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Scot Hacker (shacker) wrote,
@ 2001-10-20 13:12:00
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Music:Olu Dara - Bell and Ponce

G4
Over the past 48 hours I have fallen completely, totally, and hopelessly in love with OS X.1 and this G4. As in, so in love I can't pull myself away until the wee hours. Everything is so tight, so well composed, so _designed_, so coherent. I've complained publicly about MacOS for years. But almost every single complaint I've had about Macs has been addressed. I think they've really finally nailed it with OSX. It's so invigorating to have that excitement about computing that I originally had with BeOS again. Only this time, it doesn't feel like a futile battle. Apple has a chance, has industry momentum that Be never had.

This whole user experience is just so sexy...

I do have some complaints, so it's not perfect. There are things that remind you you're still using a young OS. But overall, it's so on the right track it's not even funny. I can't say I regret dabbling in Windows after leaving BeOS behind, or the three months I just put into learning Linux - they were good educational experiences. But this feels like coming home.




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jerronimo
2001-10-20 02:31 pm UTC (link)
I know -EXACTLY- how you feel.

:D

I'm glad you like it. :]

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liqwid
2001-10-20 04:42 pm UTC (link)
I'm personally very impressed with the attention Apple is lavishing on it... early this week some silly glitch was uncovered which gave unpriveledged users a root prompt depending on their use of the recent items folder. This morning a fix was available- that's response time.

If it isn't -real- attention, the percieved attention is quite impressive.

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shacker
2001-10-21 12:34 pm UTC (link)
Yup, just installed those updates. Looks like Apple is learning a few bits and pieces from dealing with the open source community, and wants to make sure they don't get criticized of the same security problems as MS.

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(Anonymous)
2001-10-20 04:58 pm UTC (link)
10.1.1 offers a modest speed increase over 10.1 as well. Nothing nearly as drastic as 10.0->10.1, but more on the order of 10.0->10.0.4 .

Not that I'd know anything about it. *Cough*.

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Grrrr....
bizkiffer
2001-10-22 04:30 am UTC (link)
A lot of people, including you, are starting to make me really look at OSX. I played with an iBook a bit recently and I have to say that it is nice. It somehow feels comfortable and fresh. I will need to play with it a bit more to really know if I want something like this but it is starting to not go out of my head. I just need to look deeper into how it interacts with windows. ...

Grrr.... Already see myself going onto another hopeless battle ;)

Oliver aka BizKiffer

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Re: Grrrr....
shacker
2001-10-22 12:14 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like it's creeping up on you the same way it did on me. Long, slow, creep into my awareness, then suddenly WHOMP! right upside the head ;)

As for losing battles, we all feel a bit wary because of BeOS, but just using this system for a while, you can tell that it has thousands of times more money and momentum and chance for success than Be ever did. No guarantees of course, but I don't feel hopeless about it. Then again I can be naive that way ;)

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Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-10-22 06:51 am UTC (link)
Heh. Welcome to the club.

As of R4, I became a HUGE fan of BeOS. I still pretty much live in the #BeOS channel (now on Sorcery net). But as R5 slowly wound down with no hope of R6 in site, no OpenGL, no BONE, new hardware coming out daily that wasn't supported, there wasn't that much that could be done.

I'm a Windows guy for a living and its the last thing I wanted to see at home. Finally after moving to an apartment and not wanting to be trapped in a small bedroom on the PC, I purchased an iBook. I thought it was a toy I'd never use.

I suffered with OS9 for a while, it was usable but crash prone. Then OSX came out (Which I had been waiting for for months). It was a dream come true (though slow as hell on the iBooks 66Mhz bus). Finally I bought the bullet and bought a Titanium 400.

OSX 10.1 is the only OS other than BeOS that I truly ENJOY working with. Windows is just there, it doesn't offer any joy only compatability. Linux/Unix is like pulling teeth and a horrible appearance no matter how hard you try to dress it up. OSX is a beautful marriage of elegance and power.

Glad to hear you're enjoying it.....

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Re: Welcome, Convert
shacker
2001-10-22 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Truly ooly oooly -- I really don't get the BeOS -- Debian migration thing. BeOS -- OS X makes sense.

Mmmmm.... Titanium... ;)

I may have to quote you on some of the above at some point in the future. I'll ask first...

