Chris Willie Williams ([info]disclaimerwill) wrote,
@ 2004-03-04 18:46:00
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Unless you were a test-tube baby. Which you weren't.
I passed out for a couple minutes earlier. It's probably due to some combination of Benedryl, my newly increased Lexapro dosage, no food today, and the fact that Erica accidentally made me a White Chocolate Mocha with six shots of espresso (instead of my usual four) earlier. After lying on the couch for a bit, I drank some Cranapple juice and felt better once my blood sugar got... well, altered in whatever way juice alters it. Increases it, I assume. I don't know; I just remembered that trick from the last time I passed out, a few years ago. I was at the duplex that Jen and Anne shared, and was watching Conan O'Brien as Jen slept in the other room. Anne returned home from seeing Hannibal, and as she told me about it, I fell unconscious onto the couch for some reason, and when I came to, she handed me a glass of juice to fix things. That's a nice memory.

Why do people have kids? Ever? I'm serious. I started thinking about this while writing to Adrienne the other night, and it's been eating at me ever since. What logical reason is there to have kids? I can't think of a single one, and neither could Jon or anyone else we work with.

Before I get into this, though, I should make it clear that I'm not saying it's morally wrong or irresponsible to have kids. Some of my friends have kids, and I'm sure they thought things through beforehand, and they're great parents to boot. But I can't think of a justification for it. It seems like such a bizarrely unmotivated act, no matter how many people do it.

For example, I asked my mom why she'd had me, and she said, "Because your dad and I loved each other and thought it would enrich our lives."

ME: "Isn't that kind of selfish?"

MOM: "Yes. It is. But that's just... the way it is. We care about each other and we knew we'd do everything we ever could for you, and I've always known- as far back as I can remember- that I wanted to have kids. And I wouldn't have done it if I didn't think your dad would be a good father, or if we hadn't been able to afford it, but it just felt right. And you know, if I'd known that the world was going to go the way it's gone in the last 23 years, or if I'd known that you'd feel the way you feel about your life [i.e., hating every second of it], I would never have had you."

ME: "Well, I'm not mad or anything. At you, anyway. It's too late, and I'm here. No use being mad at you guys about that. But why would you want kids?"

MOM: "Just to have someone there to love, I guess... That's it."

ME: "That's illogical, though. Because you're making a person who's going to have to struggle through life and pain, and who's going to just die eventually. What's the point?"

MOM: [Long pause.] "Honey, just try not to think about it."

I can usually rely on my mom to have a good, thoughtful answer for things like this, so now I'm thoroughly baffled. At work, Anne L, who's a mother of two, said that she had kids just because she wanted them, but couldn't give an explanation as to why. Finally, she admitted that she hadn't really thought about it; that she just felt like she wanted to have one. Sandy (childless) said having children is an inherently selfish act, because people are usually trying to fill some void in their lives, or live vicariously through the kids or something. And Jon offered that most people are just taught that it's what you do in our society: you get married and you have kids, just because. That's the social convention. Which I'll grant, but why is it? I know we've all got a sex drive and a lot of people have an instinctual desire to have kids just because that's the way we, as humans, are wired, in order to keep the species alive. However, there are too many people in the world as it is, so why add to that, even if refraining is going against a basic drive? It's not a logical urge at this point.

Why else? I know some religious denominations teach that it's a married couple's duty to procreate because the Bible says, "Be fruitful and multiply" in a context that's frequently misinterpreted as a command. But even if you believe it's a commandment, that's flawed, because if you believe that God already knows what's going to happen in the world, and all things work according to His will, then if you choose not to have kids, you must not be meant to have kids, right? (And then we get into a discussion of free will vs. predeterminism that I don't wish to explore here.) So that's out.

Because you think it would be fun? Or (crimony) because you like kids? That's really short-sighted, because kids grow up. Doesn't matter how much other people's kids gravitate toward you, or how much you enjoy babysitting your neighbors' toddlers; the fact is, one day, you will no longer be responsible for an easily-monitored three-year-old. You will be responsible for a 42-year-old divorcee who drinks himself to sleep every night at his job as a graveyard shift security guard.

Basically, I'm not sure if anyone really thinks through the fact that when they have kids, they're not just putting together a little version of themselves; a computer simulation of what it might be like to morph you with your partner. They're creating a whole new human being, who is going to have problems, who is going to have pain, who is going to have to toil and suffer through life until he inevitably dies someday. I suppose if you're more optimistic about the world than I am, you could make an argument for "the gift of life." That is, if you truly love it on Earth, and think this is a great place full of nice people and fun and beauty, I could understand wanting to make someone new to share in that. At least your motives are generous there. The bottom line, though, is that it strikes me as being tremendously unfair to place the responsibility and burden of life upon a creature who had no say in the matter. You're forced to be born, and you're forced to trudge through this life until you die (which is really the only meaningful choice you can make around here: whether you want to cut out early or stick around until your number comes up for some other reason that's as out of your control as everything else).

I'm not sure how well I'm articulating this, but think about it. Again, there's nothing wrong with being a parent. I love my parents, and I feel very lucky to have them. And I know lots of people who either have great parents or who are great parents themselves. It's a nice support system to have. And the rationale behind having a kid becomes moot once the kid is here anyway. It doesn't matter whether the critter was a drunken accident or whether you just thought it would be cute to have a baby around the house or whether you thought it would lend your own life some meaning, or any of a million other reasons; there's now another life going on thanks to you. And the person you made might love it here, or might hate it, and which of those two results occurs might not even be in your control as a parent.

