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Severus Snape, a deeply horrible person.

  • Jun. 14th, 2005 at 10:04 PM
Ladybird
*Warning: This can be seen as a rant, a polemic, or a disputation. Please take your pick.*

A little lengthy, so behind the LJ cut for those of you who couldn't give a toss about Severus Snape.

Severus Snape, a deeply horrible person.

Despite the fact that I can see that saying this is going to make me somewhat unpopular in some quarters, it was reading one too many apologists for Severus Snape that finally made me snap. Someone implied that Harry sees Snape from a skewed perspective, based mainly on the fact that Snape 'won't cut him any slack'. I have no problem with agreeing that Harry sees Snape from a very skewed perspective, and I blame Snape entirely for that fact, but do the words cut him any slack in any way describe the appalling behaviour that Snape indulges in towards Harry?

I probably don’t need to say this after that introduction, but I’ll be completely honest and say that while I find Snape a fascinating character I completely and utterly detest him. Mind you, even his creator calls him "a deeply horrible person", which is not exactly a vote of confidence in the character is it?

So, let’s just take a moment and think about Snape and his prejudicial, spiteful and, in my mind, unforgivable behaviour towards Harry. Putting it bluntly, Snape is an adult while Harry is a child. The responsibility is therefore on Snape to behave in a manner appropriate to an adult dealing with a child and a teacher dealing with a student. Yet time and time again we see him acting like a vengeful and malignant bastard in respect not only to Harry, but also to Harry’s housemates, particularly the terrified and inoffensive Neville Longbottom. You have to wonder how he would have treated Harry had he been sorted, by the Sorting Hat’s first choice, into Slytherin since he blatantly favours the students from his House as opposed to McGonagall who treats her Gryffindors as severely, if not more severely, than she does students from the other three Houses!

As an aside, I note that as a parent of a teenager I also have to ask what the hell Dumbledore is thinking of in permitting Snape to act in such a damaging and reprehensible manner towards impressionable young children? If my child ever reported a fraction of the verbal abuse that Snape dishes out on a daily basis to me, I’d be at the Head teacher’s office before you could say 'apparate' demanding that he be sacked!

Right, after having taken care of my parental duties I'll return to my argument. *g*

I have also seen it suggested that Snape is bitter and jealous of Harry because he did nothing to deserve his fame as the Boy Who Lived, while Snape was the one who betrayed friends, risked life and limb, etc. in fighting Voldemort. Let's look at this statement a little closer shall we. Snape chose to become a Death Eater in the first instance, he then, for a reason that has never been disclosed to us, chose to change sides and 'betray' his friends. Harry, on the other hand, did not choose to have his parents killed or to become famous for surviving the Killing Curse. If Snape is bitter that is his problem and the results of his own choices, it is certainly not the fault of Harry.

I have also seen it suggested that Snape is bitter towards Harry because he feels he has to do whatever is necessary to protect the boy even at the expense of his own Slytherin students. This ignores the fact that Snape has a duty of care to all his students, Slytherin or otherwise, and I fail to see why protecting Harry would automatically place any student in peril. It also ignores the fact that Harry has never asked for, wanted or expected Snape to do anything to help or protect him, and would probably be horrified at the thought of having to feel beholden to him.

This has been followed by suggestion that he is bitter because as a known Death Easter, exposed and denounced by Karkaroff at his trial, but with his loyalty vouched for by Dumbledore yet playing a dangerous game as a double agent he cannot provide the Slytherin children with the guide and counselling that they need to make them see the error of their ways. I would argue that this is not his responsibility anyway. The school's responsibility is to educate and the teachers's personal responsibility is to lead by example. Snape's blatant favouritism coupled with his unerring viciousness towards the student's of other houses, particularly Gryffindor, does little to convince any Slytherin that tolerance and cooperation will be rewarded. While any suggestion that he must specifically behave like this towards Harry to convince Voldemort and the Death Eaters of his true loyalty really doesn't wash. It was Lucius Malfoy himself that advised Draco to make friends with Harry and not to show his dislike too obviously, advice Draco chooses to ignore rather spectacularly. So if a Death Easter can advice his son to remain impartial, one would assume that a supposed reformed Death Eater would be friendly toward Harry, or at the least ignore him and treat him no differently that the other students.

