Catherine Hay ([info]harmanhay) wrote in [info]corsetmakers,
@ 2004-05-18 09:05:00
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Pink and purple bride - making the bodice pattern


After measuring the client, I took the Victorian corset pattern in my book



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and photocopied it up to life size (conveniently, it has a scale in the bottom right hand corner of the diagram so I could work out that 1/4" represented 1". So it just needed enlarging x4.) This involved enlarging bits of it on separate pieces of paper and then sticking them together to make a big pattern.



I scaled it up to the client's measurements like this:

1 - I drew lines across at the obvious bust, waist and hip levels of the pattern. (Actually I'd already done this in the book, as you can see above.)
2 - I measured the length of the bust line where it passed through each piece, and added these together to get half the bust measurement of the pattern. (you can only see half the corset on the diagram, from center front to center back.) Multiply by two, and add 2" for the gap at the back of the corset when it's laced, and you find out that this 1880's pattern was for a woman of 34" bust.
3 - Repeat for waist (24.5") and hips (28.25").
4 - (beginners can ignore this) I actually did the front half and back half of the bust separately, knowing that the back size of the 1880's woman was not necessarily proportional to my client's. I didn't bother for waist and hips, though.
5 - I noted that the vertical distance between bust and waist lines is slightly less on my client than on the pattern, so I drew a new bust line below the first that would be the new bust line for the client.
6 - I divided client's bust measurement by the pattern's bust and got 1.4, meaning that the client has a bust size 1.4 times the pattern size. Repeated for waist (1.9 x pattern) and hip (2 x pattern).
7 - I placed a piece of tracing paper over one section of the pattern, and traced the 1880's pattern piece, the (new) bust line, and waist and hip lines.
8 - I measured the (old) bust line through that section of the pattern again, and multiplied it by 1.4. I made marks on the tracing paper either side of the piece along the (new) bust line indicating the new width of the piece at the bust.
9 - Repeated for waist and hip, multiplying those measurements by 1.9 and 2 respectively.
10 - I repeated steps 7, 8 and 9 with a new piece of tracing paper for each piece of the pattern. (Keeping the CF and CB lines straight though, by expanding the CF piece in one direction only, and the center back piece by one inch at center back and the rest the other side (because I want the edges to meet at the back, with no gap.))
11 - I made a reasonable effort to draw smooth curves forming the new edges at the sides of each piece. Also made a reasonable attempt to make the edges that would fit together symmetrical to each other, by adding and taking away a bit here and there (where I added a bit, I took it away from the piece next to it.)
12 - Also marked, from client measurements, the height above the waist that top and bottom of the bodice should reach. (I asked her to point to the lowest point of the neckline she wanted at the front, then the same for the bottom edge all around).

Then I needed to give it a shoulder strap, like this 1660's pattern I've used before:




13 - I extended the center back piece upwards as far as the 1660's pattern. Conveniently, the width of the center back piece on my pattern was proportional to the width there on the 1660's pattern at the point where I had to begin extending upwards. This at least implies that all this buggering about might just work. Phew.
14 - I copied the extended part of the CB piece in proportion to the 1660's pattern, and extended upwards in the same way at the side front and front.
15 - Incidentally, I intend not to have two seams around that shoulder strap as the 1660's pattern suggests, but to have one in the middle so that I can insert some elastic between them and the client can raise her arms. So I added half that separate shoulder piece to each portion of the strap on the side front and center back pieces.

Here's the result, with which I'm moderately confident, although in desperate need of doing a mock-up - the dotted lines are the original 1880's pattern, the solid line is the new pattern. The dotted lines go off the bottom of the paper because the new pattern does not extend far below the waist, but goes up higher to the shoulder instead. I shall make a mock-up, and pray that the client doesn't laugh at me if I've messed it up.





(All my junk is on top of the edges of the pattern because the tracing paper comes off a roll and needs to be held flat so that it doesn't roll up again.) Did that make any sense at all?

EDIT, Sept 07: Photos of the finished gown are here.




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[info]ruisenora
2004-05-18 07:38 am UTC (link)
Gorgeous! Thank you so much. This should definitely be in the community memories.

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[info]britgeekgrrl
2004-05-18 08:23 am UTC (link)
No sooner said than done. :)

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[info]ruisenora
2004-05-18 08:25 am UTC (link)
Awesome. :-D

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[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 09:16 am UTC (link)
Wow, I'm very flattered. I'm just making it up as I go along here.

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[info]britgeekgrrl
2004-05-18 09:18 am UTC (link)
Scaling patterns up always baffles me. If it baffles me, it'll baffle someone else - and the memories have already proven a useful resource for many visitors. :)

Me, I'm just amazed at how quickly the community has grown - 200+ members in less than 3 months, and lots of useful and interesting activity. :)

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[info]elegantelbow
2004-05-18 08:54 am UTC (link)
Excellent! I look forward to seeing more as the project continues. Are you familiar with [info]dress_diaries. When you're done, you might want to post there.

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[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 09:15 am UTC (link)
Aha, I may just do that. Thanks.

