kaiserfraud ([info]corphq) wrote,
@ 2005-09-09 09:28:00
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Another Kaiser Employee Treated Like Dirt
Kaiser Thrive Exposed just published the story of another employee horribly mistreated by Kaiser. Many of his experiences echo my own. He was trying to please erratic superiors during a probationary period. When the Kaiser managers decided to push him out, they developed phony documentation to make their actions look legal.

Similar to my case, Kaiser presented a set of rules for the employee to follow, but the employee was punished for following them. This is a way managers at Kaiser seize personal power: if they can punish an employee either for failing to follow rules or for following the rules, then the manager can do whatever they want on whim. This situation is extremely stressful for the employee, because it's impossible to make rational decisions. Employees can't read their manager's mind from moment to moment, and they don't know what secret rules the established group may be following. It's possible management wants to see the employees stand up against peer pressure and advocate for their patients. It's also possible management wants to see if the employee is "flexible" or savvy enough to pick up on the secret rules of the community - the pecking order, the politics, etc. There's just no way for the employee to tell, so from the employee's perspective the work environment is just random.

Also similar to my case, Kaiser cut off this employee in a way that made it difficult to find comparable work elsewhere. Because he was in a probabtionary period, Kaiser terminated him without reason - notice the stock phrase "not a good fit". Note also the retaliation of filing the "termination" with various professional boards - which looks to me like a direct result of the employee questioning the "reports" that were used against him.

This employee has had to pursue "dispute resolution" with Kaiser at his own expense (it's unclear how long this process has been dragging out - mine took seven months). Also similar to my case, Kaiser is not allowing him access to the evidence to make his case in a Hearing (if the pattern holds, Kaiser HR is busy destroying the evidence to cover for the managers). In other words, this employee is paying his own way for a Hearing that will only serve to create more documentation to uphold the decision some bad manager already made.

I'm glad the employee also points out his previous experience and the improved conditions of his current workplace. I think he has a point about Kaiser trying to prevent they people they discard from becoming their competition. I'm also glad that he's pointing out how the cavalier attitude of Kaiser manager's toward their organizations supposed policies and procedures ultimately sabotages the care being given to patients. I hope he makes it his life mission to give patients a better option than Kaiser.

It is however interesting that the CEO of the Northern California region, Robert Pearl, responded to this employee's letter after the employee had run into all the usual brick walls. No one at Kaiser ever responded to me. Maybe the one good thought here is that I made enough noise so Kaiser no longer thinks it can just flick people away like flies.

Update: Just found this blog with remarks on Kaiser Thrive. I don't run Kaiser Thrive, but I cheer it on every chance I get.



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[info]fishsanwitt
2005-09-09 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Maybe the one good thought here is that I made enough noise so Kaiser no longer thinks it can just flick people away like flies.


I hope so :)

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[info]corphq
2005-09-09 10:34 pm UTC (link)
An Anon below remarked that the employee in this case is a physician, so he probably gets some special consideration. Darn - totally deflates my fantasy of finally having some influence.

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(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 06:36 pm UTC (link)
Reading about another employee's saga reinforces the point that Kaiser has an integrity deficiency. They're addiction to smearing the reputations of others to cover up their incompetence illustrates that they have a corporate culture which condones and rewards congenital liars. I can't help but think of how the Army's lawyer Joe Welch rebuked Senator McCarthy in the 1950's: "At long last have you decency?" We have a real problem when an organization that profits from providing health care services is bereft of decency, honor and competence.

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[info]corphq
2005-09-09 10:32 pm UTC (link)
I think it's more than "integrity deficiency". Kaiser is condoning psychological torture. These managers are inflicting permanent damage on these employees, and Kaiser is not lifting a finger to take responsibility or change that situation. They are just relying on the fact that it's hard to prove the psychological effects of exposing people to arbitrary, often contradictory situations when their livelihood is at stake (notice that Kaiser's actions have an ongoing effect on the rest of the victim's career). Further damage is done by using fake documentation to impose Kaiser's self-serving fiction over the reality experienced by the employee. Further damage is done by using intimidation tactics and smears to overpower any attempt to dispute or defend against the damage Kaiser has done.