The biggest justification given for Snape's behaviour towards Harry is the appalling way that James Potter and his fellow Marauders treated him. That he was treated terribly is not in dispute, however, since Harry never had the opportunity to learn from his father, trying to blame him for his father's sins is nonsensical and ignorant, and Snape has never struck me as ignorant. In fact I find it somewhat ironic that he shows so much favour to Draco who acts exactly like the spoilt, obnoxious brat he accuses Harry of being, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Snape has Dumbledore's confidence, and it wouldn't take too much effort on his part for him to discover the truth about Harry and the way he was, and continues to be, treated while living with the Dursleys. It appears to me that he just doesn't want to deal with any facts that could challenge his worldview.

In Snape's favour (and you don't want to know how hard it is for me to say those three words), he has protected Harry and his friends despite the possible threat to his own life. He continues to spy for Dumbledore risking his life on a regular basis, and, as I’ve said before, he appears to be trusted implicitly by Dumbledore, and is part of the inner circle of people who make up the Order of the Phoenix.

I wait with anticipation for the next books to see if we get a greater understanding of both what motivates and has created the character of Severus Snape, but it's going to take something very remarkable for me to ever forgive or excuse his objectionable behaviour to the orphaned, innocent, naïve and bewildered eleven year old Harry, and his continued bigoted and spiteful attitude towards him ever since.

Next: Do those people who insist on declaiming that Dumbledore favours Harry and the Gryffindors while being prejudicial towards the Slytherins, ever take time out of their anti Harry/Gryffindor/Dumbledore - Pro Slytherin rants to realise that the books are called Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone etc. specifically because they are about Harry, his friends and his adventures? Unsurprisingly we never see Dumbledore or the other teachers interacting intimately (or positively) with the Slytherins, or indeed with any of the other Houses because the books are all from Harry's point of view! Oh, and lets remember that Harry and his friends get rewarded for acts of outstanding heroism, rather than high kicks. Perhaps when Draco gets off his arse and does something courageous, instead of his usual malicious and spiteful, yet doesn’t get rewarded by Dumbledore then I'll accept the accusation of favouritism.

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[info]sef1029 wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 02:38 pm (UTC)
My complaint is with the author. With each book, I hope that she's finally going to give some complexity/humanity to Snape, Draco, and the Slytherins. But they have remained disappointingly cardboardish villains.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 03:02 pm (UTC)
here via d.s. - [info]prettyveela - Jun. 14th, 2005 07:02 pm (UTC)
[info]_inbetween_ wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 04:42 pm (UTC)
Ah, finally *puts in memories*
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 04:59 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]_inbetween_ - Jun. 15th, 2005 04:35 am (UTC)
[info]kitzen_kat wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 04:48 pm (UTC)
I have reread the books in the hope of finding the cutesy, wuvvy Snapekins mentioned by some fans, but he's not there. He is unfair, partisan, prejudiced, and unyielding. Yes, I can understand that he was hurt by the treatment meted out to him by his fellow students when he was at school, but it is hardly the action of an adult to blame a child for the parents' actions. I keep on expecting him to suddenly get an 'adult', forward-looking perspective, but maybe that will happen in the latter books.

