Matt ([info]insomni_matt) wrote,
@ 2005-06-03 01:26:00
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Gwen Stefani's Harijuku girls.
Ok.

Here's the problem. Is a questionable action validated merely because members of the group to be offended are a party to the offending group? The Harijuku girls of Gwen Stefani, arguably, illicit wrongful stereotypes of Asian-American, or more specifically Japanese, females. The girls are displayed BECAUSE they are Japanese. Apparently, they aren't allowed to speak english, even though they can (one, apparently, is from the US, but under contract, is prohibited to speak English). The range of wrongful stereotype stemming from the Harijuku girls depends on the collective opinion of the masses. One thing is for sure, however: it doesn't promote diversity, and it certainly implies ethinic-function and positioning.

So what's so complex about this issue? Well, no one FORCED the girls to do it. It's another example of self-stereotyping. Like African-American comics. We are told to not place ethnicities into stereotypes, yet the ethnicities place themselves in the stereotypes. One option would be to ostracize the girls for taking up the job of being Harijuku girls. But, in my opinion, if it wasen't those 4 exact girl, it would have been another 4. As long as there's money to be made, there'll be someone there to make it.

So how "should" we see them? I don't know. All I know is that it's hard to tell everyone that no one is representative of a group when the groups themselves want to retain dignity by seperating themselves. The Japanese want to be Japanese, but, technically, no Japanese is like all the other Japanese. Hmm.


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[info]sheshystar
2005-06-03 03:09 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I was actually just thinking about them the other day. In her stupid song that she stole from a Jewish movie, when she is talking about them... God I want to smack her.

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YOUR A JERK
(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 01:42 am UTC (link)
I WANT TO SMACK YOU JERK

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[info]red_claws
2005-06-03 03:33 pm UTC (link)
An interesting question, to be sure. I found the entire situation to be tasteless and inappropriate for a supposedly enlightened age. In all fairness, the blame cannot be placed on a single entity or organization for allowing this travesty to take place. Furthermore, we are also looking at a failure of the public conscience for not raising hell over this clear oversight of well, human-rights policy. Even though the girls did sign contracts maintaining themselves as manifested figments of Stefani's imagination, that such a contract was offered in the first place is disgusting. A human being cannot be used as a means unto an end -- in this case, we are looking at Stefani using the girls as a means to set up a certain image, and the studios using them as a means of generating income.

I think this goes way beyond race issues.

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 02:30 pm UTC (link)
GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[info]red_claws
2005-10-23 04:09 pm UTC (link)
Um, wow.

I am laid waste by your scathingly germane rebuttal. The ad hominem response was most certainly at the highest level of intellectual discussion I have ever had the priviledge of witnessing. Now I must reevaluate all of my opinions.

The irony of that statement just blows my mind.

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hi
(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 09:38 pm UTC (link)
is that all??

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Re: hi
[info]red_claws
2005-10-23 11:44 pm UTC (link)
You amuse me, kitten.

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[info]legiopraetoria
2005-06-03 07:32 pm UTC (link)
I know nothing about this situation and I'm pretty thankful for that. It sounds like dirty pool to me.

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i don't know
(Anonymous)
2005-06-04 05:16 pm UTC (link)
i don't know so much that it's an issue in this case. i think that she should have thought twice before agreeing to the strictures of their contracts, but in the end, they are the ones who signed them, so we can't fully blame her.

the thing about HGs is that some people want to believe that Japanese girls are a certain way. most people know that they are not. some people want to believe that's what they're for - to look cute. most people (with any intelligence) know that it's not the case. i think the problem will exist only as long as the HGs allow it to exist. i think that if, in their contracts, they are allowed to speak for themselves at certain times, or in certain places, people would see it for what it really is - just a job.

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Re: i don't know
[info]insomni_matt
2005-06-04 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Saying it's "just a job" is problematic. Technically, slavery was "just a job." It was just a very very very very BAD job. So now that we know that they AREN'T practically allowed to speak for themselves, save for screaming in Japanese whenever Gwen has attracted the attention of the media, they are contractually obliged to not speak for themselves.

