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Commentary on 'Bright with his Splendour', part four



And the Hosts of Heaven and Hell came out arrayed for war.

The third War in the story, although this one is averted.

Storm clouds massed on the very edges of the sky, framing the field of battle. The firmament of Heaven was silent and shining with the glint of light on weapons.

On Earth, War and Pollution and Famine rode, and Death rode with them.

Crowley really didn't want to be there. He was frightened and angry, but he had discovered something he believed in firmly, and it was very simple. He'd had enough. No one, not even him, deserved to be treated the way Hell acted towards everything. For a shining, brief moment he'd thought everything was going to be all right, when the pint-sized Antichrist refused to play. Then he realised no one got two infinite armies ready to fight and put them back in their boxes unused.

This is Crowley's third realisation that he's angry and unhappy with how Hell acts toward Creation. His realisation that the armies will fight no matter what is an echo of Lucifer's statement to that effect in the War in Heaven.


"They're going to do it," he said dully, cutting off the angel's excited opinion that everything would be all right, they wouldn't have to fight, they could all go home. It hadn't worked like that before, why should it be any different this time? Pity he'd never get to hear the story behind Aziraphale's cross-dressing, he thought.

This whole scene needs a familiarity with the corresponding scene and the Adam scenes in the book, it just doesn't stand by itself. The "cross-dressing" referred to is Aziraphale's possession of Madam Tracey.

The beautiful and more than slightly grubby centre of the world turned and looked hard at Crowley. He shook with fear, feeling stripped bare. He desperately wanted to find a rock to slither under, but didn't think there'd be any this kid couldn't turn over. He looked miserably back at the boy and knew he deserved whatever was coming to him. Sorry, he thought, I'm sorry I messed this up like everything else. I'm sorry you don't get to be a kid anymore. The boy's hard expression turned to deep pity and the setting sun flared behind his head giving the illusion of a deep gold halo. Squinting against the brightness in rather the manner that rabbits tended to squint when he had them lined up in the Bentley's headlights, Crowley froze in shock and recognition. He'd seen this person before. He heard wind rushing up past his head, he felt a desperate yearning and homesickness. For the first time in six thousand years he thought, without any conscious irony, Oh, dear God. The child grinned.

Crowley suddenly realises that Adam isn't the Anti-Christ at all. I think there are definite clues in the book that Adam is in fact not the Anti-Christ: to give two of them from this part of the book and then one from the start, when Azrael boasts that he's not like War, Pollution and Famine and therefore can't be killed, Adam says he thinks he can find a way - in the New Testament and in Christian theology, the person who can kill death is Christ. Second, after Adam saved the world, his father comes to take him home, just as Christ returns to the Father (being Adam, of course, he runs off). This is the third time he's seen Christ. Adam's name is another clue - while Sister Mary Loquacious is trying to have it as a reference to the old Adam who, along with eve, lets sin loose, Adam is in fact "Adam Young" - he is a new Adam, and the New Adam in Paul's letters is, again, Christ.

Crowley here expresses repentance for everything he's done, and is capable of showing pity for someone else he thinks has been badly done by. The reference to the rabbits in the headlights is actually a clue that Crowley is about to be spared rather than squashed - although he continually tries to run over small animals in GO he doesn't hit a single one.

This is the third time he has seen Christ: once in pre-existent glory in Heaven, one as a dying human at the Crucifixion and now at what he suddenly realises is the - or perhaps a - Second Coming. Adam, being a kid, finds Crowley's shock pretty funny. While in the previous non-meetings Crowley has been moving away, or trying to move toward Christ, here he is confronted with him, and his response is repent and show by his subsequent actions that he has changed.


The wind started to rise and the clouds rushed in, lightning running along their undersides like a huge and futuristic weapon charging up. Heaven wasn't going to be caught out again, he thought with a small and dazed part of his mind. With the larger and more frightened part of his mind he thought, It's the wrong kid. Bloody Aziraphale, that sneaky, cheating bastard -- He turned in indignation to the unlikely body the angel was using.