But why? Can someone give an answer that will satisfy me? Life has seemed mind-bogglingly pointless to me for awhile now, and I think I've finally traced it back to the fact that my very creation was to serve as a novelty to my parents instead out of any consideration for what I might have to go through. (Again, not that I resent them for it. Though I did ask my mom to pay me punitive damages for birthing me.) So maybe if I can figure out some justification for having kids, I'll have a foundation to build on as far as understanding and perhaps appreciating the purpose of the rest of my life. I've already made the decision that, as long as I'm here, I'd like to try to make other people's lives happier in any way I can, because we're all in the same boat and it gives me pleasure to be useful to others. However, that doesn't change my gnawing suspicion that it's all ultimately futile. Thoughts?

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I don't agree
[info]cosmicben
2004-03-04 04:45 pm UTC (link)
You mentioned the best reason in your essay. It was dismissed as a fallacy, but I think that's because you're seeing it through your worldview.

I think it makes perfect sense to want to have a kid if you enjoy life and want your kid to experience happiness. It could be that a life with one happy moment is worth living, no matter how many unhappy moments there are (I don't want to play down the concept of crippling depression, as I have never experienced it, but it is still possible that a happy moment can trump any others).

My life isn't perfect, but I enjoy it and I would happily inflict a similar life on a new person. I don't want to provide a schmaltzy laundry list of life's little pleasures but I'd feel kind of selfish saying that another person (born or unborn) is not allowed to experience the same things that have made me feel good.

You could also take your statement about making others happy a bit further. If you think there is a purpose in making others happy -- that it accomomplishes a little good, even in a worthless world -- then how can you argue against providing the world with one, two, three, or more do-gooders to take care of people in the future?

I think it comes down to an issue of worldview, not an issue of having children. If you don't think life is worth living, then we should all be dead. But if you do think life is worth living -- and I do, although it might just be a selfish obliviouslness to my own luck that makes me feel that way -- then life is worth living for everyone, whether or not they have been born yet.

As always, a well-written essay. I just disagree :).

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As always, the sober yin to my raging yang.
[info]disclaimerwill
2004-03-04 06:27 pm UTC (link)
No, no- raging yang, with a Y.

I can see your point- and again, I'd never say that no one should be having kids, especially someone like you, who would be a great parent. But I disagree with two things you said:

1. I'd feel kind of selfish saying that another person (born or unborn) is not allowed to experience the same things that have made me feel good.

If you don't have kids, you're not saying that someone else isn't allowed to experience good things, because there's no person there. It's not like you're depriving an actual kid of anything. (Though I failed to get this across to that girl I went to high school with, who claimed that you were killing billions of babies every time you masturbate.)

2. how can you argue against providing the world with one, two, three, or more do-gooders to take care of people in the future?

First off: more than three kids? One shoe-sized quaker parrot is more than I can handle, thankyouverymuch! But more importantly, how could I presume that my kids would choose to be do-gooders in the first place? That's the thing: it would be their lives to live, and although it'd be great if they could be self-satisfied philanthropists, they could also wind up murderous sociopaths.

And in both those instances, I think the problem is that people start thinking in terms of a "theoretical kid" who will be easily predictable and turn out exactly the way they plan. Whereas the reality is, kids live their own lives and experience the world in their own, non-predictable way. Does that make sense?

You're probably right, that it just comes down to an issue of worldview, and that's my own problem. And I'm not trying to cut you down or say you're wrong or trying to convince you not to have kids; I'm just trying to figure this all out. I'm hoping I can find a reason that makes sense to me, y'know? No offense, man. I do appreciate your thoughts!

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Re: As always, the sober yin to my raging yang.
[info]colereviews
2004-03-04 07:50 pm UTC (link)
geez, and the best reason I have against having kids is I hate them.

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Re: As always, the sober yin to my raging yang.
[info]oswaldtherabbit
2004-03-04 08:54 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I could live with myself if my kid turned out to be a dumbass. That's my number one fear about having children.

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pixiebella
2004-03-05 04:41 am UTC (link)
Even if it is "ultimately futile", to hate every single moment of your life is acting in what Sartre would call "bad faith". You don't like life? Lots of people don't like it. But we're all here, for some odd reason or another, and it's our job to make meaning out of that existence. You're born, you live a little while, you suffer, and then you die. That's how it goes. Human beings can't make much of a difference in the world, but they make a difference to each other - and that's what really matters. Solipsism doesn't make the realities of the world go away.

As for chillun' - The fundamentalist folks always breed at elevated rates. My future contribution to the birth rate is my small part in ensuring that at least 2-4 children will be brought up in a liberal, loving, vegetarian household, and then they can fight the descendents of Dubya & Co. when I am cremated and thrown into the ocean.

Babies are the life force, by the way. Everyone slows down to love up a baby. Babies are selfish, demanding, and enthralling - much like the Creator in the stories we've been told over the years. Babies rule, and they make you get outside your own head and small little situation and force you to evolve.

Life is beautiful. Every bit of it. The good, the bad, the Bush presidency. You've gotta take a moment to laugh at it all, because its just people doing what they do, in the best way they know how.



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lunadebella
2004-04-07 03:19 pm UTC (link)
two reasons i will never have kids:

1. i hate them.

2. the world is just so, so messed up today. a lot moreso than when we were kids. and it's getting more messed up every day that passes. why bring someone new into this?

that's my .32.

snazzy article (or essay, whatever you want to call it), though.

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