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Dec. 17th, 2004

  • 7:21 PM
[info]pragmatix
THE SGIRLS FAQ: ALPHA
(please offer your input: changes, edits, additions ... post comments here.)


---------- WHY WE'RE HERE:

So how exactly did all this come about?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/48602.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/678.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/39331.html

Why isn't suicidegirls around anymore at all?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/44124.html

How do girls end up in the archive? And why are some of these girls so mad at the site?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/tag/archived+girls

And why do members have so many problems with it?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/13605.html - [info]danx_in_tie's camgirl comment saga
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/11025.html & http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/11430.html - [info]rocketvsworld just asked a question
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/25250.html - pburry's uberzot
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/25429.html - sean calls ctresca an "anti-semite"
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/30133.html - [info]tomahto with another simple question
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/34822.html - [info]denkedran catches staff and girls making fun of the people who pay their bills
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/68544.html - [info]badluckcity points out that sometimes it's financial
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/88184.html - [info]electricxcherry/[info]killkillkawaii's article (long, but a very worthwhile read!)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/91475.html - [info]styggie's comments on business ethics
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/94414.html - [info]spikybluegirl's "silent but deadly" experience
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/123635.html - [info]slutbunwalla reflects

So .... should I model for them or not?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/24375.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/135882.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/155975.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/172760.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/196517.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/81635.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/93037.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/108442.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/121950.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/130314.html
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/62020.html - a little bit about some alternatives (much more at [info]altporn - check their community info page)

---------- COMMUNITY-SPECIFIC QUESTIONS & RULES:

If you guys are all about free speech, why does it say "deleted comment" here? And why is this entry missing?
Most deleted posts and/or comments in this community have been deleted by the person who posted it. This is strongly discouraged, but it has been known to happen and, as moderators, we can do nothing about this. We can't turn off deleting entirely.
Anything else that is missing has been deleted by the moderators due to one of the following reasons:
1) LJ ToS violation. We're here instead of at suicidegirls because of a violation of LJ's ToS, and we'll be damned if it happens again. This may include the deletion of spam. Do realize that this is LJ's policy, not ours, and as long as we're under their roof, we follow their rules. Yes, there is one person who has been banned from this community due to multiple violations that threatened our existence here.
2) Disabling comments on a post. This is a community that exists for the purpose of free discussion, and preventing that from happening is not exactly true to our cause. If we delete a legitimate post for this reason, which we have done, feel free to re-post it, but do not disable comments.

There used to be a ton of pictures in this community. Why did that change?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/47145.html

So does that mean I can post pictures, or not?
All photos posted in this community MUST be behind an LJ-cut. I don't give a shit if they're work-safe or not. All of them. No ifs, ands, or buts about any of it.

What is the Porn Liberation Front all about?
In late February and early March 2004, a whirlwind of changes to SG caused some rather furious activity in this community. Amidst the chaos, Dia and Anouck (and later, Kiscica) decided to release some old sets that they had taken with the intention of giving them to the site. The lost sets of the archive girls wound up posted here, opening up a can of worms ... that really went nowhere in the end.

---------- MISCELLANY

What the fuck is it with Sean and politics?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/25429.html - a massive Sean rant on "anti-Israel propaganda"
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/35645.html - because receivers of government money have no right to question that government
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/55944.html - IDF endorsement?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/46125.html - what about the rest of the staff?
http://suicidegirls.com/news/politics/1453/ - "Are we allowed to say [that] Arab culture is fucked up?"

Hey, I remember this being a big thing, but I can't find ...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/18107.html - The Storm Large article, Peaches, and Courtney Love
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/28344.html - Hey, this is porn! And these are the girls I like to toss off to best!
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/33696.html - Altporn competition and the "diner analogy"
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/37850.html - Where are the curvy girls?!
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/53415.html - Playboy! Sellouts! DRAMA!
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/56262.html - opinions on when SG went downhill
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/63416.html - does Daje fit the SG image?
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/79692.html - "Whores" and more!
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/84238.html - "You will NEVER date a Suicidegirl!"
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/86023.html - KIMMI. (This community's biggest argument ever - we hit LJDrama for this one.)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/94192.html - Yes, SG staff reads this group.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/100419.html - ah, those lovely "don't ask, don't tell" policies, they're sure to appease everyone ...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/102444.html - an interesting look at a possible financial scenario for the company
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/103155.html - Play nice, girls!
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/105286.html - the implementation of board moderators
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/106212.html - Contrary to popular (ignorant) belief, we're not entirely anti-SG.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/110659.html - a little game of "who's who" around here
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/128546.html - Mum's the word for this community on the SG boards; be forewarned, much of this post is not readily explainable if you weren't here for it.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/130027.html - Members suck! Oh, hi Nixion. I mean, Reagan.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/136469.html & http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/145154.html - Frenchie and the "hatespeech" double standard(?)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/147056.html - the great mystery and cult of Mary

