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Utah Congressman Introducing Yet Another Federal Video Game Bill

Did you think a day might go by without news of another piece of video game legislation?

Not a chance.

The Deseret Morning News (Utah) reports that Representative Jim Matheson, a Democrat, plans to propose legislation in Congress which would make the sale of an M-rated or AO-rated to minors a federal offense. Matheson's bill, drafted but not yet submitted, is based on ESRB content ratings.

"The industry already has its own rating system. I'm just going to say you have to ID (the buyer) for any 'mature' or 'adult only' rated games."

The proposed legislation will also require that video games have the current rating prominently displayed on the box. (GP: isn't that the case already?)

In discussing the bill with the Morning News, Matheson expressed little confidence in the current retail system.

"You know darn well the 13-year-old is not being carded when he buys 'Grand Theft Auto 2.' You get points (in that game) for having sex with a prostitute; you get points for killing the prostitute." (GP: We're pretty sure he doesn't mean "GTA 2.")

How does Matheson plan to dodge the First Amendment bullet that has already doomed so many pieces of video game legislation?

"I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect." The Congressman told the paper that he believes basing the law on ESRB ratings avoids any government restriction of free speech.




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i didnt get into gta till gta 3 but
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-01-05 02:04 pm UTC (link)
There were hookers in gta 2?

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Re: i didnt get into gta till gta 3 but - [info]markusdragon, 2006-01-05 02:21 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-01-05 02:06 pm UTC (link)
I'm having mixed feelings about this. Matheson certainly sounds like he's willing to at least work with the ESRB rating system, but a lot of stuff he's proposing is already in effect, as mentioned above. And again with the getting points thing... Sure, you gain health when you have sex with a prostitute, but you lose money in the process, and killing anyone (including hookers) sends the cops on you.

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(no subject) - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 02:14 pm UTC
I wish...Just once...
[info]goodrobotus
2006-01-05 02:09 pm UTC (link)
That politicians would actually research and learn something before making definitive statements. They just keep showing malleable and easily led they are.

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[info]bigman_k
2006-01-05 02:13 pm UTC (link)
...""I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect.""...

Congressman Jim Matheson fails to realize that using a private rating system as law is a violation of Due Process. Of course he's from Utah so what should we expect.

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No, it's not a violation of due process only... - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 03:43 pm UTC
I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 03:53 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 03:59 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:13 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]gamepolitics, 2006-01-05 04:39 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:44 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]mrfalcon, 2006-01-05 11:24 pm UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-06 02:48 am UTC
Re: I can see why Jack failed his exam... - [info]the1jeffy, 2006-01-05 04:59 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 04:05 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 07:55 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - [info]pixelante_ninja, 2006-01-05 07:52 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 10:52 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - [info]automancer, 2006-01-05 11:19 pm UTC
Re: No, it's not a violation of due process only... - [info]pixelante_ninja, 2006-01-05 11:45 pm UTC
Avoiding unconstitutional language...
[info]dog_welder
2006-01-05 02:13 pm UTC (link)
From the article:

"'I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect' by not saying what can or can't be in a video game sold to a minor, he said."

But this is a contradiction. By saying a minor can't buy an M-rated game, you ARE saying what can and can't be sold to a minor. This is nothing more than semantics and is doomed to follow like the other bills.

It's just even more election year posturing and grandstanding.

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Re: Avoiding unconstitutional language... - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 02:17 pm UTC
Umm...
(Anonymous)
2006-01-05 02:15 pm UTC (link)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just more or less a copycat of what Hilary's putting forward?

Either way it's pretty sad that he can't even get the name of the game right. I wasn't expecting him to get details like "You don't get points for killing hookers." right, but I'd expected him to at least be able to call the game GTA 3, or GTA: San Andreas. You know, a game that actually had the content he's complaining about.

I also love how his response to the First Amendment concern is "I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect." when he's pretty much stepping into that "aspect" it by attempting censorship at all.

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Re: Umm... - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 02:18 pm UTC
Re: Umm... - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 02:26 pm UTC

[info]beardoggx
2006-01-05 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Matheson's bill is similiar to Hillary's, which already is considered unconstitutional, so he's nothing more than a bandwagon jumper.