Heaven has been developing weapons of Really Mass Destruction (current Heavenly thinking favours guns, as Aziraphale says), although luckily for the Earth, they won't be used.

"It's the wrong bloody kid!" he hissed agitatedly.

"Pardon?" Aziraphale said.

"You shush," the boy said sternly.

Crowley shut his mouth quickly and the boy smiled, putting a dirty finger up to his lips.

"Why're you lookin' at me like that?" the boy said. "Thought you were lookin' for me, before. Thought you'd be pleased to catch up with me."

He looked over at Aziraphale's new appearance and shook his head. The angel was suddenly sitting on the ground beside the rather startled lady, looking down at himself in surprise. The boy began to turn towards his friends, then winked back at Crowley.

"All that baby switchin'," he said. "Must've got complicated. Don't you look so scared - I know all about you."

When exactly was Adam substituted for the Anti-Christ? Er. I'm not so sure, really. When Adam says he knows all about Crowley, he means it - from the mistake about getting caught up in the War onward. Crowley's gradual humanisation and disgust with how Hell has treated him and other people, and his acceptance of the Arrangement led to the perfect setting for the "Anti-Christ" to be left all alone by both sides while the agents of Heaven and Hell messed round in the life of the wrong boy. It's almost as if there were a deeper plan neither side was aware of . . .


Crowley didn't find that terribly comforting, but he was too busy over the next several minutes to think about it. He was even too busy to be more than terrified. Frightened out of his wits, yes, convinced he was going to die horribly, certainly. But not incapacitated with fear. The thing that went through his mind as he looked at Aziraphale ask awkward questions that sent the angelic and demonic generals scurrying off to look for answers; the thought that occurred as he watched Aziraphale pick up the sword, as his soft, perfectly manicured hand closed round its hilt like he was a - well, a member of the Heavenly Hosts - was that at least he had picked a better class of friend to hang round with this time. Not that he was going to say that to Aziraphale, of course. No point in letting the bastard die smug.

It was on the drive back to London in the stolen Jeep that the depression really began to set in. It had all been so anti-climactic, he thought. Get a fellow prepared to fight the good fight, get him ready to bloody well lay down his life for his friends and you should at least let him have a chance to throw one punch. The kid had gone off without even a backward glance, and Crowley was deeper in the shit than before. Now there'd be Hell to pay. He was in for an infinity of suffering, and his one chance of redemption had cycled off into the sunset.

Crowley is very depressed after the aborted War in the book, and has the feeling that his whole life has been for nothing.


"Why don't you come to my place?" he said to the gloomy angel. "At least I still have a flat."

"No, no," Aziraphale said heavily. "I wouldn't want to impose. I -- I think I'll just walk for a while."

Crowley pulled over to let him out.

"Come later, if you want," he said, casual and laid back.

He drove off. Blessed angel. What was the use of being an angel if you couldn't at least hang round to try and cheer a fellow up? He heard shouts behind him and screeched to a halt.

"Crowley! Crowley!" Aziraphale yelled, running up, breathing hard.

"What?" Crowley said, looking at the unlikely sight of the angel hanging on to the Jeep's door and struggling to catch his breath. "Are you trying to give yourself a heart attack?"

"Crowley -- Are, are you going to be all right?" Aziraphale said, putting a hand on his wrist. "I'll come with you after all, shall I? I don't want you to -- that is, I --oh, please tell me you'll be all right, Crowley."

Aziraphale says Crowley's name three times (don't try that with Hastur's name, kiddies . . .) - he is afraid Crowley is going to hurt or kill himself.

Crowley looked at him, taking in the shaken expression and how pale he was as his breathing returned to normal. Ah. He tried for a sardonic chuckle, but Aziraphale didn't seem too convinced.

"I'll be fine. Stop being melodramatic. I'll see you tomorrow, all right?"

"Promise. Promise me, Crowley."

Crowley looked at the scared face and didn't roll his eyes.

