regina phalange. ([info]sandboxx) wrote in [info]wranglers,
@ 2006-01-09 15:56:00
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first post, hah.
so yeah, the movie is wonderful. we all know and i am just as obsessed with the movie as the next straight seventeen year old female. no. really, haha.
but i saw an editorial on it today in lunch and thought maybe you guys would be interested.
from the Miami Herald

Why 'Brokeback' frightens some fans of movies
BY LEONARD PITTS JR.
lpitts@herald.com

I went to see Brokeback Mountain last week, mainly to prove to myself that I could.

This was after reading a New York Times piece by Larry David of Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm fame in which he wrote that, though he loves gay people and supports both gay marriage and gay divorce, he does not plan to see this critically praised movie about gay cowboys. David said he's discomfited by the idea of watching two men fall in love and fears it might make him gay by osmosis.

''Not,'' he added, ``that there's anything wrong with that.''

It strikes me that David's essay amounted to the smiley-face liberal version of what is being said more bluntly in conservative circles. 'Gay love story carries a high `ick' factor'' reads the headline of a story on the American Family Association website. It quotes a prediction that people will leave the theater vomiting.

How asinine, I think.

Yeah, says a little voice in my head, but if that's how you feel, why haven't you been to Brokeback Mountain? Well, I protest, right now I'm teaching in this tiny college town in the middle of nowhere. I'd have to drive 90 miles.

Good point, says the voice. But didn't you drive that far to see Good Night, and Good Luck? Now look, I say, and suddenly there's this wheedling tone to my voice, some of my best friends are gay. Heck, my own brother's gay. But you know, we are talking about a love story between two guys, and they might be kissing and, you know, touching and . . . stuff.

The little voice falls silent. It is a put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is silence.

A POWERFUL FILM

So I went to see Brokeback. And I can report that it was as shattering and powerful as advertised. People were moved. Nobody threw up.

Which brings me back to that ick factor. I find myself wondering if this primeval revulsion doesn't speak less to our antipathy toward homosexuality than to our fears about masculinity. I mean, while a movie about two women in love would surely be controversial, I doubt it would present the visceral threat Brokeback Mountain does for some of us. I doubt Larry David would be scared to see it.

Indeed, the idea of women who can't keep their hands off each other is a staple of so-called men's entertainment. Visit a magazine stand if you don't believe me.

The point being, when it's women, we -- meaning straight men -- tend to find it titillating, exotic, arousing in its very forbiddance. When it's men, we -- meaning straight men and women -- tend to react as if somebody dropped a snake in the bed. Small wonder the FBI reports that while 902 men were reported victims of sexual orientation hate crimes in 2004, ''only'' 212 women were.

A PERCEIVED THREAT

We seem prone to find male homosexuality the more clear and present danger, the more urgent betrayal of some fundamental . . . something. Some will say it's -- and I will finesse this for a general audience -- the nature of man-to-man sex that some of us find off-putting. I think it's more basic than that. I think gay men threaten our very conception of masculinity.

The amazing thing about Brokeback Mountain is its willingness to make that threat, directly and overtly. These are not cute gays, funny gays, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy gays. These are cowboys, and there is no figure in American lore more iconically male. Think Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, the Marlboro Man. The cowboy is our very embodiment of male virtues.

In offering us cowboys who are gay, then, Brokeback Mountain commits heresy, but it is knowing heresy, matter-of-fact heresy. Nor is it the sex (what little there is) that makes it heretical. Rather, it's the emotion, the fact that the movie dares you to deny these men their humanity. Or their love.

Ultimately, I think, that's what the Larry Davids among us sense. And why for them, Brokeback Mountain might be the most frightening movie ever made.




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interessstiiiiing....
[info]i_hate_pudding
2006-01-09 01:44 pm UTC (link)
thanks for posting....

;0)

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Re: interessstiiiiing....
[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 01:54 pm UTC (link)
no problem!
i saved the newspaper, haha.

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[info]ggirl
2006-01-09 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Very interesting. I love Larry David and was quite disappointed when I initially read his op/ed piece in the Ny Times. I admire his brilliant creativity and comic genius. I do not admire his unwillingness to open himself to this movie. A perfect example is that my father is a man very much like Larry David - a NYC Jew raised in the same exact time period..someone who was raised in a bigotted family environment. He threw the word "fag" and "fairy" around all the time when I was growing up.

Two days ago my mother called me to say that both she and my dad had seen Brokeback. I almost dropped the phone, I was so shocked. My dad emailed me twice that night to ask me some questions about the plot and to say it was the best film they'd seen in the past year, hands down. If a man like my dad - like Larry David - can see this movie and not be infected with the "gay germs", then I really think more people can open their minds too. I thought my dad was close-minded for a long time, but I have a newfound respect for him after knowing he saw Brokeback - and liked it.

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(Anonymous)
2006-01-09 04:18 pm UTC (link)
Don't be disappointed in Larry David. He's very supportive of gay causes. The facetious tone of his article seems to have been lost on some people. He was lampooning straight men and their fear of homosexuality.

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 04:34 pm UTC (link)
i thought his quote was kind of funny the first time i saw it, but i love larry david and seinfeld sort of comedy. i thought of his quote as something jerry would say.