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Re: i don't know
(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 02:28 pm UTC (link)
I think you need to think about how they had to sign a contract for the job, it was their choice.

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Re: i don't know
[info]slamlander
2007-06-07 04:59 am UTC (link)
Even in a contract, you cannot sign your rights away. Some of the claims that I've seen about this are downright laughable. They won't stand up in court!

(IANAL applies)

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Re: i don't know
[info]insomni_matt
2007-06-07 05:02 am UTC (link)
How in the world did you find this ancient post? hahaha

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Re: i don't know
[info]slamlander
2007-06-07 05:51 am UTC (link)
I was researching Harajuku.
I wasn't watching the date stamps.

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Re: i don't know
[info]insomni_matt
2007-06-07 06:57 am UTC (link)
That's cool.

Anyway, I wonder whether the rest of the terms of the contract are all voided if one item in the contract is illegal. For instance, if Gwen Stefani suddenly decides ti stop paying the girls, can the girls fall back on the contract to sue for payment?

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Re: i don't know
[info]slamlander
2007-06-07 07:06 am UTC (link)
If it has the standard severability clause in it (and they always do, unless the lawyers are completely incompetent), no. Finding a single illegal clause doesn't usually void a contract. Each clause is usually severable from the rest of the contract.

(IANAL- I am not a Lawyer. See a real lawyer before taking my advice.)

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[info]kaitastrophe
2005-06-04 05:32 pm UTC (link)
but honestly, who else in the music industry can leitimately say:

"THIS SHIT IS BANANAS! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!"

really...

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[info]insomni_matt
2005-06-04 10:10 pm UTC (link)
CAN or SHOULD?

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...
(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 01:46 am UTC (link)
I love Gwen, and have for at least 4 years, I think that if Harajuku Girls want to follow her around they can and no one should take time out of their lives to whine about it. It was their choice, it is no disgusting that there is a contract such as this, because no one has to do it. So to all haters, GET A LIFE!!

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Re: ...
[info]dannax
2005-10-23 06:32 pm UTC (link)
To all haters - get a life, eh? For someone who is posting anonymously on someone else's livejournal, the latter bit of your statement seems to apply best to you...

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!!
(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 09:37 pm UTC (link)
the latter bit of your statement seems to apply best to you...
my point is made.....so shut up

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Re: !!
[info]iceowl
2005-10-24 06:28 am UTC (link)
Your point is retarded and immature, and you're a coward. Please die a lonely death.

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Re: !!
[info]insomni_matt
2005-10-24 07:50 pm UTC (link)
*high five*

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Re: !!
[info]red_claws
2005-10-25 03:17 am UTC (link)
*down low*

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Re: !!
[info]iceowl
2005-10-25 03:28 am UTC (link)
haha ;)

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Re: !!
[info]dannax
2005-10-25 04:57 am UTC (link)
Why are you still here? I made a mistake and thought this thread was new, but hanging around (anonymously) for something that's four months old is just insane. Do yourself a favour and just go quietly. It's fairly obvious that nobody here is taking you seriously.

Also, the exclamation marks are just excessive (and a gaudy eyesore).

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Re: !!
(Anonymous)
2005-10-25 09:13 pm UTC (link)
I Know, i'm leaving, byebye

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WHATEVER
[info]sam989
2006-03-25 08:29 pm UTC (link)
This is nonsense. All Stefani wanted to do was to use Harajuku Girl's image to create this kind of impact around the world. This is exactly what she wanted! You guys are giving way too much importance on the subject! The contract those girls signed prohibited them to speak in english ONLY during her interviews or while performing. Perhaps you should start argueing about madonna.. Her dancers come from all around the world and they are neither allowed to speak english nor their own language. It's a job like any other in the show business. Just like matt said it was their choice. Do not compare them with slaves.

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