"I promise," he said quietly.

Aziraphale nodded, gave a little squeeze of his hand and stepped back. Crowley drove home and drank almost enough whisky to kill himself. Not quite enough, though. He was a demon of his word after all.

He woke face down on the settee with a terrible ringing in his ears. After a long moment he identified it as the phone and staggered up to answer it.

"Crowley! This is the third time I've rung you! You weren't answering!"

Oh look, another "three".

"Sorry," Crowley muttered and decided to stagger round the sitting room, seeing as standing still didn't seem to be working for him. He ended up by the window, and rested his head on the cool glass. The angel sounded awfully excited and happy, but it was hard to work out what he was saying.

"Crowley? Are you listening, Crowley? Oh, Crowley, you won't believe what's happened!"

And another.

Crowley's gaze began to focus on what was parked outside the building. As he took in the gleaming black paint-work, the shining metal and the spotless leather he felt his breathing shorten, and all the alcohol leave his body in a rush.

"Try me," he said.

This is the only time the Bentley actually physically shows up in the story, and no reference is made to it having been previously destroyed.

* * *

On the third day, Crowley woke early. He remembered very little of the previous day, although he was fairly sure he'd ended up in the Ritz with the angel. He must have been sensible and sobered up before bed, he thought. He hadn't the slightest trace of a hangover.

This third day is Crowley's real resurrection, when he is given a new and better life. I'm cheating here a bit, if you actually add up the days in the book. The Almost-War takes place on Friday, the 'first day of the rest of their lives' is the Saturday - here, however, this is the next day, Sunday. This is exactly the "Three days" of Easter - Good Friday for the Crucifixion, Saturday for the despair and thinking that it's the end of everything, and the New Life starting on Easter Sunday.

Edited to add: As one fo the comments points out, I've made a mistake here - the book really does finish on a Sunday. However, Armageddon attempts to happen on the day before, Saturday, giving only a two day period. What happens in 'BWHS' is that the War is moved back to Friday, the Saturday becomes the day Crowley and Aziraphale forget, and then the Sunday remains as the day of his new life.


Light was filtering in through the curtains, and the birds were singing. Normally this was a cue for him to pull a pillow over his head and sink back into dreams, but today he was feeling wide awake and cheerful. He bounced out of bed and across the floor, pulling the curtains open. Sunlight washed over him and he opened the window, feeling a sudden desire for fresh air. Everything was quiet, much quieter than he expected. Must be really early, he thought, leaning out of the window so that he could peer down at the trees in the park. It was shaping up to be a very pleasant day with the slightest of cool breezes.

This is the third (and vaguest) reference to a tree- and animal-filled garden/park. Crowley was very happy in Eden, and the memory of it sustained him in the trenches. Here he is, to some extent, put back in that situation. The world has been made anew, Creation is quiet except for natural sounds, and there is just one man (-shaped being) in this setting. Crowley is alone, but not lonely.

Coming up from the park he could see a solitary figure strolling along, and heard snatches of opera sung quietly. He grinned cheerfully. It looked like Aziraphale had been getting some duck feeding in before the rush started. If you were going to stay up all night you'd have plenty of time for things like that. He resolved to tease Aziraphale about actually walking somewhere for once, instead of begging for lifts.

And then Crowley's not alone anymore - there is someone else in this new day who is rather like him. And as befits the only other inhabitant of the Garden, Aziraphale has been off chatting to animals - although he's been talking to ducks rather than to a serpent. Just as the humans in the Garden were unaware of the presence of angels, so Crowley and Aziraphale here are unaware of an entire city-full of humans. They've both moved from being innocent in the first "Garden" scene to having rather definitively lost their innocence by the time of the second (with Crowley in the trenches and Aziraphale's gift of the apple) to being new and whole once more in the remade world.

"Oi, Pavarotti!" he called, laughing.

Aziraphale stopped under his window, beaming up at him with an absurdly sunny smile. Grinning down at the angel, Crowley let a wave of good humoured fellow feeling wash over him. It felt great.