Or in book seven, all Snape's behaviour could be revealed to be an act.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 14th, 2005 09:33 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:36 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:37 am (UTC)
[info]elyciel wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 04:55 pm (UTC)
*applauds* I'm really not at all a Snape fan either, and it's a relief to know that there are people who feel the same way. :) To me, the way Snape treats Harry and the students he doesn't like is just... unprofessional and immature, no matter how mistreated he was as a student himself.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:23 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]elyciel - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:31 pm (UTC)
[info]nights_mistress wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:12 pm (UTC)
Thank you! No, seriously. I just cannot fathom how he's a teacher, given the abuse he dishes out daily. And it's savage and cruel what he does -- and these are traits that are really not desirable in a teacher or, even, a person as a whole. He's not a good teacher. He's not a good person. So why the freaking apologists! At his age, if he's still holding a grudge against a child who has never known his parents, he shouldn't be counted as an adult, let alone an adult in authority.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nights_mistress - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:29 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]luktar - Jun. 14th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:38 am (UTC)
[info]millefiori wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC)
As someone who has made a few of the arguments you mention in an attempt to understand Snape's behavior, I want to say that I totally agree with you that there is absolutely no excuse for the way he treats Neville, Harry and others. But I honestly do think there is some validity to some these arguments if you look at them from Snape's perspective. Is his perspective rational? Hell no! If he were rational he wouldn't behave the way he does. But I do think that he thinks he's justified. In my experience even the nastiest of people generally feel absolutely justified in their behavior, no matter how awful it may be.

I think such speculation is not so much me apologizing for him as it is me reaching for some way to relate to him and the Slytherins, because it's my nature to want to figure out what makes characters tick, what motivates them, etc. And so far JKR hasn't given us much info on them since, as you so accurately point out, the story is Harry's!
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]millefiori - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:47 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 14th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 14th, 2005 09:39 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]millefiori - Jun. 14th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 14th, 2005 10:02 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 14th, 2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]millefiori - Jun. 14th, 2005 10:15 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]ms_hecubus - Jun. 14th, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]scary_sushi - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:51 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]millefiori - Jun. 15th, 2005 01:13 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]scary_sushi - Jun. 16th, 2005 11:11 am (UTC)
[info]westwardlee wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this. I have heard so many people defending Snape that sometimes I wonder if I'm missing something.

He's mean, petty, disagreeable. As a teacher he's despicable. I don't really care if he had a terrible childhood or if James and Sirius bullied him. He should either build a bridge and get over it or not teach at all. If you are not mentally stable, you certainly shouldn't be around students.

Loved your post.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:44 am (UTC)
[info]mysterymeg wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
*shrug*
Okay, I'll admit that I do like Snape, though I admit freely that he is a deeply horrible person. His hatred of the Marauders is more or less justified (NOT, I emphasize, his actions toward them), but his hatred of Harry is, as others have said, unprofessional and immature.

I agree with you, if I had a child who suffered that kind of verbal abuse at Snape's hands, I'd have some serious verbal whupass ready for the Potions Master and Headmaster alike. Especially if I were Neville Longbottom's guardian.

I don't believe that Snape is irredeemable, but at the moment, I think it's safe to say he's a work in progress. From HIS perspective, it makes perfect sense. I suppose to fully understand his perspective, you'd have to be...well...a deeply horrible person.

Kind of scary that I'm a Snape FAN and I'm writing this. Oh well. At least I didn't use the word 'Sevvie'.

--Meg
Re: *shrug* - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:49 am (UTC)
[info]ducks_in_a_row wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:32 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't call myself a Snape apologist, but I love the character. I like him nasty ;-) (altho I'd argue that Umbridge is a far nastier person than Snape has ever been) He's a deeply flawed character, so deeply that I'd argue that despite his intelligence, he's incapable of changing his way of thinking, his behavior patterns. Why? (shrugs) JKR has given us just bare hints at Snape's past, so we have no way of knowing what shaped Snape (it certainly can't all be attributed to James et al), or if he was simply born nasty.

And Harry's no angel. His heart's in the right place, but he can be a brat. Personally I like that--it makes him more 'real'. And it means that occasionally he gives Snape an excuse to come down on him. Not that Snape needs an excuse, but I think he particularly enjoys it when Harry gives him a legitimate reason to crack down.

What really goads Snape is that Harry doesn't follow the rules. Harry is chaos, Snape lives for control. They're *never* going to find common ground outside of their shared goal of defeating Voldemort.