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[info]uncle_pauly wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 12:55 am (UTC)
Hey! I make a cameo appearance! Yay!
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[info]thelasttear wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 01:14 am (UTC)
dude that fat thread really just got under my skin just now...
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[info]anathe_mary wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 01:38 am (UTC)
So much history, yet I wonder if anyone actually "listens". I would like to think so
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(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 18th, 2004 02:44 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]anathe_mary - Dec. 19th, 2004 02:30 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]nikolasco - Dec. 18th, 2004 06:24 am (UTC)
[info]hatefulerin wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 01:39 am (UTC)
Wow, posts from a year and a half ago when I actually gave a shit that I wasn't a naked internet girl anymore. Weird.
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[info]ladycake wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 01:57 am (UTC)
wow.
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[info]liquidghost wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 02:57 am (UTC)
I deleted my former post and decided to add some things to it before sticking it back up again. Let's try this one more time:

Noticing much of the in-fighting that went on between models, staff, members, and the like spurred me into finding out about most of this. Some things I wasn't aware of, however, but it didn't do much to dampen my opinion of most of the staff worse than anything else they've done already has. I look at the girls who are currently enjoying their time on the site and wonder with somber feelings just how long it'll take for them to fall under the axe of selfish, oppressive employers.

Some, I'm sure, have had great experiences and some haven't, but these who didn't were often burned for stupid enough reasons to possibly invoke at least a small sense of nervousness in the models, members, or even select staff who have, so far, gone untouched. I've determined that perhaps one of the only ways you wouldn't feel this is if you willingly turn your head away and close your eyes to all of the events that, despite the decent treatment you've gotten, have happened to other people.

They've seen it and had a chance to grasp it, but chose not to. I do not feel bad for them. Others maybe haven't seen it at all and remain ignorant of just what type of puerile iniquity lies behind the smile and pat on the head they're getting from their superiors. I pity them, because unlike the first group, they have no idea of what might lie ahead of them in the future.

Yet, I'm sure that many will eventually have more than enough time to experience just what it's like to be Dia, Kimmi, Nala, Hel, Anouck...
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[info]misfit_girl wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 06:33 am (UTC)
I just spent the last fourty-five minutes or so going over each of those posts and comments.

Thanks for the full history.
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[info]carlottadeville wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 08:14 am (UTC)
nice job!
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(no subject) - r_u_mental - Dec. 20th, 2004 08:35 pm (UTC)
[info]2enchilada wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 08:40 am (UTC)
The thread about Dajes set made me sad, and unfortunately made me lose a lot of respect for this community. But other than that, thanks for all that info. It was a refreshing read.
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(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 18th, 2004 08:52 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]2enchilada - Dec. 20th, 2004 10:02 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 20th, 2004 02:51 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - brainlesswonder - Dec. 21st, 2004 01:34 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]anathe_mary - Dec. 20th, 2004 05:37 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]2enchilada - Dec. 21st, 2004 05:48 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]anathe_mary - Dec. 21st, 2004 05:47 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sister_anne - Dec. 21st, 2004 06:46 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 21st, 2004 07:51 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]anathe_mary - Dec. 21st, 2004 08:14 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - brainlesswonder - Dec. 22nd, 2004 01:14 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sister_anne - Dec. 22nd, 2004 01:48 am (UTC)
(no subject) - brainlesswonder - Dec. 22nd, 2004 01:55 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]lisadarling - Dec. 18th, 2004 10:42 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]sister_anne - Dec. 20th, 2004 09:52 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]spillmyguts - Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:30 am (UTC)
ttdidwyd wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 01:27 pm (UTC)
Hey, some of those were back when I was still nice sometimes.