Kaiser needs to consider what it does to employees to be ordered to write down what they don't like about their job by a manager who is trying to document a reason to fire them. The employee can't disobey: they will be fired. Even if the employee attempts to equivocate by stating they love their job, that they don't want to write down what they don't like, and they try to be vague about what they don't like - the manager can just use this equivocation as a sign of potential disloyalty or a "communication problem". If the employee just writes down what they dislike as the manager requested, then they are just listing reasons that they don't "fit in".

Kaiser HR should reject any such "documentation" as something extorted, especially in regard to probationary employees who can be terminated without cause. Moreover, they should take a close look at managers who think that psychological torture is an acceptable practice.

Just in case anyone is interested, Kaiser has been flaunting that the manager above still works for them and continues to enjoy their support.

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Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 08:13 pm UTC (link)
He only answered because this person is a doctor.

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Re: Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
[info]corphq
2005-09-09 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Good point. I guess I need to work harder to bring about ethical reform. ;-)

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Re: Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 10:53 pm UTC (link)
I don't discount your contribution to reforming Kaiser's ways, but that was my initial thought about this new employee horror story.

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Re: Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
[info]corphq
2005-09-09 11:17 pm UTC (link)
No, I think you're right. Kaiser management does favor the interests of physicians over other folk. In fact they favor hiring physicians for any job, no matter what the expertise required. Notice the effect this has had on Kaiser's IT development. ;-)

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Re: Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
(Anonymous)
2005-09-09 11:24 pm UTC (link)
I'm just thrilled to see Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy repeating over and over in the comments =)

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Re: Robbie Pearl - Chief Executive Butt Boy
[info]corphq
2005-09-09 11:39 pm UTC (link)
LOL!

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-13 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Same stuff pulled on my a few years ago. I went to union. Union didn't do much of anything so I told them I was going to EEOC. They then told me they had a rep who did that and to leave a complete file with complaint and substantiating information on table. I foolishly did so, trusting union. No one admits to knowing what happened to that file. It did contain medical documentation supporting my contention that the traumatic and toxic work environment at Kaiser had triggered fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome. After this information "disappeared" the attempt to make me quit and/or catch me in wrongdoing intensified. I could name specific instances but am doing that in a book so will not here. What is different is I had passed my probation. They really went all out in their campaign to get me to go and tried everything in the book to see if I had been doing things on the job I was not supposed to, even putting me in situations where no matter what I did I would be wrong. I saw them bully -- yes, workplace bullying severe enough to cause some suicides and post-traumatic stress disorder because of long duration -- at least 10 other people in my department out. They chose to leave over being treated in such a manner. I chose to stay because circumstances dictated that I do so and God saw me through and gave me the strength to do so; otherwise I could not have. Now I choose to leave and am counting the days until I am free of this evil, corrupt place. P.S. The doctor who had supported me and agreed the workplace trauma caused things -- she was given an order to change her tune and offered promotion if she would compromise her principles and ethics -- she did.

Isn't there anywhere that all people from Kaiser nationwide who have experienced workplace psychological terrorism can blog on one site, maybe class action? Make Kaiser's inhumane treatment very, very public?

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[info]corphq
2005-10-14 06:52 pm UTC (link)
I also contacted the union because my office had played games with my temp contract to avoid union rules. They never replied.

//No one admits to knowing what happened to that file.//

If I'm understanding you correctly, this is the most stupid aspect of investigations. Why would people who still want to remain employed witness on your behalf? They may even bear false witness against you if they think that will please their employer. Two different Kaiser employers lied in affadavits in my case because they wanted to help build a cover story for their boss, Douglas Lynch. The Douglas Lynch incident doesn't even have anything to do with the Systems Diagrams - Kaiser just wanted to use my case to slip in some "official" documentation to cover him.