And with that, Crowley is home . . .

It felt like the first day of the rest of his life.

. . . forever.



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[info]permetaform
2004-01-31 06:01 pm UTC (link)
::LOVES your brain::

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 02:45 am UTC (link)
Thank you!

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[info]bluepard
2004-01-31 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea how you know/incorporate this much stuff. There's plenty original fiction that isn't this well thought out, you do realize this?

It's very nice to see the commentary. Also: Naked angel count. Yee.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 02:47 am UTC (link)
Thank you very much! What a lovely thing to say!

(Naked angels, indeed. A whole infinitude of naked angels.)

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[info]bluepard
2004-02-01 12:27 pm UTC (link)
Theoretic discussions are more interesting when it's, for example, how many naked angels can dance on the head of a pin?

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[info]kbk
2004-01-31 08:12 pm UTC (link)
Crowley, on the other hand, still hasn't forgiven St Patrick and is sulky on the whole topic of Ireland. - I love that. It just... yeah.

Um. Oh, I don't know what to say, other than that I adore your writing and think you're amazing and gladly reread all the connected fic. so. yeah.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 02:49 am UTC (link)
Thank you! I'm very flattered :-)

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[info]shati
2004-01-31 08:49 pm UTC (link)
. . . And now I'm amazed all over again. Gah.

Also I'm curious about the Anti-Christ vs. Christ thing. I didn't think that the book was implying that Adam wasn't the Anti-Christ, exactly, more that he could . . . er . . . opt out of the Anti part? And the parallels make sense in light of the whole 'they're just names for sides' thing. Or something. Not articulate enough right now.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 04:58 am UTC (link)
Thanks!

I've lent my copy of GO, so, as far as I can remember, Adam in the Dramatis Personae is never actually called The Anti-Christ - he's called "An Antichrist", which may be an important difference. Crowley certainly thinks Adam has chosen humanity instead of being a fallen angel, but I think there are some clues that Crowley is mistaken. Adam - although he may not be aware of the fact himself - is described in terms that are far more Christ-like than as either someone choosing to be human or a demon. There are the things like him thinking he can make Death die, and being the Young/New Adam; going home to/with his father (only he runs off!); the fact that he sacrifices himself - his supernatural self, at least - to save the world; him showing compassion and forgiveness to a very great sinner (Crowley) just before he renounces power (like Christ on the cross showing compassion to the thief/bandit); and of course, the fact that every single character who comes into contact with him and responds positively ends up with a new and better life.

I think Gaiman and Pratchett were being quite sneaky there - they list God in the Dramatis Personae, after all, and yet God never appears explicitly on the page. (I think it's possible to see where God appears, all right, but there's never a big personal appearance). I think they've pulled a similar fast one with Adam's identity.

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[info]shati
2004-02-01 02:49 pm UTC (link)
Crowley certainly thinks Adam has chosen humanity instead of being a fallen angel, but I think there are some clues that Crowley is mistaken.

Eek! Then my entire interpretation of GO crumbles. (If I ever had a coherent interpretation.)

Adam - although he may not be aware of the fact himself - is described in terms that are far more Christ-like than as either someone choosing to be human or a demon.

First off, the parallels are interesting, and I wouldn't have noticed them. :) Though the sacrifice one I find a little weak -- at the very least it didn't seem presented in terms of a martyring sacrifice, but rather an inner struggle Adam won. (And while they're not mutually exlusive, I didn't read it at all in terms of a sacrifice. Though there is a sound of loss afterward, isn't there?)

I think they've pulled a similar fast one with Adam's identity.

Hmm. It is an interesting theory, but I still have trouble with it. That's quite possibly because it just goes against the philosophy I read into GO, and not because it conflicts with canon -- you definitely know more about the book itself and its religious context.