Tell that moron Matheson and others of his ilk that saving Louisiana's receding coastline is considerably more important than his piece of shit bill.

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(no subject) - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 02:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]beardoggx, 2006-01-05 02:29 pm UTC
No No NO its bridges to nowhere!! - [info]tollwutig, 2006-01-05 02:56 pm UTC
Re: No No NO its bridges to nowhere!! - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:01 pm UTC
Re: No No NO its bridges to nowhere!! - [info]pixelante_ninja, 2006-01-05 07:54 pm UTC
Great...
[info]jquilty
2006-01-05 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Another misinformed dumbfuck. Really, what games besides sports games and the rare game like Meteos use points anymore?

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Re: Great... - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 02:25 pm UTC
Re: Great... - [info]cyn1c42, 2006-01-05 03:48 pm UTC
Re: Great... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 03:58 pm UTC
Re: Great... - [info]expert_gamer, 2006-01-06 01:28 am UTC
Re: Great... - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 03:46 pm UTC
Re: Great... - [info]ace_ofspade, 2006-01-05 03:58 pm UTC
Re: Great... - [info]norumu, 2006-01-05 05:33 pm UTC
too much stupidity
[info]hilaryduffgta
2006-01-05 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Im off to sleep now.this Guy Is a moron and his bill wil also fail.as for Him saying Unconstitutional Aspect i wonder if he would be saying that if someone tried to take away his first amendment rights

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Re: too much stupidity - [info]l0que, 2006-01-05 08:33 pm UTC
Time for a Career Change. Send this man home.
[info]verbinator
2006-01-05 02:32 pm UTC (link)
The Gentleman from Utah is up for re-election this year. Any surprise that yet another DEMOCRAT is jumping on the Fammily Values bandwagon in an election year?

Vote the Government-Class-Failin' Scoundrel out of office!!

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Re: Time for a Career Change. Send this man home. - [info]inabottle, 2006-01-05 04:38 pm UTC
Re: Time for a Career Change. Send this man home. - [info]dog_welder, 2006-01-05 06:24 pm UTC
Re: Time for a Career Change. Send this man home. - [info]beardoggx, 2006-01-06 01:07 am UTC
Re: Time for a Career Change. Send this man home. - (Anonymous), 2006-01-06 02:36 am UTC
Re: Time for a Career Change. Send this man home. - [info]beardoggx, 2006-01-06 03:14 am UTC

[info]sqlrob
2006-01-05 02:33 pm UTC (link)
basing the law on ESRB ratings avoids any government restriction of free speech.

Does this guy pay attention to anything? The equivalent for movies has already been ruled unconstitutional in several cases.

"it is well-established that the Motion Picture ratings may not be used as a standard for a determination of constitutional status" - Swopes v. Lubbers

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[info]beardoggx
2006-01-05 02:40 pm UTC (link)
"You know darn well the 13-year-old is not being carded when he buys 'Grand Theft Auto 2.' You get points (in that game) for having sex with a prostitute; you get points for killing the prostitute."

Actually, you don't.

I tried that once in GTA3 and once in GTA:VC after I had already gotten 100% completion. It neither added points to the criminal rating nor did I get the money back either time.

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[info]theogal
2006-01-05 02:47 pm UTC (link)
How does Matheson plan to dodge the First Amendment bullet that has already doomed so many pieces of video game legislation?

Easy, if he only goes after games like Grand Theft Auto 2...

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[info]chuma
2006-01-05 03:28 pm UTC (link)
The soundbyte (despite it's mistaken sequel number) seems reasonable - Using the existing rating system and making companies card anyone who wants to purchase M or AO games. However it is unconstitutional due to it being a private rating system and not a government owned one, and that 1st amendment that politicians find so troublesome. My concern is, yet again, it only covers games and not other media like films and books. Scapegoat time.

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(no subject) - [info]inabottle, 2006-01-05 04:41 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 05:04 pm UTC
Will These People Ever Learn.................?
[info]godofyouall
2006-01-05 03:31 pm UTC (link)
The courts have already made it clear that giving a private party governmental powers is unconstitutional and therefore they could not give the ESRB ratings the force of law.

Also this moron obviously doesn't do any research before talking about this subject. Killing Prostitutes in GTA 2 for extra points? -seriously WTF!

