able to do a thing about it.

This makes it all that much more important that we unite strongly behind a small selection of candidates.

¬¬ [info]stewardess for rep!!eleventy!

Also, you've said you don't want to be a board member... but have you thought about offering your services as a sounding board? I've never heard of you before (sorry!), but you seem like a fairly sane and decent person. That plus your stated experience could mean a lot to the people who end up starting this thing.

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[info]scooterbird
2007-12-07 08:57 pm UTC (link)
First of all, hi. I'm just another user, and found your post through an entry on InsaneJournal, which I was studying while contemplating a move. I have added you as a friend, as I was perusing your interests and bio, and, even apart from this issue, I feel we have a lot in common. (Please let me know if this is Not Cool, and I'll remove you. Regardless, you are welcome to add me in return.)

I've brought up the problems with LJ to my flist, and it seems that most don't get it; I would hope that this very incisive post would change their minds, but I have a feeling that most will not unless they are affected directly. Most seem to feel this is colossally unlikely, and I have a feeling I'm acquiring a reputation for paranoia among my friends (almost all of whom are actually my friends), though I simply see it as a matter of seeking decent customer service. How likely do you feel it is that problems will arise in the near future?

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[info]antonia_tiger
2007-12-08 05:22 pm UTC (link)
A little story: I was at the 1990 Worldcon, in Europe, which seemed awash with folks from the far side of the old iron curtain. And one or two people I knew slightly were getting nervous.

I don't know anything for sure about where they worked, and some of what I did hear I maybe got wrong. But I'm pretty sure they had security clearances which involved rules on reporting contacts with foreign nationals.

I don't know how such rules might have adapted to the internet, but a Russian-owned operation which has unknown IP-monitoring software?

And I'm really glad that I'm not in the USA.

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[info]doingsoso
2007-12-08 09:51 pm UTC (link)
No. What needs to happen is someone needs to go elsewhere and open the Real Live Journal, the way it was, and the way it should be again. I'm not comfortable with foriegners having access to any data about me, seeing as Putin is rattling sabers, and in bed with China. China is at the forefront of Cyber attacks against security systems everywhere and corporate information theft.

With the new owner being in so close to Putin and with the recent election debacles, I don't believe in coincidences. And it is TOO much of a coincidence. The US now has info open and avilable to anyone who wants to open an account.

Those poor Ruskies need to pull out their encrypting software and their anonymizers, sigh.

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[info]serai1
2007-12-09 08:23 pm UTC (link)
"they're just customers"???

What the hell is THAT supposed to mean? Yeah, we're "just customers". We're just the people WHO ARE PAYING YOUR FRIGGING SALARIES. The people who are PAYING FOR ALL YOUR TOYS.

Gods, what a selfish twat. If that's the attitude espoused by Brad and his bunch, then I'm done paying them money. I'll ride out this last membership, but no more. I'm already setting up journals elsewhere, and I'll end up taking mine out of here.

Like an earlier poster said, it's OUR content. There's no reason in hell why we should be paying for this kind of treatment. Like the man said, "Life's too short to drink bad wine."

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[info]dracula_disco
2007-12-18 06:55 pm UTC (link)
In Soviet Russia, blog writes you!

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