Well, that and I'm confused. Do you mean Adam wasn't the baby brought up from Hell, or do you mean that the baby from Hell was somehow interfered with? Because I can see reading Adam as a Christ-figure and an Anti-Christ figure (again, as an extension of "they're just names for sides" or something), or as someone who stops being an Anti-Christ, but that's not what you're saying, is it?

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Do you mean Adam wasn't the baby brought up from Hell, or do you mean that the baby from Hell was somehow interfered with? Because I can see reading Adam as a Christ-figure and an Anti-Christ figure (again, as an extension of "they're just names for sides" or something), or as someone who stops being an Anti-Christ, but that's not what you're saying, is it?

In 'Bright with his Splendour', Adam is very definitely Christ, either substituted for the fallen angel sent up from Hell or there never was a 'fallen angel' to be sent up, and Hell has been tricked on a massive scale. But that's an extrapolation on what I see as being done in Good Omens - in GO, Adam is an Anti-Christ, and one that is described over and over in Christlike (and angelic) imagery. He's also someone who is shown, time and again, as someone who is both good and who has a deep sense of justice - a child's justice, but justice nonetheless - tempered with compassion. His moral sense is formed by his human upbringing, of course, but he is still a supernatural being (although it's possible he may forget that at the end). He does indeed stop being an Antichrist, but the way he stops is reminiscent of someone who wasn't an antiChrist at all. I think he's meant to be a deeply ambiguous figure, and that the Christ imagery and references are very deliberate.

I think his choice is a sacrifice, although it doesn't result in his death - in the gospels, Jesus is taunted to reveal his power, prove he is who he never says he is, reference is made to him leading armies of angels - and he turns away from all that, even though doing so will kill him. Adam faces the same things, especially the lure of leading an angelic army, and turns away as well - it's not a complete parallel, of course, he isn't going to lose his life.

So what I'm saying ;-) is that in GO Adam seems to have an awful lot of attributes that belong to Christ in the New Testament and later Christian theology, which throws his identity as an anti-christ into question at least. In this fic, he is more straightforwardly Christ.

He chooses humanity over the demands of Hell (but then in the New Testament Jesus chooses humanity over what everyone tells him are the demands of Heaven . . .).

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[info]falltotry
2004-02-01 11:14 pm UTC (link)
This is a really interesting theory. I'll admit I wasn't on board with it at first, but the more I consider it (oh dear, you've got me thinking about things. This never ends well...) the more sense it makes. Taking it a step further, which might be a step too far and end up completely unraveling the whole thing but we'll see, it might be safe to say that in fact there is no Antichrist and this is where everyone gets it wrong. The basis for this idea is tenuous at best, but it is there; of course the aforementioned statements on the nature of Good vs. Evil/just being names for different sides etc. There is also Aziraphale's insistance that Hell can't do anything "without it being part of the ineffable divine plan" and his and Crowley's repetition of this at the end to the Metatron (at which point they're pretty much talking out their asses trying to buy some time, but who says they're not onto something anyway?), and Crowley's pitch during the Drunken Conversation of Doom™ that Adam is merely potentially evil. He says something like "Don't tell me from genetics. What've they got to do with it? Look at Satan. Created as an angel, grows up to be the Great Adversary..." This is possibly the subltest hint supporting this whole cockamayme "no antichrist" theory, because in context it assumes an Antichrist, and is therefore arguing something else completely. But it can also be taken to mean that Satan, along with everything else, was created by God, thus the supposed Antichrist is also technically of God, just with a sort of infernal middleman :)

Of course, the respective hosts of Heaven and Hell have no conception of this, because God's obviously not saying anything and Adam is probably in the same boat for the most part. I think he really figures it out when we're supposed to assume he realises he is the Antichrist. When he freaks out and starts screaming, they describe it as a sound that "spoke of loss", and then after he stops, it says "Whatever had been standing in the old quarry before, Adam Young was standing there now. A more knowledgeable Adam Young, but Adam Young nevertheless. Possibly more of Adam Young than there had ever been before." Whoa, okay. If this is the moment he's finding out he's actually Evil incarnate (but doesn't particularly want to be, and is thinking maybe he can put a stop to the whole thing), it doesn't feel right. This feels more like he's learning that he's not exactly what he thought (e.g. he sort of had an inlking before, but nothing solidified in his mind), like 6000+ years of memories being triggered suddenly and an eleven-year-old boy-who-is-not an eleven-year-old boy realising/remembering that sacrifice is necessary to save humanity. Of course he does this willingly, but that doesn't mean it's a dance around the Maypole.

