Chuck SMITH ([info]amuzulo) wrote,
@ 2003-07-07 23:15:00
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Jen la fina venko! / We have a winner!
Gratulon al [info]katica por ŝia venko per la kvizo, Kiu kanto de Dolcxamar estas vi? La jenaj taglibroj faris la kvizon: [info]katica, [info]amuzulo, [info]thisheregiraffe, [info]belulino, [info]vicxanulo. Anstataŭ la t-ĉemizo, ŝi elektis ricevi la libron, Kroata milita noktlibro de Spomenka Ŝtimec. [info]nokttrajno ricevos la duan premion, 2 monatoj de membreco ĉe LJ! Gratulon ankaŭ al vi!

Congratulations to [info]katica for her victory, with the quiz, Kiu kanto de Dolcxamar estas vi? (Which song by Dolcxamar are you?) These livejournals have done the quiz: [info]katica, [info]amuzulo, [info]thisheregiraffe, [info]belulino, [info]vicxanulo. Instead of the t-shirt, she chose to receive the book, Kroata milita noktlibro (Croatian war night-book) by Spomenka Ŝtimec. [info]nokttrajno receives the second prize, 2 months of LJ membership! Congratulations to you both!

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[info]jiggery_pokery
2003-07-07 04:44 pm UTC (link)
I was looking at the "one-page" (one-sheet, ahem) Esperanto summary on your web page and was pretty impresed by the internal logic of the language. This was partially motivated by pondering the stupidities of English like its irregular verbs. Does Esperanto have any irregular verbs?

Languages without accented letters seem to be preferable to languages with accented letters to my set of tastes and prejudices, largely because (e.g.) é to produce an é seems like a lot to type for one character. Come the revolution I suppose there will be Esperanto keyboards with accented characters on; maybe you know of some program to remap the function keys to accented characters already.

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[info]amuzulo
2003-07-07 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Yep, Esperanto has no irregular verbs.

Ek! seems to be a good program, but I just can't seem to get it to work on my computer. :-( A lot of people just write an h or x after what would be an accented character, so instead of ruĝa, you could type rugha or rugxa. The x's are used more on the Internet since the letter x doesn't exist in the Esperanto alphabet. People do something similar in German... they type ae for ä and oe for ö if they're at a keyboard where they can't type those letters.

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[info]dhaaz
2003-07-07 06:06 pm UTC (link)
In place of the summary I wrote and deleted, here's a better description of the origin of the umlaut. The use of an appended e in place of an vowel with an umlaut has a longer history than keyboards and poor multi-lingual support.

Keyboard layouts can generally be found, or created, to match what one wants. On Macs, this is often unnecessary, courtesy of the convenient option-digraphs. Typing option+(one of several different keys), and following this with an acceptable second character typed regularly, will result in an accented character. To see what's acceptable and the like, use Keycaps. Alternately, for making web-friendly accented characters quickly, without all that typing, one could make a script to recognise specific unusual character combinations one has designated for the accented characters one wants inserted, and then replace them with the appropriate ampersand+whatever+semicolon.

For representing languages with accented characters online, a typical approach is just to not use the accents, leaving it to context and the reader's familiarity with the language to understand it as if it were accented. I know this is the case in French, and can see it easily being adapted to the other Romance languages (barring Ro/umanian written in Cyrillic, but then, you've got a whole other barrel of problems with trying to do that). In languages where this would cause a serious conflict of words that are difficult to distinguish by context, other solutions like Esperanto's may perhaps be used, but that, I do not know.

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[info]akcipitrokulo
2003-07-09 05:11 am UTC (link)
John Hoyne wrote an add on for word where it automatically converts to accented letters if it is followed by an x (you type cx and it comes out ĉ) and is on a toggle on/off switch. I think this is his here, but it might be a similar idea :-) anyway, it works really well.

http://www.skotlando.org/Downloads/wordproc/espad/index.htm

There are other options at

http://www.skotlando.org/Downloads/wordproc/index.htm

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[info]amuzulo
2003-07-09 06:47 am UTC (link)
Cool! I'll definitely have to check that out when I have more time!!

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[info]katica
2003-07-07 07:16 pm UTC (link)
Once I said the Croatian word for "squeak!" in a chatroom, omitting the accent.....Thus changing the meaning of the sentance to a command to suck my nipples. Since then I'm very leery of forgetting accents! I'll even do something uns^ightly [like that!] if I have to.

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Sentaugulo kaj fiera!
[info]kunar
2003-07-08 02:06 am UTC (link)
Tiu kvizo estas plia paŝo al absoluta gajleco! (jes, slanga esprimo - tre deca por Dolcxamaremulo)

Bedaŭrinde ke enestas kelkaj lingvaj eraretoj, kaj ke nur uziĝis tri Dolcxamar-kantoj (oni povus facile imagi la uzon ekz. de "Junaj idealistoj". Nu, eble mi mem cerbumu pri bona kvizo ("Kiu albumo de Persone vi estas?", aŭ simile).

Ĉu iu jam kontaktis Dolcxamar?

*Ĉu vi pretas, ĉu vi pretas, ĉu vi pretas por la kvizo pri Dolcxamar?*

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Re: Sentaugulo kaj fiera!
[info]amuzulo
2003-07-08 02:22 am UTC (link)
haha, se vi povas fari pli bone, faru! :-D Ne, ni ne kontaktis Dolcxamar...

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Se la cerbo volas...
[info]kunar
2003-07-08 09:16 am UTC (link)
Saluton!

Jen kion produktis mia cerbo hodiaŭ:
Kiu albumo de Persone vi estas?

Intence iom sensenca, sed kiu konas Persone, tiu ĝojos pri la alludoj kaj citaĵoj! Ne forgesu diri al mi kiu albumo vi estas (hahaha)!

DĴ Kunar, ĵus finiĝinte plian verkaĉon

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Kaj fiera...
[info]e_novosti
2003-07-08 09:00 am UTC (link)
Aperis ankaux cxe http://www.ikso.net/novosti/blog/08.07.2003/1 kaj cxe http://www.livejournal.com/users/e_novosti/

Gxuu la cirilajxon. ;) Sendu aldone iun jxurnaleton por katica ;)

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Re: Kaj fiera...
[info]amuzulo
2003-07-08 09:37 am UTC (link)
Mi sendos de ELNA, do mi petos al ili ke ili sendu unu Esperanto USA senpage...

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Kaj malavara!..
[info]e_novosti
2003-07-08 01:31 pm UTC (link)
Ho kia mi estas malavara!..

Aux cxu la malavara estas Chuck?..

Ne gravas. Gravas, ke ni faris ion bonan kune. :)

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