//medical documentation//

Kaiser would not release my medical documentation during the SEVEN MONTHS of their "dispute resolution procedure". They "investigate" by making sure all evidence they don't like is suppressed.

//attempt to make me quit and/or catch me in wrongdoing intensified. //

Yep, that's normal at Kaiser. I saw that happen to other people. There should be a law against *stalking* employees with the intent to take away their livelihood.

//am doing that in a book//

Let me know if I can help you with that. I'm an excellent proofreader, too, if you don't hit me with hundreds of pages all at once.

//passed my probation//

I think the year I worked as a temp should have counted as my probation. That's a phony concept cynically used to get around laws that protect employees.

//putting me in situations where no matter what I did I would be wrong.//

I could there's a secret upper management office at Kaiser that passes around a book on how to do this. Managers know exactly what they're doing, and they *smile* about it to make sure you know that they are using the powers that are above the rules. Your work performance and all the past contributions you've made don't mean a thing in that environment.

A lot of people talk about incentives for people to undertake advanced education and training, but I think it would be most useful to stop punishing people for doing well. When corporations like Kaiser let managers abuse talented and hard-working employees, then they are creating disincentives and actively destroying merit.

//cause some suicides and post-traumatic stress disorder because of long duration //

I hope these are mentioned in your book.

//The doctor who had supported me and agreed the workplace trauma caused things -- she was given an order to change her tune and offered promotion if she would compromise her principles and ethics//

This is exactly what Kaiser does. They don't fix the problem, they cover it up.

//all people from Kaiser nationwide who have experienced workplace psychological terrorism can blog on one site, maybe class action?//

People can all blog here if they want. They can just let me know if they want me to turn their comments into a featured post, and I will post it. This was very much my hope when I started this blog. It's hard to go public about these things, especially if you feel alone in the experience. I hoped if I were willing to put myself on the line, other people would come forward.

As for a class action, I'm not sure what could be used as the common bond so that exempt and union employees could join forces. Kaiser encouraging or failing to stop corrupt managers? Obstuction of the law in destroying evidence? Kaiser's offense needs to not only be against the law, but worth enough money in damages for an attorney to pursue it. The government isn't going to help because they think of Kaiser as a cornerstone of the Bay Area economy.









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medical documentation of work-caused illness
(Anonymous)
2005-10-14 07:37 pm UTC (link)
I routinely got a copy of my medical records after any procedure or specialist visit and even visits to general practitioner if it had to do with stress-related trauma from workplace. This is the only way I have the medical documentation. Please note, some of these papers present in my collection obtained from Kaiser the usual way one obtains medical records, are not now present in my file. It is pretty difficult for the doctor to deny what she said in her own writing, but had I waited until later I would not have the proof.

As for legality of workplace psychological terrorism -- a law needs to be passed making this behavior ILLEGAL, as it is now illegal to sexually harrass a person.

We refer to any new manager's hiring and then being absent from the work site for weeks because they are in Pasadena being "trained" to be Kaiser managers -- we call that being kaiserized -- how to do all the dirty, nasty, underhanded, deceitful managerial tactics.

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Re: medical documentation of work-caused illness
[info]corphq
2005-10-14 09:31 pm UTC (link)
//copy of my medical records after any procedure or specialist visit //

My problem arose because I agreed to a test program where I consulted with my doctor via a computer interface. The doctor got email, but I didn't get copies. I eventually got some of the copies over a year later, but at least one crucial one is missing. This experience is why I believe people should think thrice before getting on any EMR bandwagon.

//workplace psychological terrorism -- a law needs to be passed making this behavior ILLEGAL, as it is now illegal to sexually harrass a person.//

I totally agree. And there needs to be a way for rank-and-file workers to document and record managerial misconduct. And these records need to be in the custody of the workers, since the businesses have displayed a tendency to conveniently lose such records.