Crowley and Azriaphale haven't figured this out yet, but of everyone, they've probably got the best chance of getting it right eventually because while they are mainly concerned with their own agendas, the whole thing is pretty much running together for them. Whether it will ever get to the point where it's enough for them to see the Big Picture is debatable.

Whew! That was...long. And with no actual comments on the fic/commentary. That, I'll do when it's not one in the morning...

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-02 09:28 am UTC (link)
Those are good points - certainly angelic/demonic "genetics" are called into question. As is the concept of free will, which neither Aziraphale nor Crowley should apparently have, but which has "rubbed off" on them due to association with humans - not that I think they're actually correct that that's where their free will has come from: if there was no free will in Heaven, how could the War have happened? How could there have been the "wrong sort" of person for Crowley to hang round with? Angels seem to have a lot more potential than either side admits, as you point out. (And Aziraphale actually thinks at one point exactly what you say about being "of God" when he's thinking about Crowley - that Crowley is one of God's creatures. Given that we're told Aziraphale is intelligent, and we're shown him making connections about things that turn out to be right, I'd say we can trust him on that - he may be operating out of emotion, Crowley being his friend, but it's based on his reasoning.


I like your interpretation of Adam in the quarry - if he is discovering that he's Evil Incarnate that's a huge amount of self-control and goodness making him turn away from it - and where does he get the goodness if he really is Evil? The "Incarnate" part of the equation is what both trips him up and gives him strength (again, like Jesus in the gospels), and its what enables him to turn away from the expected course of action. Again, this is very, very similar to Jesus who turns away from what a Messiah "should" be, and who refuses to hand out proof of who he is.

I think Crowley at least is very close to working everything out (whatever "everything" actually is), and that he's stopped by the forgetting that both he and Aziraphale undergo right at the end of the book. I do think that was a mercy for them, as they were both teetering on an emotional edge. While Crowley is a bit depressed after forgetting, it's certainly implied that they both cheer up during lunch, and that there is a whole new existence out there for them, even if they aren't yet aware of it (signalled by the nightingale singing in Berkeley Square).

Thanks for these great comments!

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[info]blackxlupin
2008-01-21 06:02 am UTC (link)
Hang on - I thought the nightingale singing was supposed to be a reference to the song, clarifying that Crowley and Azirpahale get together - did I totally misread that bit?

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[info]daegaer
2008-01-21 08:27 am UTC (link)
It's a reference to the song, of course, but in the story there actually is a nightingale singing in Berkeley Square (something rather unlikely, given the general habitat of the bird! The unlikeliness of the image is also part of the point of the line in the song). I think it's plausible to read it as a sign of a new beginning and a slight pointer to the Edenic qualities Earth (and perhaps particularly London) has for Crowley and Aziraphale.

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[info]lcsbanana
2004-01-31 11:38 pm UTC (link)
I love, love your WW1 stories. You just--somehow putting Crowley in it brings all the humanity into sharp relief. Paradoxically enough.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 02:50 am UTC (link)
Thank you! Poor Crowley, put in a War that he thinks is almost worse than Hell.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 02:52 am UTC (link)
Hee! Thanks!

It's really good for me to sit down and think about a story after the fact, to see what worked and what didn't, which is what these commentaries can do. I'm glad you enjoyed this one.

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[info]saunteringdown
2004-02-01 09:35 am UTC (link)
Just a quick note to say that I loved this story...but with the commentary? Wow. I really can't express the amount of admiration and awe I have for your thought processes.