Maybe Snape is the anti-Harry? ;-)


"As an aside, I note that as a parent of a teenager I also have to ask what the hell Dumbledore is thinking of in permitting Snape to act in such a damaging and reprehensible manner towards impressionable young children?"

Is that really so surprising? Dumbledore sentenced Harry to live with the Dursleys for eleven solid years as a very young child (and summers since then). In my mind the abuse he suffered at their hands is far worse than being forced to suffer through potions class with Snape. As it turned out, Dumbledore had a reason for what he did, but that doesn't undo the damage the Dursley's inflicted on a defenseless child.

I think there's a number of possible or even likely reasons that Dumbledore has kept Snape at Hogwarts. Whether JKR ever reveals those reasons (or I agree with them) remains to be seen :-)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 11:59 am (UTC)
[info]iulia_linnea wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:42 pm (UTC)
I cannot fault you for hating canon!Snape; he is a right bastard. But I've always thought there were no monsters, and I love exploring his character in fanfiction. There is room for that, I believe. I completely agree, however, that if the sonofabitch were my child's teacher, I'd have hexed him back to First Year by now.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 12:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]iulia_linnea - Jun. 15th, 2005 02:47 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 04:46 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]iulia_linnea - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
[info]tangleofthorns wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 05:51 pm (UTC)
Just one quibble (people have touched on my other ones): McGonagall is pretty partisan toward her own house. She broke the rules to get Harry a broom and put him on the Quidditch team; she didn't punish them too severely for the major breach of rules when they arrived second year; etc., etc. I think Snape is *as* biased toward Slytherin as others are biased against it; I don't blame him for compensating the school-wide attitude that Slytherins are evil by treating his Slytherins better, even though it is an immature thing to do.

He is a terrible teacher, and an immature person, and a nasty one, but that doesn't mean he can't be a sympathetic character at the same time, at least in my opinion.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 12:20 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tangleofthorns - Jun. 15th, 2005 03:21 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:11 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tangleofthorns - Jun. 16th, 2005 04:27 am (UTC)
[info]gershwhen wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
Can I just yell a BIG, ROUSING: YES!!!!!

I adore these books, but the apologists for Snape drive me nuts. I can see (if I squint) what they are trying to go for, but it comes down to Snape is a teacher and Harry is a CHILD. And therefore, Snape has responsibilities and no justification is possible for his treatment of Harry or Neville.

What I don't understand and am waiting to see (read?) is how much Dumbledore knows about what goes on in Snape's classroom. I happen to like Albus, and assume he isn't the all-knowing Headmaster that some portray him as, but I can NOT fathom how he allows a teacher to treat a child -- ANY CHILD, let alone one that he professes to love -- in the ways that he allows Snape to get away with.

But then, I'm still waiting to see if anyone deals with the ramifications of that horrid bloodquill.

Thanks for this rant, it was lovely and I'll be putting it in memories!
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 12:25 pm (UTC)
[info]athenazandrite wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
In my opinion, Snape doesn't need an excuse to be a bastard. He is and he doesn't care. I think he's perfectly aware of the fact that he's petty and vindictive and just plain mean for no good reason. Admittedly I can see where he sees Harry misbehaving giving him great oppertunities to tear into him. (writing while he's talking, disobeying the rules about as much as Draco but in different ways) And there are instances in canon where it seems like Slytherin gets shafted for no good reason, giving him more motivation to favor his students. But I also think he's really just not teacher material. His teaching method is 'scare the shit out of the kids and they'll make sure they don't screw up'. Which works for some students and just totally traumatises others.

We know he can control himself and his emotions because he does so every time he goes to a death eater meeting. So that means when he doesn't have to control himself he just doesn't seem to. I've always thought he favored Draco to an extreme because he might be afraid of Lucius. Or at least not want to attract any unpleasant attention from Lucius. And because Draco hates the same person he hates. My only problem is that he's hated Harry since the day he met him. For no apparent reason other than he is James Potter's son. I guess the resemblance might not help Harry in that matter. I keep thinking there has to be something Harry is responsible for, something that his defeat of Voldemort brought on, that makes him hate the kid so much. But again, it's a children's book so maybe it's just irrational hatred.