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Jack Thompson Here
(Anonymous)
2006-01-05 03:42 pm UTC (link)
This approach is clearly unconstitutional. For those of you who are so crazed that you think I can't be fair about these things, think again. I just spoke at length with Congressman Matheson's staff person, and told them that this bill is constitutionally dead on arrival. Good luck to them, but they won't need luck if they reconfigure the bill. Jack Thompson

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Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 03:52 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]ace_ofspade, 2006-01-05 03:56 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 04:03 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 04:10 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 04:13 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:16 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 04:17 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:20 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 06:58 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 03:56 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]raka, 2006-01-05 03:59 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:04 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 04:07 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 04:10 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]markusdragon, 2006-01-05 05:51 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]revengeofthezio, 2006-01-05 04:43 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]inabottle, 2006-01-05 04:45 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]illspirit, 2006-01-05 04:50 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 05:07 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 05:19 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 05:32 pm UTC
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Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 05:47 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 05:54 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 05:59 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]goodrobotus, 2006-01-05 06:35 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 07:12 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]godofyouall, 2006-01-05 11:21 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 06:18 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 06:18 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 06:39 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 07:11 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 07:14 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]pixelante_ninja, 2006-01-05 08:06 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]bigman_k, 2006-01-05 09:29 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-06 02:41 am UTC
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Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-05 05:09 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]chuma, 2006-01-05 05:18 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]l0que, 2006-01-05 08:35 pm UTC
Re: Jack Thompson Here - [info]hilaryduffgta, 2006-01-05 09:39 pm UTC
law_config.ini - [info]mrfalcon, 2006-01-05 11:42 pm UTC
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Re: Jack Thompson Here - (Anonymous), 2006-01-06 02:44 am UTC

[info]ace_ofspade
2006-01-05 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Making a game (rated M or AO) illegal to sell makes it worse than a current AO game. While the ESRB system is just a suggestion, selling these games is against the law. In effect, stores may not want to sell them. This goes for people wanting to ban "Hyper-mega-violent video games" too.

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(no subject) - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 04:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 06:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ryukisargi, 2006-01-05 05:13 pm UTC
Guys... - [info]ace_ofspade, 2006-01-05 07:12 pm UTC
Re: Guys... - [info]jabrwock, 2006-01-05 07:25 pm UTC
Best dodge of 2006!
[info]jabrwock
2006-01-05 03:56 pm UTC (link)
I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect.

Translation: I don't know how to deal, so I just ignore it, and hope it goes away...

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[info]catch_33
2006-01-05 04:48 pm UTC (link)
The industry already has its own rating system. I'm just going to say you have to ID (the buyer) for any 'mature' or 'adult only' rated games.

Why not do the same with CDs and movies?

You know darn well the 13-year-old is not being carded when he buys 'Grand Theft Auto 2.'

I rarely see a kid succeed in buying an M-rated game by themselves.

You get points (in that game) for having sex with a prostitute; you get points for killing the prostitute.

This is why the anti-gamers don't stand a chance. The politicians they support are fucking morons.

I stay away from that unconstitutional aspect.

I see...

Oh, and $20 says the only reason Jacky Boy isn't supporting this bill is because he doesn't like Matheson for some reason. If that post was indeed made by him. If not, forget it.

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[info]revengeofthezio
2006-01-05 04:48 pm UTC (link)
And the "Congressman that is out of touch" award goes to...Jim Matheson! Yes, for not only saying that you earn points for killing hookers in Grand Theft Auto, but using the game in the series that was released back in October 22, 1999. Apparently, while everyone was playing the 4th or 5th game after GTA2 (That is San Andreas and Liberty City Stories of course), Jimmy likes to harken back to the days of olde.

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[info]inabottle
2006-01-05 04:50 pm UTC (link)
1. Refers to Grand Theft Auto 3 as Grand Theft Auto 2.

2. Clearly does not understand GTA gameplay, but is perfectly willing to parrot Jack Thompson soundbites.

3. "just going to say you have to ID (the buyer) for any 'mature' or 'adult only' rated games." Well, thank god! No one had ever thought of THAT before! You are god's gift to legislation!

4. Matheson stays away from the unconstitutional aspect by basing his law on the unconstitutional Illinois bill.

Let's hear it for the uninformed representative from Utah!

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