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Re: Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-10-22 02:12 pm UTC (link)
BeOS -- OSX makes perfect sense for me. You loose the virtually instantaneous user response that we're used to in BeOS. But you gain a richer environment with more standards available (OpenGL, Java) as well as the breadth of software out there for the userbase (Adobe, Macromedia, etc).

Yeah, OSX runs very well on the Titanium. The screen is....ugg. I can't describe it. For the most part, OSX on the Ti looks as if the screen is painted on the LCD. As if it were a still work of art until you click on something or move something around. It's just incredibly gorgeous.

There are still a few nagging issues, even with 10.1 But overall its an incredible OS. The 10.1 updater did a lot for it (DVD in 10.1 blows 9 out of the water and user response is much better).

I'm still stunned at the fact that with as avid of a gamer and PC user as I was 12 months ago, I now do 99% of my daily computing on the Titanium, even at work if I can help it :-)

What kind of box are you running OSX on? We're doing well at getting the #BeOS folks to convert. I smacked Epi around 'till he got his PowerBook, etc :)

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Re: Welcome, Convert
shacker
2001-10-22 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Painted on... like a tight sweater ;) Man, I've been drooling over those Cinema and Studio displays. Hurts that they're so danged expensive.

The box I got is a G4 867. Comes with 128MBs, but memory's so cheap I added another 512MBs for $65 (!). Which seems more than adequate for satisfactory performance (though it troubles me that OSX is so inefficient that it needs so many resources...)

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Re: Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-10-22 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the cinema display is awesome. I asked Kurt if you had one after he said you got the 867 and thankfully you didn't as I'd have to thump you and take it ;)

OSX is a tad resource intensive. On my Ti w/ 384 I've had NO trouble. I'm tempted to ditch the 128 it came with and just step up to 512MB. Now if I could convince myself to get the 48GB TravelStar it'd be heaven. 5400RPM on a laptop :)

The 867 should be more than satisfactory. I have a friend with an ATI in his box and he said the framerates in Q3 are spectacularly better in 10.1 than in OS9. Then again, it all depends on what you use it for.

So what 's your take on Apple's new appliance to be announced tomorrow? If it's...as rumored, to be a CD/DVD/mp3 and TV recording device, if it has AirPort I'm SO there. I'd love a Tivo but I hate to have to wire a phoneline to my livingroom. Equally, this thing is useless if I'd have to bolt my laptop down and plug into it. AirPort would be the way to go. At least give me a plug in option for it to put in the $99 card ;)

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Re: Welcome, Convert
shacker
2001-10-23 12:39 pm UTC (link)
A tad? When you compare what can be done under BeOS on a PII 350 / 64MBs to what a similarly stocked Mac could do with OSX, it's shocking. But hey, it's a price I'm prepared to pay for the user experience.

iPod looks like a pretty fine MP3 player. I'd like to have one. Not as earth shattering an announcement as some had expected though.

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Re: Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-10-23 01:15 pm UTC (link)
I agree on both counts :)

Yeah, the iPod is nice. Not what I expected, but still nice. It would definitely replace my Rio 600. I'm trying to convince myself I'm ever away from my laptop long enough to need a dedicated mp3 player. Sadly the answer is that I'm not. Its either on my desk at work or on my coffee table at home. I don't catch the bus or train to work, I'm not stuck in cars for extended periods, etc. Blah!

Well at least its metal AND plastic. If it were white plastic only, I'd just have to replcae my Ti with an iBook to match the iPod's chassis ;)

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Re: Welcome, Convert
shacker
2001-12-08 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Hey, would you mind if I quoted you from this post in an upcoming OS X article I'm writing for osnews.com?

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Re: Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-12-08 07:47 pm UTC (link)
Please do, feel free!

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Re: Welcome, Convert
balatro
2001-12-08 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Heh. I'm a dork and deleted the mail instead of replying. Sure. I have time. Send me a link at your leisure, Scott.

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Balatro and stuff
pres589
2001-10-23 01:26 pm UTC (link)
Ever wonder if Balatro is a paid Apple rep, sent out to drum up business, and get people all fired up over their products?

Something to ponder.

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Re: Balatro and stuff
shacker
2001-10-23 10:09 pm UTC (link)
There's no doubt in my mind ;)

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