half Iago, half Fu Manchu, all bastard ([info]sotto_voice) wrote in [info]lower_tadfield,
@ 2005-08-26 16:14:00
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good omens film
I opened up my copy of Entertainment Weekly today, and there was a large story on The Brothers Grimm plus an interview with Terry Gilliam. This is the question that really caught my attention:

"EW: Before Grimm, you had been trying to put together a film based on Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's Good Omens, with Johnny Depp as a demon and Robin Williams as an angel.
TG: We raised $45 million outside of America; we needed only $15 million from America. I couldn't get 15 with Johnny and Robin. And then along came Pirates of the Caribbean... But at that point, these two guys who would have been brilliant were not worth $15 million in America. That was the moment where I went, I don't understand this game. I don't understand this town. I don't understand any of the rules--all I know is I don't like it."

First of all, I was very happy to see a reference to that, and second, am I the only person in the whole fandom who didn't know that there was going to be a movie, and that Johnny Depp and Robin Williams were attached as Crowley and Aziraphale? Holy shit.

Anyway, thought others might appreciate the mention as well. :)


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[info]parzi
2005-08-26 08:26 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's good to know that it was mentioned in EW. Yeah, I only found out about this after it seemed like the whole thing had died, but there is still a small little seed of hope in most our hearts. See this entry someone made yesterday (http://www.livejournal.com/community/lower_tadfield/342535.html) and read the links to Neil Gaiman's blog, and the very end of the link in Neil's blog to the interview with Gilliam. It seems Good Omens is still on his list of 'I might do this'.
Happy~ <3
And those two as Crowley and Aziraphale? It would be wonderful. So, so much. They're both so brilliant and comic in the way I adore.

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[info]stella_polaris
2005-08-26 08:27 pm UTC (link)
and second, am I the only person in the whole fandom who didn't know that there was going to be a movie, and that Johnny Depp and Robin Williams were attached as Crowley and Aziraphale?

That is entirely possible, but you shouldn't feel to bad about it :D

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[info]evilsimon
2005-08-26 08:29 pm UTC (link)
There was a discussion, but it was theoretical enough that I never caught that, either.

But I'm not surprised at Johnny Depp.

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(no subject) - [info]stella_polaris, 2005-08-26 08:59 pm UTC

[info]millefiori
2005-08-26 08:35 pm UTC (link)
I love the idea of Depp as Crowley, but Williams as Aziraphale makes my skin crawl. Seriously, I'm not sure I'd want to see the movie! I'm sure Robin Williams is a very nice man, but I simply can't stand to look at him or listen to him. Even when he's acting serious, all his mania, goofy voices, etc. which seem to be on *all* the time are burned in my brain, and that's so not Aziraphale.

Sorry. That's been bothering me ever since I heard about it and I just had to get it off my chest. :-/

(FWIW, my ideal casting of Aziraphale would be Stephen Fry.)

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[info]parzi
2005-08-26 08:45 pm UTC (link)
Haha, I suppose I can see how that would be a problem. I can't imagine how he would portray Aziraphale myself, but I've seen him play so many varied roles that I'm pretty sure he could do it, and well. So I wouldn't be worried if he ended up playing him.
But if one couldn't watch the movie without being reminded of big blue genies and Scottish nannies in drag... ^^; Ohgod. Yes, I can see your problem.

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[info]vulgarweed
2005-08-26 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think that's one of those rare roles where the writers ought to put their feet down and pull a Rowling: "Brits only." I don't care how good an actor's accent is, Aziraphale was English before England existed.

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Re: word. - [info]millefiori, 2005-08-26 10:50 pm UTC
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[info]shikzoid
2005-08-26 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh, yes! The silly grin he wore in Gormenghast would be perfect!

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[info]dreya_uberwald
2005-08-26 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Same here. Okay, he can do intelligent, and he can do gay, but I'm just not able to buy the idea of Williams as English enough and reserved enough to play Aziraphale. I don't really mind the idea of Crowley being played by an American, but Aziraphale's just too Englsih dammit.

Ditto also on Stephen Fry as ideal casting. While he doesn't particularly look like my mental picture of the character, it's so easy to picture him fitting the role perfectly.