As for allowing Snape to treat Harry in that manner, I think there are a few factors. One is that Snape is important to the order, and he might get just a little bit of leeway because of that. Just like Harry breaks rules all the time and gets away with it. Snape can treat students poorly and get away with it. Dumbledore seems to be of the opinion that letting those things go is good for the people involved. Probably not true but it sure comes off that way. The other is that Wizarding practices seem quite outdated in comparison to muggle practices. And back in the day of physical punishment (which it seems has relatively recently been taken away, filch still remembers it so maybe in the last thirty/fourty years) treating students like that in private schools doesn't seem to have been frowned upon as often. Private schools get away with more anyway because the students stay there. They can't go home and tell their parents about each day. And children exaggerate(sp) so by the time they get home and talk to their folks, or bother to pick up a quill and write, the story may either be watered down from memory loss on it, or changed to be almost unbelievable. All that's guessing though, trying to explain it away.

Diconnected thoughts. O_o
(no subject) - [info]imkalena - Jun. 14th, 2005 09:56 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]athenazandrite - Jun. 14th, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alliekatgal - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:33 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]athenazandrite - Jun. 15th, 2005 06:21 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]athenazandrite - Jun. 15th, 2005 06:23 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 12:38 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alliekatgal - Jun. 15th, 2005 01:52 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 02:28 pm (UTC)
[info]gypso_child wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:04 pm (UTC)
While those are all reasons that he could be bitter/jealous/spiteful you also forgot the snippet we see in OotP about an abusive homelife and the fact that he's ugly as ugly can be and no doubt was made fun of by everone and their grandma.

Now, I'm not trying to justify him or anything, these I can see as simply being his reasons. The fact that they really aren't good reasons doesn't seem to matter to him because, in my opinion, Severus Snape is a vicious, wretched, petty, horrible man whom I have no difficulty believing joined the Death Eaters and quite likely enjoyed the whole torturing angle for a while there.

Of course, that may also be one of the reasons I love him, even when I'm trying not to throttle him for being such an absurd asshole to Harry and practically everybody else.
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 12:42 pm (UTC)
[info]fatalwhysper wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:05 pm (UTC)
In defense of the potions master...
(here from [info]daily_snitch) As [info]ducks_in_a_row is the only person to provide any sort of counter-argument, I'm going to throw in my two cents.

To begin, I think you did a great job of striking down the justifications for Snape's actions you listed. I don't believe that one can justify his actions. I do think there is something wrong in calling him a "deeply horrible person."

The most accurate explanation of why he acts how he does toward Harry comes from his own mouth: "To me, Potter, you are nothing but a nasty little boy who considers rules to be beneath him."(GoF 27) Which, from an external viewpoint, is an observation that is not too far from the truth. I think Snape acts especially harsh toward Harry on purpose to counterbalance what he views is a undeserved favoritism by Dumbledore and the Wizarding World as a whole. I honestly think Snape's treatment of Harry is the most justified of all of the students he is harsh toward.

I tend to side with Snape in his critique's of Harry's behavior. Where I don't 'agree' with his treatment is that of Neville and Hermione.

To explain why he is so harsh toward Neville, I present another quote "You are here to learn the subtle science and exact art of potionmaking...I don't expect you will really understand the beauty of the softly simmering cauldron with its shimmering fumes, the delicate power of liquids that creep through human veins, bewitching the mind, ensnaring the senses...I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stopper death"(SS 8) Its evident from the quote that Snape has a respect, a love even, for the art of Potion making. To him, potions are more than ingredients stirred together to make cool soup, they are works of art; things of beauty. This is why he is so harsh toward Neville. Neville, in his eyes, is desecrating his sacred art. Neville, to him, takes the paints from which a Mona Lisa could be made and instead finger-paints. I do think he fails as a teacher in this regard. I'm going to take this moment to state that I think as a teacher he is an absolute failure. I think that although Dumbledore has his reasons from keeping Snape from DADA, I think even that would be a better choice.