Good job on the FAQ. You might want to include the "why we care when girls are archived" and something about how SG.com deletes the threads that it doesn't like or that makes them look the worst. Beyond their shitty treatment of members and their farcical lipservice to punk rock and feminism, I think that's what made me hate the site the most. The site is all about misinformation and reality management.

I'm glad that SG is pretty much a joke these days.
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(no subject) - ttdidwyd - Dec. 18th, 2004 01:29 pm (UTC)
[info]xhelx wrote:
Dec. 18th, 2004 11:50 pm (UTC)
this was needed
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[info]sister_anne wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2004 04:46 am (UTC)
the only thing i worry about is that the posts that prove what a right-wing, zionistic, racist extremist sean is will be removed if we call more attention to the discussions that post the links [which has been done in the past].

so... everyone take your screenshots.
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[info]f_a_i_r_y wrote:
Dec. 19th, 2004 02:45 pm (UTC)
wow! this is amazing... thank you :)
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[info]bigby2k wrote:
Dec. 20th, 2004 06:58 am (UTC)
Thanks for posting this. :)

I'd suggest putting this into the community profile for newbies.
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(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 21st, 2004 06:28 am (UTC)
[info]sister_anne wrote:
Dec. 20th, 2004 09:52 am (UTC)
wow...so many memories...
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(no subject) - brainlesswonder - Dec. 20th, 2004 08:52 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - sgrelethed - Dec. 21st, 2004 03:46 am (UTC)
[info]sister_anne wrote:
Dec. 20th, 2004 10:04 pm (UTC)
i think if you're going to include kimmi's original lj-drama award-winning post, you should include her recent apology, too- in fairness to kimmi, AND to show that we were right all along when we warned her about sg. :P
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(no subject) - [info]streetdreams - Dec. 21st, 2004 12:01 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]pragmatix - Dec. 21st, 2004 06:28 am (UTC)
(no subject) - brainlesswonder - Dec. 21st, 2004 01:39 am (UTC)
[info]zebe wrote:
Dec. 21st, 2004 07:45 am (UTC)
excellent FAQ. I was wondering why I was suddenly getting new replies to my post from almost a year ago in this community.

I left due to drama, but maybe I'll come back? I dunno.
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silvathirteen wrote:
Dec. 21st, 2004 09:31 am (UTC)
add this to "how do girls end up in the archieve" section.
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sg_survivors/14992.html

i am ex-SG Silva.
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Re: add this to "how do girls end up in the archieve" section. - silvathirteen - Dec. 22nd, 2004 02:05 pm (UTC)
[info]aminamunster wrote:
Dec. 21st, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC)
I find it very odd that my name is ALWAYS brought up as being one of the bigger girls on the site. Regardless that I weighed 124 when I shot my first set, I weigh 115 now and I have a 25 inch waist. It is pretty sad that peoples perception of a plus size girl is a size 6.
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(no subject) - [info]uncle_pauly - Dec. 21st, 2004 11:37 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]zofia_szeretlek - Dec. 22nd, 2004 08:58 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]lisadarling - Dec. 22nd, 2004 11:05 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]lisadarling - Dec. 22nd, 2004 11:16 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]f_a_i_r_y - Aug. 31st, 2005 05:26 am (UTC)
[info]spillmyguts wrote:
Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:26 am (UTC)
LAFFO!!! man, i'm all up in those.....

good job, girlie.
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(no subject) - [info] - Feb. 7th, 2005 12:27 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]_sin_aesthetik - Feb. 7th, 2005 01:10 am (UTC)
[info]f_a_i_r_y wrote:
May. 23rd, 2005 06:29 am (UTC)
is the list of alll the archired girls in there sumwhere? im trying to find it but i cant?

it should be tho if its not... the list and why they left!
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mayalofgren wrote:
Jun. 3rd, 2005 04:46 pm (UTC)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/sgirls/88860.html - all about Maya (mayalofgren) ...
"Maya" is linked to anouck instead of to my SG profile in the archives...maybe that should be corrected??
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