ginmar (![[info]](http://p-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} ginmar) wrote,@ 2005-06-05 07:41:00 |
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Helpful reminder
After looking over the past few posts, I've identified a whole bunch of trollish statements which help identify anti-feminist trolls, or twits of the first order. I'll be posting responses later.
1. But don't feminists think that----?
2. But according to standard feminst logic, isn't that---?
3. That's sexist against men!
4. Men get raped too, you know! By women!
5. The patriarchy hurts men, too, you know!
6. Feminists just create a culture of victimization.
7. Men are so horny they can't help it.
8. Women don't have sex drives.
9. Any variation of these stereotypes: Women lie, exaggerate, are overly emotional, prone to panic, fear, etc., etc., Included in here is any commentary about false rape accusations designed to show that women are, of course, prone to lie. Any explicit reference to women's emotions.
10. Any variation of these stereotypes about men, which justify coddling and deny responsibility: Men are just guys, just horny, mean no harm, just want to have sex and beer.
11. Any variation of this cry: Hey, not all men are bad! Not all men are rapists! Not all men are...this, that, the other.
12. Any variation of this statement: I've never experienced this. So what's the matter with you?
13. Any variation of the opposite statement: I've done this and it's wonderful and great and so none of those other people must be doing it right or they're just not as special as I am.
14. I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist.
15. Any statement which begins like this: I'm not a feminist, but....
16. You stifle dissent!
17. No, it's not.
18. Any variation of these platitudes: Life is great, why don't you just get out more, cheer up, smell the roses, pat the baby duckies, and so forth and so on. Related to #25 and #13.
19. Violence against women isn't the problem; it's violence in general. Usually used with more general topics than rape.
20. Feminists do this, that and the other.
21. Andrea Dworkin said all sex is rape.
22. Feminists just want to take over, hate men, hate sex, think all sex is rape, are all fat lesbians, don't shave their legs, etc., etc.,
23. Women unfairly get custody too much of the time.
24. Men are getting screwed by: (multiple choice; supply your own but my favorite is the 'Men die sooner, you know! option. Like, do feminists cause this?)
25. (Nationality) women have it so good here. Look at Afghanistan. Why are you bitching?
26. Men have to work dangeroushigh-paying jobs from which women have been excluded jobs to support their families.
27. There's no such thing as male privelege because I do not feel priveleged. (Or some other story about themselves.)
28. Women have all the power. Women can get laid any time. Men suffer because they have to ask for dates and stuff. And then pay for it.
29. Men have to go to war, you know.
30. Men created all this stuff, and women sat on their asses and did nothing.
31. Women can have abortions but men have no say in the matter!
32. Feminists won't let battered men into battered womens' shelters.
33. Women secretly beat up men just as much as men beat up women.
34. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you by saying any of these things, but I thought you liked debate.
35. IS NOT!
36. IS TOO!
37. I just think you suck and all feminists suck and you're a bitch and a fascist for not letting me spout my drivel as long as I want about whatever subject I want and say whatever I think. Bitch.
38. The pretentious version of #37, except with those SAT vocab words.
Sigh. 39. Related to #12, 14, and 19: But I say this all the time, and I don't mean it like that, and I've never heard of anybody using it like that, so that's all that matters.
sigh again.40. I've never heard of feminism or sexism so I'm just trying to find stuff out about it. Often accompanied by #1 and #2, and every dodge in the book. Often accompanied by coy and leading questions, plus protestions of innocence and pleas of, "But I thought...!" that are in and of themselves insulting. "I thought feminists hated men and wanted to kill them and take over."
Sigh. 41. So I compared a woman to an inanimate object. What's your problem?
Sigh 42. You just hate me because I have a penis! I cannot believe I forgot that one.
43. Feminazi.
44. You're nuts.
You know, the most depressing thing about this list is that the trolls do seem to think that using these tactics is not trolling, and that you are the problem. They compare their trolling to your response to it---and it's equal to them.
