Web Cowgirl 衛 思 維 ([info]webcowgirl) wrote in [info]seattle,
@ 2004-07-24 11:50:00
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Current mood: just warm, thank you

A public service announcement from an Arizonan
Okay, first of all, it's not that hot outside. This is not going to kill people like heat waves do in Chicago.

But I find I'm doing things to cool off. I'm reverting back to habits I learned in Arizona, where I frequently lived in houses without A/C and once lived in a house with A/C I could only afford to cool to 85 degrees. So I offer you the benefit of my years of living in infernal temperatures in the hopes that some of these things may prove of use today.

First, don't cook in the house today, absolutely no oven use and preferably no boiling water. I find myself eating yogurt and cottage cheese (a nice sandwich can be made with it mixed with curry powder, celery, and cashews ... try putting it in a pita with some lettuce and tomatoes), and drinking iced tea. Today's probably the one day this year you can easily make sun tea, so if you've got a pickle jar, go for it. They say caffeine is dehydrating but I don't think it's that bad, and the cold water going in sure feels good.

I'll assume you already have a fan or two to help circulate the air.

Second, try taking lots of quick showers (coldish ones) if you're feeling overheated. Do it with some clothes on to make the feeling last longer.

Third, if tonight you find you can't sleep, stand in the shower WITH A SHEET WRAPPED AROUND YOU and go back to bed with the wet sheet. The evaporation will keep you cool. I did this three or four times a night in Phoenix the week it got up to 122 degrees and the AC in my rental house died. And the sheet got COMPLETELY DRY in between shower visits.

Other options for keeping cool ... hang out some place with AC (the movies are good, the one that came out about surfing might help even more). For some reason I think drinks with mint are extra cooling - mint italian sodas come to mind. I'd break down and go to a corporate coffee shop if it meant I'd get A/C. The library might be a good place to visit ... surely the fancy new one has a cooling system. And, of course, those fancy Sound Transit busses are air conditioned. Metro will be a drag today.

Finally ... try going to Lake Washington (Denny Blaine beach is the best place, I think) and resting in the shade, sporadically taking a dip in the water. Bring food, drinks, and a good book. You'll remember this as one of the most pleasant days of the summer if you do.



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[info]tanukisuit
2004-07-24 12:05 pm UTC (link)
It's not really the heat that is so bad as much as it is the humidity. Sweat can't evaporate really well in the humidity, thus leaving the person really hot... whereas in a dry climate, when the sweat evaporates, the person cools off.

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[info]euphrasie
2004-07-24 12:07 pm UTC (link)
Humidity? HERE?

*blink*

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humidity - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-25 01:01 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]webcowgirl
2004-07-24 12:15 pm UTC (link)
The humidity right now is 40%, so the evaporation techniques should work well.

I think the breaking point is around 60 or 70. Watch out if the storm clouds start gathering ... then it will be hellish.

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[info]livingdeadpan
2004-07-24 12:56 pm UTC (link)

I grew up in Houston, so thankfully, this is more annoying to me than actually uncomfortable. I'm still not happy over it, though. I moved here because I like it 75/55 all summer long. :D

Anyway, it's the dewpoint (and by extension, the heat index) that matter regarding comfort in heat. We're at 55 (with 86 temp), wand 83 heat index, which is, like I say, annoying but manageable. Currently, in Houston, it's 91 with 72 dewpoint. Man, how I don't miss that.

Phoenix is 99 with 59 dewpoint, so yeah, no thanks. It and Houston have the exact same heat index (98). But the wet-sheets trick wouldn't work nearly as well in Houston, because the dew point is so much higher. You'd heat up the water in the sheets just as much as evaporating it, so you'd end up with a warm, wet blanket.

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[info]margotheangel
2004-07-24 01:07 pm UTC (link)
You read my mind!

I live in a pretty small studio, and I don't get any airflow through here (even with a fan), so I was wondering about some other good ways to stay cool.

My sheets are getting a shower tonight. =)

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[info]solemnbeauty
2004-07-24 01:10 pm UTC (link)
thanks a lot for the tips. i'll try using them with my boyfriend. (he's the worst big baby about heat)

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[info]romulusnr
2004-07-24 01:24 pm UTC (link)
Sorry, but most of your ideas about showering with clothes or a sheet on and overnight evaporation are wonderful ideas for Phoenix, but simply aren't going to work in Seattle.

Phoenix's average humidity is only 50% during the day, and a parching 25% at night.

Whereas Seattle's average humidity is more like 83% during the day, and 50% overnight at best.

Crazy drylanders...

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[info]romulusnr
2004-07-24 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Oh. And if you were to actually try that wet sheet thing in Seattle, it wouldn't be dry by the next morning. More like *mildewed*.

Sorry though. We just complain about the heat for about one week a year. The (dubiously) good news is that, for once, there's not likely to be a drop of our typical nagging rainfall during that one week, either. Unfortunately this is probably also the one week of the year that we *wouldn't* complain about the rain...