//being absent from the work site for weeks//

I actually had this experience at a former job. I quit after the manager had been gone for over two months, but was somehow still in charge of documenting performance (he just assessed everyone as average and called it a day.)

//kaiserized -- how to do all the dirty, nasty, underhanded, deceitful managerial tactics.//

I have to remember that for my own book. ;-)





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I was fired from kaiser for being gay
[info]ifs24
2005-11-10 06:25 pm UTC (link)
I have worked at kaiser about 3months and one day. I was fired yesterday, i was told that i was "always late" and that i never called. First of all i was late only 4 times. I live in the high desert and i worked in ontario. One of the times i was late because there was a shooting in the freeway and the freeway was closed. the last three times were because of accidents on the freeway. Usually it takes me 45 minutes to get to work without much traffic. I left at 6 in the morning and didnt go in to work until 8:15. so i had plenty of time in case of an accident or what not. I am the only gay guy in the Ontario I ave clinic, my domestic partner which had been hired at the same time that i was for different positions, left the first day, because he felt threatened or just out of place. i stayed and worked. Everybody new i was gay. I think the reason why Susan Miles the head admin, did not like me was because, i told my friend that i thought she looked like a lesbian. I didnt know but that friend was very a long time friend of Susan. I think thats the time she started not liking me. I was told by hr when hired that there was a process for termination. that i was suppose to be warned before fired. I was told try not to be sick or call out or late, "if you are, we understand" BS. The four times i was late i asked if id be written up and i was told no. I actually began waking up even earlier to get to work and sometimes i would be there and hour and fifteen minutes there before my shift. Iam an excellent worker, not because i say so, but because all my co workers say it. I dont know what to do I have never been fired and I dont know what am i suppose to do next. Can anybody help me? What should i do?

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Re: I was fired from kaiser for being gay
[info]corphq
2005-11-10 11:10 pm UTC (link)
I also lost my job without any sort of warning, and I was only told my manager thought I was a bad fit. Kaiser thinks it can get away with this if you're still in your probation period. I didn't get any help from the California Dept. of Fair Employment and Housing (DFEH) - but you can go there to file the discrimination complaint as well as the EEOC.

I suspect that Kaiser can and should be sued for situations like these, but so far the State has been covering for them at the expense of relatively helpless working people. Please feel free to post comments here and keep me updated on your situation. Half my hits come from Kaiser, so Kaiser HR will be put on notice, too.

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Kaiser corporate corruption again!
(Anonymous)
2005-12-05 03:30 am UTC (link)
I am sorry that I am unable to identify myself as I would be terminated from Kaiser. Kaiser is evil. Kaiser is just another corporation that cares nothing about health. Kaiser is in with the pharmaceutical companies on destroying people's health. Kaiser is pushing cholesterol , diabetic, blood pressure, and other medications and vaccines on more and more people which is causing a downward spiral on a person's well-being. This ensures continuing revenue for both Kaiser and the pharmaceutical industry. I will submit more information from the inside at a later date. I don't appreciate that the option that logs your IP address is active. Please remove that option as we must feel secure that we truly will remain anonymous. Thank-you.

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Re: Kaiser corporate corruption again!
[info]corphq
2005-12-05 07:03 am UTC (link)
I'm sorry the IP option makes you nervous: I leave it on so I know when people from Kaiser are commenting. I assure you that I can't tell anything else from the IP address. The IP address also isn't visible to anyone but me, so I promise your anonymity won't be compromised.

You should note that Kaiser does use exposure of anonymity as a weapon against critics. While the Courts have consistently protected anonymous public speech, nothing happened to Kaiser for using a nuisance suit to leak my name to the press. You can be sure Kaiser registered that success as a precedent, so you should be as careful as possible.

I agree that pushing medication can cause more problems than they solve. Kaiser also prescribes in a way that makes accountability as ambiguous as possible: physicians always say they are treating symptoms instead of making a specific diagnosis.

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