So, the point? Brilliant. I'll write you an appropriate and long babbly fanmail after I'm done studying for my organic chem test.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 11:14 am UTC (link)
Thank you! I'm pleased you think the commentary adds to the story!

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[info]toscas_kiss
2004-02-01 09:53 am UTC (link)
Wonderful - it's absolutely fascinating to see your thought processes and the research/background behind the story. I think we should force you to do it for all your stories now! [evil grin]

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 11:16 am UTC (link)
Thank you! (There actually were thought processes behind this one - sometimes there aren't, so much ;-)

I think we should force you to do it for all your stories now! [evil grin]

Eep!

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[info]yiskah
2004-02-01 10:34 am UTC (link)
Thank you so much for doing this! It has been great to read.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 11:17 am UTC (link)
I'm glad you enjoyed it!

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[info]louiselux
2004-02-01 11:44 am UTC (link)
Mmmm, *wibble*. What a fabulous story. All those threes- I swear I'd never have seen them if you hadn't have pointed them out-probably something to do with my fear of numbers. But I spotted another one! The word 'promise' is used there at the end three times.

I do think that the structure works- the repetition of things by three was probably pitched at just the right level, not enough to be really noticeable, but enough to give the story a strong underlying structure.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-01 12:24 pm UTC (link)
Thanks!

while I was writing the commentary I kept thinking "bloody threes" :-) But yes, "promise" is another set.

I think this has to be the one of the happiest endings of any of my stories - a nice, new, modern Eden for Aziraphale and Crowley with cars and music and gourmet coffee. Of course, they don't know that, so they happily continue as usual, but I don't think Crowley belongs to Hell any more.

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[info]gehayi
2004-02-02 03:20 am UTC (link)
I wonder if it would ever be brought to Hell's attention that they were minus one demon. Or to Heaven's that they had regained an angel.

And yes, I can definitely see young Adam Young as being a Christ figure. Everything he does in GO supports that--his sense of justice, his desire to make Anathema feel better, his fascination with the world, his constant desire to learn new things, and his gentleness toward Aziraphale and Crowley.

Also, of course, there is the reaction of the Metatron and Beelzebub. They can cajole, plead, persuade...but they cannot force Adam to do anything he does not wish to do. Whatever he does has to be by his own choice. I also notice that Adam is tempted in GO three times--once by the Metatron to do his duty, once by Beelzebub to rule the world and once by both of them to follow the Great Plan. And, in each case, Adam refuses. Which seems to me to echo the Temptation of Christ in the Desert.

I love Bright With His Splendour. It's true to the characters, honest, majestic (there's a word you don't hear much these days, but it's true), vivid and believable within the framework of canon. I'd say it's just about perfect.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-02 05:12 am UTC (link)
I wonder if it would ever be brought to Hell's attention that they were minus one demon. Or to Heaven's that they had regained an angel.

The ending of the book is ambiguous about what is actually remembered by everyone - Adam says something to the effect that it would be better if everyone forgot - or not exactly forgot, but it wouldn't be as important to them. And so we get scenes of Newt and Anathema/Shadwell and Madam Tracey carrying on with their lives as if things are more or less back to normal - it's implied that they sort of remember, but it's no longer important (Anathema knows she has survived past the end of the first book of prophecy, Shadwell has had a conversion from witchhunting). Aziraphale and Crowley, however, remember perfectly - they know what has happened, they have a theory that both sides are biding their time and pretending nothing happened, they can tell what's the same and what's different. They only forget when they meet Azrael feeding ducks while they are arguing over the correct word to describe the whole course of events. It's when Azrael suggests the word "ineffable" that they suddenly forget - they don't even manage to comment on seeing the Angel of Death flying over London. I think that's one of the passages where God is revealed, and that it implies that both Heaven and Hell have actually forgotten as well, not just theire representatives on earth. It's a merciful forgetting, as otherwise both Aziraphale and Crowley (especially Crowley) would be waiting for the sword to fall.