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still manageable
[info]webcowgirl
2004-07-24 02:10 pm UTC (link)
That's funny, according to your stats it's actually less humid in Seattle right now (it even went down to 29%) than it is in Phoenix. Boy, I'm glad I left. (I actually just went and checked the local forecast for Phoenix and it's 25% and 99 degrees, but I'm still glad I live here!)

Fortunately the averages aren't applying to us today!

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Nope. - [info]cpk, 2004-07-24 05:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Nope. - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-24 05:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Nope. - [info]cpk, 2004-07-24 05:38 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2004-07-24 06:17 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Nope. - [info]levenator, 2004-07-24 11:29 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Nope. - [info]cpk, 2004-07-25 12:42 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Nope. - [info]levenator, 2004-07-25 01:48 am UTC (Expand)
Measuring moisture amount with RH? bad idea - [info]adrinna, 2004-07-25 12:12 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Measuring moisture amount with RH? bad idea - [info]cpk, 2004-07-25 09:54 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Measuring moisture amount with RH? bad idea - [info]adrinna, 2004-07-26 04:53 am UTC (Expand)

[info]grouchychris
2004-07-24 02:41 pm UTC (link)
I just checked Weather Underground.

Seattle is at 90 F and 27% humidity.

Phoenix is at 100 F and 24% humidity.

So regardless of what the average humidity is, right now, Seattle's weather is farily Phoenix-like.

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[info]evaleastaristev
2004-07-24 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much for the tips. Last night I couldn't sleep because of the heat, and in this weather I am definately at risk of dying of heat stroke, literally. I will definately be using your tips, and staying in my nice "cool" house all day.

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[info]azila
2004-07-24 01:53 pm UTC (link)
AAAH, nice idea! Last night I had my fan going and I was squirting myself w/ cold water. It helped, but after about 1-2 minutes I'd have to squirt myself again and it got really annoying. I think I'll step into a cold shower in my PJ's then go straight to my bed w/o drying if it's gonna be as hot tonight as it was last night.

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[info]rivendellrose
2004-07-24 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Also, remember how moms always said that you lose a huge percentage of body heat from the top of your head and the bottoms of your feet? Take advantage of that! Make sure you keep your head cool, and I find that wetting my feet (as well as pulse points) and lounging in front of a fan does wonders.

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[info]rimrunner
2004-07-24 03:01 pm UTC (link)
There's an article in the Seattle Times today about adapting to the heat. Those of us who grew up in hotter climates are having a much easier time than native Northwesterners like my boyfriend, who's from Portland and has been very unhappy in this weather.

I'll add, as a D.C. native, that anything you can do to encourage cross breezes is good. Open windows, but close blinds of windows that get sun. If you have a chimney, open the flue.

One nice trick is washing with peppermint soap, such as Dr. Bronner. The peppermint will make you feel cool. (Don't do this if you're allergic, obviously.)

The relative lack of humidity here means that finding a shady spot can make you almost comfortable. On that note, drink water! The dry air means that you can be losing water through sweat without even realizing it.

I haven't had trouble sleeping, but I seriously considered sleeping outside on my back porch last night. Fortunately we finally got a little breeze around midnight to make the bedroom tolerable.

If you have pets, make sure they're getting enough water. My cat ADORES this heat, but he's also drinking quite a bit.

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That was a good article!
[info]webcowgirl
2004-07-24 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I just popped over to the Seattle Times (accidentally almost misspelled the "Sweattle Times," hee hee!) and had a look at that article, and it was pretty informative about what's going on.

"When the mercury climbs, a body that isn't used to high heat runs like a poorly tuned car. Sweat glands and other systems are suddenly forced to work harder to accomplish the same tasks — and they don't like it.

After a week or two of hot-weather exposure, sweat glands become more efficient and effective, said Dr. John O'Kane, sports-medicine professor and head physician for the UW Husky teams.

"You sweat more heavily and your sweat becomes more dilute, so you don't lose as much in terms of electrolytes," he said.

Heart rate also drops, and the body produces more plasma, effectively thinning the blood, O'Kane explained."

This of course was followed up with:

"Part of acclimation may be in the mind as well."

Which is pretty reflective of my attitude. You just learn to deal with it if you have to. And I'm fresh back from swimming, so I'm dealing with it pretty well!

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[info]ninaf
2004-07-24 03:47 pm UTC (link)
stfu.

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(no subject) - [info]ninaf, 2004-07-24 04:02 pm UTC (Expand)
not so much a/c - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-24 05:15 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]hollowman
2004-07-24 04:24 pm UTC (link)

Pleasant days of summer are what happens when the clouds come back.

This is not a pleasant day, Arizonian sun baked amdness aside.

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[info]gfrancie
2004-07-24 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Keep in mind the heat is relative. Especially as a native I find it quite uncomfortable.

It seems like people are trying to have a pissing contest about the weather.

"Yeah well one time I was living in Death Valley and it reached three hundred degrees and I had to walk five miles with no water and I died and was buried in a coffin with no air-conditioning so Seattle feels like the Artic."

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[info]mcfnord
2004-07-24 04:53 pm UTC (link)
I wanna say that I thought about the phrase "air conditioning" today and decided it's wierd. If you translate the words for the thing in any other language, do you ever get "air conditioning"? It sounds like an exercise plan for the air. Yet A/C is The Word. I don't get it.