45. Feminists are all alike and they demand that everybody think the same thing. Always said after some complicated critique.
After looking over the past few posts, I've identified a whole bunch of trollish statements which help identify anti-feminist trolls, or twits of the first order. I'll be posting responses later.
1. But don't feminists think that----?
2. But according to standard feminst logic, isn't that---?
3. That's sexist against men!
4. Men get raped too, you know! By women!
5. The patriarchy hurts men, too, you know!
6. Feminists just create a culture of victimization.
7. Men are so horny they can't help it.
8. Women don't have sex drives.
9. Any variation of these stereotypes: Women lie, exaggerate, are overly emotional, prone to panic, fear, etc., etc., Included in here is any commentary about false rape accusations designed to show that women are, of course, prone to lie. Any explicit reference to women's emotions.
10. Any variation of these stereotypes about men, which justify coddling and deny responsibility: Men are just guys, just horny, mean no harm, just want to have sex and beer.
11. Any variation of this cry: Hey, not all men are bad! Not all men are rapists! Not all men are...this, that, the other.
12. Any variation of this statement: I've never experienced this. So what's the matter with you?
13. Any variation of the opposite statement: I've done this and it's wonderful and great and so none of those other people must be doing it right or they're just not as special as I am.
14. I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist.
15. Any statement which begins like this: I'm not a feminist, but....
16. You stifle dissent!
17. No, it's not.
18. Any variation of these platitudes: Life is great, why don't you just get out more, cheer up, smell the roses, pat the baby duckies, and so forth and so on. Related to #25 and #13.
19. Violence against women isn't the problem; it's violence in general. Usually used with more general topics than rape.
20. Feminists do this, that and the other.
21. Andrea Dworkin said all sex is rape.
22. Feminists just want to take over, hate men, hate sex, think all sex is rape, are all fat lesbians, don't shave their legs, etc., etc.,
23. Women unfairly get custody too much of the time.
24. Men are getting screwed by: (multiple choice; supply your own but my favorite is the 'Men die sooner, you know! option. Like, do feminists cause this?)
25. (Nationality) women have it so good here. Look at Afghanistan. Why are you bitching?
26. Men have to work dangerous
27. There's no such thing as male privelege because I do not feel priveleged. (Or some other story about themselves.)
28. Women have all the power. Women can get laid any time. Men suffer because they have to ask for dates and stuff. And then pay for it.
29. Men have to go to war, you know.
30. Men created all this stuff, and women sat on their asses and did nothing.
31. Women can have abortions but men have no say in the matter!
32. Feminists won't let battered men into battered womens' shelters.
33. Women secretly beat up men just as much as men beat up women.
34. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you by saying any of these things, but I thought you liked debate.
35. IS NOT!
36. IS TOO!
37. I just think you suck and all feminists suck and you're a bitch and a fascist for not letting me spout my drivel as long as I want about whatever subject I want and say whatever I think. Bitch.
38. The pretentious version of #37, except with those SAT vocab words.
Sigh. 39. Related to #12, 14, and 19: But I say this all the time, and I don't mean it like that, and I've never heard of anybody using it like that, so that's all that matters.
sigh again.40. I've never heard of feminism or sexism so I'm just trying to find stuff out about it. Often accompanied by #1 and #2, and every dodge in the book. Often accompanied by coy and leading questions, plus protestions of innocence and pleas of, "But I thought...!" that are in and of themselves insulting. "I thought feminists hated men and wanted to kill them and take over."
Sigh. 41. So I compared a woman to an inanimate object. What's your problem?
Sigh 42. You just hate me because I have a penis! I cannot believe I forgot that one.
43. Feminazi.
44. You're nuts.
You know, the most depressing thing about this list is that the trolls do seem to think that using these tactics is not trolling, and that you are the problem. They compare their trolling to your response to it---and it's equal to them.
45. Feminists are all alike and they demand that everybody think the same thing. Always said after some complicated critique.