So it's rather an ambiguous redemption for Crowley as well - he has been redeemed, I think; his break-down in the burning shop, his repentence over his actions, and the fact that he acts differently thereafter all very strongly suggest that. But he doesn't want to go back to Heaven, no more than Aziraphale does, he doesn't fit in Hell, the only place for him is Earth. By forgetting Armageddon, however, Crowley must be back to thinking of himself as Hell's representative, with a job to do, and has gone back to living as if he had not been redeemed. I wonder if his reports are falling into a black hole - has Hell forgotten he existed? Maybe having chosen right once, Crowley will do it again at the next Armageddon - maybe he already has, and there have been a series of attempts. The ending is too ambiguous to say, really.

I agree that Adam's temptation is very much like the Temptation of Christ, as well!

I'm so glad you like 'Bright With His Splendour', and I'm especially glad you think it's true to the characters - I really tried to have it be faithful to not only GO, but also GO,/i>'s base texts, and to produce a version of Crowley who would be recognisable even as he changed.

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[info]seren_himitsu
2004-02-02 01:16 pm UTC (link)
See, this is one of those stories that I purposely don't read over and over, because I honestly think that it would turn me into a wibbling mess if I read it more than, like, twice in one day. And the commentary! Thank you so, so much. You gain a whole new appreciation for the story (particularly the small details, like the Naked Angel Count *sniggers*) when you get to see it from the author's perspective, so to speak.

You so lined up again for a second serving when the Big Guy was handing out brains, weren't you? *squints accusingly*

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-02 02:03 pm UTC (link)
Thanks! I'm glad you like the story and the commentary, naked angels and all! (While it was being written I kept asking Louise "Do they seem any more naked now?" and she kept saying "No! Make 'em more naked!" Ah well. They're nekkid. All of them.)

And dude, if you saw the nose most of my family got landed with, we're all owed an extra something. (Possibly that sentence should not be allowed to be in close proximity to mentions of nekkidness . . . :-)

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[info]biascut
2004-02-03 11:55 am UTC (link)
Oh, you make me feel bad! For knowing so little about Milton when I'm an English graduate, and for knowing so little about the Bible when I'm a regular communicant!

The fic's wonderful on its own, but having all the insights into your research and your structuring and everything is just brilliant. Loved Crowley being sulky about Ireland, loved Aziraphale being rather camp. Lovely!

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-03 12:37 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

But don't feel bad, that was the first time I'd read Milton in years! (And I'm not convinced that reading through going "nyuk nyuk nyuk, he just asked how angels have sex" counts as serious research :-)

I'm really glad you liked the commentary!

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[info]afrai
2004-02-04 02:34 am UTC (link)
And with that, Crowley is home . . .

It felt like the first day of the rest of his life.

. . . forever.


D'you know, I hadn't thought it'd be possible to make the ending even squishier. And yet you did!

*goes all squishy* Awwwww.

The Almost-War takes place on Friday, the 'first day of the rest of their lives' is the Saturday

It wasn't a Sunday? Dammit. I was so sure it was a Sunday. I have to reread GO.

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[info]daegaer
2004-02-04 03:04 am UTC (link)
*squish* Thank you!

Redeemed!Crowley still drives too fast and gets drunk a lot, though.

And I had been sure it was a Sunday in the book, too. I was really surprised that it was Saturday.

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(Anonymous)
2004-03-15 09:02 pm UTC (link)
But . . . it *is* a Sunday. I've got the book right in front of me. 'Sunday (The first day of the rest of their lives.)' it says.

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[info]daegaer
2004-03-15 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Ha! Yes, I know, this was what came of not checking thing before doing this post. The missing third day is at the other end - in the book Armageddon is scheduled for Saturday, so what I did was shift things back to get a three day period.

I knew this while writing the story, but clearly had forgotten what I'd done by this point!

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[info]daegaer
2004-03-15 10:44 pm UTC (link)
I've edited the entry to reflect this, thanks :-)

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