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[info]cpk
2004-07-24 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Caffeine doesn't dehydrate you--you still benefit from the liquid in the tea. However, it is a diuretic, so you will have to drink more often.

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[info]normalgrrl
2004-07-24 05:19 pm UTC (link)
I lived in AZ most of my life, and left because of the extreme heat (well, one of the reasons I left.)

Today was bearable in some instances, unbearable in others.

I would never try that wet clothing/sheet thing here.
It sounds disgusting.

But I would say to stay in shade. (the temp drops there) and drink tons of water. Bring some with you and refill it throughout the day. If you drink water even when you are not thirsty, chances are you will feel much better in the late afternoon when that sun is beating down on you.

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[info]maggotdude
2004-07-24 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I've lived everywhere from North Carolina, the High Deserts of California and Japan. And have spent considerable time in parts of Arizona, Texas, Georgia and Illinois. The old saying that "it's not the heat, it's the humidity" is a lie. It's the freaking heat, people! It just sucks.

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[info]kitanaor
2004-07-24 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Despite the condescending "It's not that hot here", those were some good tips.

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Tough old bird me - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-24 07:06 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Tough old bird me - [info]kitanaor, 2004-07-25 10:05 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Tough old bird me - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-25 11:06 am UTC (Expand)

[info]crankygirlie
2004-07-24 07:48 pm UTC (link)
Way condescending - nice to hear YOU'RE not a native, but some of us were born here, not transplants.

As the big humidity debate above indicates, the humidity levels here are pretty varying and the night time weather behavior isn't as conducive to your wet-sheet treatment as it would be in Arizona. The humidity does tend to go up at night as the air cools down. Don't think I haven't tried it - I ended up warm and damp. Also, in my quest to cool down over the many varying Seattle summer nights (being a native, I may never acclimate in your apparently superior fashion, so the 90+ temps are always rough on me) I've tried ice cubes, which end up melting, which makes, surprise, wet puddles, which, surprise, don't actually evaporate completely. Again, warm and damp. And gross. And uncomfortable. Lucky for those who are reading your tips right now, the humidity levels are relatively low after this long heat spell. It's likely most of the moisture has risen and been burned off by the maintained temperatures. It's not a consistent fix, and you might want to add a caveat that this is only useful on low-humidity days. Our very low humidity is currently an exception to our average.

What DOES work mighty well is buying a freakin' MESS of those hold-and-cold first aid/sports packs of blue gel and piling them in the freezer. Cuddle one of those when you go to bed at night, holding it to your breast and/or your wrists, and you can very easily drop your temperature to something a bit more comfortable. It's like ice cube goodness, without the melty wetness.

Also, head and feet, if you can dunk em, do it. A wet head during the day can be good, and feet in a bucket of ice water is fabulous.

I do confess I take offense at the tone. Just because you spent apparently a great majority of your life in a high temperature area does not mean that WE are "wimps" because our bodies react differently to the heat. We spend most of our lives in a climate that can go eons without seeing the thermometer hit the upper 90's. We definitely spend the majority of our time in temperatures around 50-70f. When it hits 90+, this is a real shocker to our bodies. This is physiological, not psychological. There is a great aspect of psychological to it, sure, but it's not primarily psychological.

I, for one, have a particularly hard time with the heat, and it makes me very ill. I have gotten better over the years with treatment from my acupuncturist, but in the past, I've gotten really violently ill when it got to these temperatures and in situations such as that, there were times I really should have been hospitalized (but refused to do so because I am so doggammed stubborn). People like me, or people who have other health issues and sensitivities, and elderly people, could actually very well die in a heat wave like this. And even if they don't die, they could become very ill, which, if you ask me, while it's great to live, it sure as hell sucks to be so damn sick.

Right now, I'm doing okay because I spend most of my time in air conditioned buildings, but I'm still not feeling so great this week. If I did NOT have air conditioning in my apartment, I could be too sick to work, and I can't miss work right now for a lot of reasons. So, am I a wimp, or am I just a human with a body that has never had a chance to acclimate to recent temperatures?

It IS that hot outside. To us. And that's what matters.

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Relative Humidity - [info]adrinna, 2004-07-25 12:17 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Relative Humidity - [info]crankygirlie, 2004-07-25 12:36 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Relative Humidity - [info]webcowgirl, 2004-07-25 01:08 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Relative Humidity - [info]adrinna, 2004-07-25 01:26 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]lto
2004-07-24 07:55 pm UTC (link)
>I find myself eating yogurt and cottage cheese (a nice sandwich can be made with it mixed with curry >powder, celery, and cashews ... try putting it in a pita with some lettuce and tomatoes)

That sounds absolutely wonderful... could I get some vague idea of proportions with the yogurt (plain?), cottage cheese and curry powder?

When I was a kid in the midwest, we had air conditioning on doctor's orders, since I pass out from the heat fairly easily. I seem to cope just fine here without it though, probably because the humidity isn't as crazy high.

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