His failure as a teacher is evident in his reaction to Hermione. Any reasonable teacher would love a student who works as diligently as Hermione. Where a normal teacher would praise her hard work and depth of knowledge, Snape is intimidated. Snape belittles her, criticizes her, and generally puts her down for what he calls being "an insufferable know-it-all."(PoA 9)

Is Snape a git most of the time? Yes. Is Snape a good teacher? No. Is he unnecessarily harsh? Yes, most of the time. Is he biased? Yes. Is he a flawed, insecure, pained man with a past that provides more depth than possibly any of the other characters? Yes. Is he a deeply horrible person? A resounding No.

If you want a deeply horrible person with no morals and even less of a conscience, look no further than Dolores Umbridge.
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]saldemonium - Jun. 14th, 2005 08:36 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]helvirago - Jun. 14th, 2005 09:42 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]tunxeh - Jun. 14th, 2005 11:14 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]fatalwhysper - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:28 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]athenakt - Jun. 16th, 2005 07:09 am (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]lydialovestruck - Jun. 16th, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]athenakt - Jun. 17th, 2005 10:12 am (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]crazy_vasey - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:34 am (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]fatalwhysper - Jun. 15th, 2005 05:43 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]xdirewolfx - Jun. 15th, 2005 08:00 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 01:02 pm (UTC)
Re: In defense of the potions master... - [info]fatalwhysper - Jun. 15th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)
[info]caligryphy wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:17 pm (UTC)
Just chiming in, a little thing, on the 'how could Albus allow that?'--

This is Albus Dumbledore we're talking about. Albus 'Oh, Moody! He'll be a good choice' Dumbledore. Albus 'Wears a turban? How colorful! Certainly, he's hired!' Dumbledore. Albus 'Isn't his picture dashing? Such white teeth!' Dumbledore. Albus 'They starve him? Well, it's quite fashionable to be trim these days--send him to the Dursleys!' Dumbledore.

Of all the things he permits, I think allowing Snape to continue his disciplinarian rampage is pretty much the least offensive.

(Not that having Snape as a teacher wouldn't destroy my confidence...)

I still think Snape is the most interesting character in the books--asshattery, grandstanding, and all. (And that HBP is going to screw up all my conspiracy theories.)
(no subject) - [info]satora_chan - Jun. 14th, 2005 07:31 pm (UTC)
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[info]prettyveela wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:19 pm (UTC)
here via d.s
In Snape's favour (and you don't want to know how hard it is for me to say those three words), he has protected Harry and his friends despite the possible threat to his own life. He continues to spy for Dumbledore risking his life on a regular basis, and, as I’ve said before, he appears to be trusted implicitly by Dumbledore, and is part of the inner circle of people who make up the Order of the Phoenix.

You hit the nail on the head. Snape is a jerk, yet he's risked his life to protect the boy he hates and has Dumbledore's full trust. "Snape's Worst Memory" was the straw that broke the fandom back. JKR made a Slytherin *gasp* human, a Slytherin besides Riddle with a backstory! I was hooked after that chapter(and the chapter where we sees a part of Snape's childhood)

I think that's one reason why I like Snape. I was appalled when he threw Harry against the wall in "Snape's Worst Memory"(no teacher should touch a student)
but as [info]athenazandrite said, he doesn't NEED an excuse. He knows he's a bastard and makes no apologies for it, I have a grudging respect for that. He doesn't make excuses and he doesn't give a shit. I need to be like that sometimes in my real life with some people, lol.

I personally don't think that Snape hates Harry, I think he hates James and I think Lily has something to do with it, but we'll wait and see.

Re: here via d.s - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 01:09 pm (UTC)
[info]daisan wrote:
Jun. 14th, 2005 07:30 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes yes and more yes. I can't stand people who empathize with Snape and think he's misunderstood. He's not misunderstood. He's a git.

Thank you for posting this!
(no subject) - [info]alicambs - Jun. 15th, 2005 01:10 pm (UTC)