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Quite impressive!
[info]blackrayne
2004-05-18 09:30 am UTC (link)
I have always been afraid to attempt to recreate the patterns in Waisted Efforts (I vaguely remember you mentioning that is where these patterns came from...if I am wrong about the source, don't hurt me! ;) )...but seeing how you did it, I may one day try it to see how it works. I have a wedding dress to work on for someone as well soon, and the bodice is also going to be corseted...it is far from the regular style of work I do, so it should be quite interesting.

I can't wait to see the finished piece you are doing, though!

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 01:14 pm UTC (link)
Thanks very much. I guess I've underestimated my ability to picture a pattern in my head and see how it could be scaled up. It's just a bit of arithmetic. I can recommend scaling up historical patterns - it feels like you're bringing something that was dead and forgotten back to life. My own wedding dress was from that 1660's pattern and it was very exciting seeing it come alive after 350 years, knowing there are only a couple of bodices like this left in existence. But I ramble...

I don't have Waisted Efforts. Is it good then? This was from Corsets and Crinolines (Norah Waugh). :)

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]blackrayne
2004-05-18 02:57 pm UTC (link)
don't have Waisted Efforts. Is it good then? This was from Corsets and Crinolines (Norah Waugh). :)

Ahhh...I knew it was form one of the two...I have yet to get Corsets and Crinolines, though it is on my Amazon wish list. Waisted Efforts, from what I have looked in it, seems ok, though I haven't had a chance to try any of the patterns in it.

Do you have a photo of your wedding dress? Mine was a multi-layered tulle skirt with a leather bodice I made (my first, even!)...it came out splendidly, though I ended up with so few photos of it due to having a horrid photographer as opposed to the photographer I wanted. :(

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 11:43 pm UTC (link)
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours...


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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 11:46 pm UTC (link)
Here are a couple with more detail and with attendants:



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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]blackrayne
2004-05-19 05:17 am UTC (link)
Ahhh...I remember seeing these before! :) They are amazing!

I will have to look around here for one from my wedding that actually shows the majority of the dress...I know there are very few in existance.

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]harmanhay
2007-09-10 06:30 am UTC (link)
SEPT '07:

Photos are now here:

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]dragoneyes19
2004-05-18 03:43 pm UTC (link)
I was actually thinking of tackling this very corset, and i'm extremly curious how you're going to assemble it, I was always taught to do the 'reverse sandwich' method of construcition but I'm not sure how to do that with the cording shown in the pattern. How are you going to?

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Re: Quite impressive!
[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 11:52 pm UTC (link)
Well, unless I come up with a better method I can trust, it'll be my old theatrical method:

1 - baste together lining pieces with interlining piece(s)
2 - stitch Rigilene boning to these (She ain't a tightlacer)
3 - stitch pieces together to make, if you like, the "inside half" of the bodice
4 - baste together outside fabric pieces with another interlining, and stitch these together to make the "outside half" of the bodice
5 - right sides together, stitch at edges, turn right side out, bind top and bottom edges.
6 - Eyelets etc. There'll be no busk in this one, it'll lace down the front.

So the boning will be on the inside.

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[info]purplecleo
2004-05-18 11:48 am UTC (link)
Wow! ::is mind boggled:: I wish I had the gift of math, it would make pattern making a lot easier. ::envious:: That was very well said.

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[info]harmanhay
2004-05-18 01:24 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I'm impressed if you understood that. Guess the training as a high school Math teacher came in handy after all!

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[info]cradleoftears
2004-08-15 02:55 pm UTC (link)
could you please scan me the first pattern? is for my one use, i can't have acess to it and around here we can buy corset patterns, only normal clothes patterns...
if you can email me to CradleOfTears@hotmail.com.... if you can't, then tks anyway for your atention ;\

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[info]harmanhay
2004-08-30 11:58 pm UTC (link)
I would if I had a scanner... but I can tell you where it comes from - it's in a well-known book called "Corsets and Crinolines" by Norah Waugh.

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[info]cradleoftears
2004-09-03 04:15 am UTC (link)
tks... i'll try to find the book! it will be difficult but i'll try anyway! ;)

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[info]goatsfoot
2006-12-27 01:21 pm UTC (link)
Thankyou for your clear description of how to adapt the pattern... I love how corset making can be so, er, geometric and precise in thinking.

I think that if I do that for quite a few patterns in Corsets and Crinolines (Budget option folks: I can find copies of this book at my local fashion school library to photocopy), or elsewhere I find patterns, I'd build up some kind of intuition as to what makes a good 3D pattern around a body (and be able to draft new patterns much better)... do people here find this is the case?

I just made a tight push-up pattern from scratch from a basic block, trying to figure out the right silhouette, and its evolution took ages and ages with all the mock-ups. I think I'd be better off learning off existing patterns! Now I have it clear how! :D x

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[info]harmanhay
2006-12-28 12:22 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad you found this helpful and yes, I think the ability to picture how things work 3D gets easier with practice.

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[info]waterhousesmuse
2007-09-08 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Hey there! I'm using your method to re-size an 18th century pair of stays, but it seems the illustrative photographs you had here have gone missing. Do you still have them, and would you mind re-posting?

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[info]harmanhay
2007-09-10 06:28 am UTC (link)
No problem - I've also added links to the finished gown.

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