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 04:31 pm UTC (link)
hahahahaha, "gay germs."
i'm really disappointed in the friends i have that say they don't want to see this movie because they're gay. it's so immature and naive.
my parents, on the other hand, would never see this movie. i haven't told them i've seen it. they wouldn't understand :/

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[info]angelicdisastr
2006-01-09 03:31 pm UTC (link)
That was definitely an interesting read.
Thanks for sharing :)

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 04:19 pm UTC (link)
no problem :D
as soon as i saw it, i thought of posting it in here, haha.

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[info]cerisaye
2006-01-09 04:20 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for posting this interesting piece.

Dontcha hate his assumption that straight women don't get turned on by m2m like he knows guys do by female/female action? He really has no idea why so many women have flocked to see this movie! To be serious though, it's not (at least not for me) about the sex (just as well for the one minute screentime) but that it's a beautiful love story.

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 04:33 pm UTC (link)
well, i did think it was really hot and, to be honest, that's the reason why i wanted to see it at first. i saw it the other two times because of how beautiful and intimate the movie was.
after reading the story, i want to see it again, but no one will go with me, haha.
my friends amazed i've gone three times as it is.

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[info]inthe_parlance
2006-01-09 06:19 pm UTC (link)
I really like Leonard Pitts and always read his columns. It also surprises me that he and other writers don't seem to be aware that so many straight women are incredibly turned on by this story, and man-loving' in general! Someone ought to write him and clue him in.

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-09 08:54 pm UTC (link)
i like his columns, too.
i've read a few and whenever i remember (i have the memory of a 90 year old), i look for his piece.

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[info]schizojuc
2006-01-10 01:51 am UTC (link)
Morons! If you fear becoming gay by watching a movie, you probably already are!

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[info]vj85
2006-01-10 06:23 am UTC (link)
Heh. Indeed. :)

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-10 04:31 pm UTC (link)
haha, i think it's immature, but whatever.

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[info]vj85
2006-01-10 06:22 am UTC (link)
An interesting article and an honest one. To tell the truth, I don't know what to think about all this. I'm a straight woman intending to see Brokeback Mountain ASAP. I have no particular *interest* in seeing two guys having sex, but I don't find it *threatening*, as this author seems to suggest I might by including straight women in his use of "we".

I've tried to imagine what Brokeback would be like if it involved two women instead (OK, so a lot would have to be changed, given its setting, but in a hypothetical situation...). Would I want to see it? Would I feel "threatened"? Would it have generated so much interest? After thinking about it, I think I would see it if (as I am with Brokeback) I could be sure it wasn't "all about the sex" and was an interesting and moving love story in its own right. I also have a sneaking suspicion that there wouldn't have been this "it is threatening the image of (insert culture/sector of society here)" reaction from a few quarters.

Apologies if this has been discussed before, but what do you people think about how Brokeback (or rather, a Brokeback-esque film) might have been received if it were about two women instead of two men?

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-10 04:31 pm UTC (link)
i think women are more accepting in general.
men have been taught that their feelings make them queer or expressing emotion makes them a fag, even during modern times.
thus, the fact that it's two normal, american, cowboys falling in love may lead men to think "could this happen to me? could i be gay?" and this has long been a taboo thought, even in today's queer eye for the straight guy society. just like larry david said. i don't blame him.
i guess i just don't understand how you can lump this movie into a "gay cowboy" movie when it was so little to do with that, really.

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[info]vj85
2006-01-10 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Fair enough. I suppose there's nothing stereotypically associated with gay women as "expressing emotions" may be stereotypically associated with gay men, so maybe there wouldn't be this feeling of "threat". I really do fail to understand what *personal* "threat" there could possibly be though; as someone pointed out above, if you're worried about a film making you gay, you probably already are! I don't think a film about gay women would have me questioning my sexuality. Maybe I'm naive, but it seems to me that there's just such a *hang-up* about it all - there's so much fuss about the sex, but the Brokeback story is really about the *love*.

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-10 07:06 pm UTC (link)
i agree with you on the fact that i don't see what would threaten my femininity. i really don't get it.

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[info]lilian_cho
2006-01-10 12:03 pm UTC (link)
Linked to this at my LJ ;-)
Thanks for pointing out the article. And that quote's just begging to be meta-ed X-D

"The point being, when it's men, we -- meaning straight women -- tend to find it titillating, exotic, arousing in its very forbiddance. We -- meaning Harry Potter fangirls -- also tend to react as if somebody dropped a snake in the bed. That is, lick our lips and think, Yum, Parselsmut."

--"Why fangirls frighten some fans of 'Harry Potter'" by [info]lilian_cho, The Veracious, Jan. 10, 2006

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-10 04:26 pm UTC (link)
hahahaha, that's so cool. i never thought people would enjoy this article so much :D

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[info]livingstrange
2006-01-10 03:12 pm UTC (link)
your icon makes me teary :(

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[info]sandboxx
2006-01-10 04:25 pm UTC (link)
yeah, seriously.
i can't even look at it or i can feel my eyes swelling up, but i think it's so beautiful!
well, namely jake, haha.

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