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(no subject) - [info]rainbow_bright, 2005-08-27 02:09 am UTC

[info]lovessacrifice
2005-08-26 08:43 pm UTC (link)
I can't imagine Robin Williams as Aziraphale. Maybe for the best that it doesn't go through, though it might yet. I think he'd bring in.. too much blatant humour into it. But yeah, that's just me.

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[info]agent_mothman
2005-08-26 08:49 pm UTC (link)
*shoves thumbs into eyes at the thought of Robin Williams as Aziraphale*

AZIRAPHALE is not a jokester. Funny things happen to Aziraphale, but he does not make jokes. If Robin Williams played him, it'd be Jim-Carrey-as-Count-Olaf all over again. *shudder*

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[info]draggystack
2005-08-26 09:06 pm UTC (link)
All right. Johnny Depp I could possibly see, but Robin Williams? I'm sorry, no. I love a lot of his movies, but he's far too funny for this movie. He'd probably end up mocking himself half of the movie. While sometimes Aziraphale does things to make a mockery of himself, he doesn't do it on purpose...oh dear. Am I making sense?

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[info]aphrodeia
2005-08-26 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Ever since [info]hjbender's piece of art a few days ago, the only visual representation I have of Aziraphale is James Spader. For a British actor who I think would fit the role, David Thewlis is stuck in my mind. Won't go away. :D

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[info]julietveiled
2005-08-26 09:32 pm UTC (link)
The thought of Robin Williams as Aziraphale is getting enough guff here -- so am I the only one who thinks Johnny Depp would be a terrible choice for Crowley?

(Am I also the only teenage girl on this planet who doesn't think the world of Depp in general? XD)

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(no subject) - [info]agent_mothman, 2005-08-26 09:39 pm UTC
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[info]trulybloom
2005-08-26 09:48 pm UTC (link)
No! Please, please, please, I want Dom and Billy! I can't wrap my head around anyone else being in those roles.

To me, Crowley and Aziraphale are a team -- two people who have known each other forever, who play off each other because they know each other so very, very, very well. I think to cast two big actors who don't know each other, who aren't friends, who haven't worked together before, simply won't work as well as casting a tried-and-true team. The only other team I can think of, who play off each other as well as Billy and Dom are Fry and Laurie. But I still have to go with Billy and Dom!

Not that TG will get $15 mil out of America for Billy and Dom, or Fry and Laurie for that matter. But he's right, the rule for this movie stuff suck.

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[info]viridian_magpie
2005-08-26 10:35 pm UTC (link)
/First of all, I was very happy to see a reference to that, and second, am I the only person in the whole fandom who didn't know that there was going to be a movie, and that Johnny Depp and Robin Williams were attached as Crowley and Aziraphale?/
I knew about the film but nothing about who'd play Crowley and Aziraphael. (it it's any consolation to you).

as a random side note: at first, I read ROBBIE Williams. It kinda made my head spin since I can't picture that AT ALL. luckily it was just a mistake on my part but wouldn't that be horrifying if it were true? (nothing against robbie williams, I like his music but he would not make a good Aziraphael)

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[info]vulgarweed
2005-08-26 10:59 pm UTC (link)
What I've always wondered about this film's problem is, is the problem less the casting/budget and more perhaps that someone thinks that very irreverent religious satire might be a hard sell in the US?

Because it would be controversial, and probably more so now than when the book was first published. I mean, GO is very much the Antileftbehind, and look how many people eat that stuff up.

Just sayin'.

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[info]selenityshiroi
2005-08-26 11:09 pm UTC (link)
Whilst watching the England/Austrailia cricket test match today I wished that England bowler Matthew Hoggard was an actor, because it clicked that he would be my ideal Aziraphale.

Want some photos? Check out this page, the recent ones are where he has long hair.

http://www.yorkshireccc.com/gallery?cat=Matthew+Hoggard


He's not bad to look at but not exceptionally attractive, not fat (he is a sportsman after all) but well built due to muscle, has longish curly blonde hair...yeap, he would have made a perfect Aziraphale.

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(no subject) - [info]limegreen_sloth, 2005-08-27 02:44 am UTC

[info]hjbender
2005-08-26 11:38 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I think's it time we all take a step back for a moment and look at things from a broad, rational, and very pessimistic standpoint here before everyone gets carried away with who should play who. We need to focus on the subject as a whole and not just the casting details, and the following prattling may be a bit frightening for some of you.

I mean, so many actors, so little time. The perfect combination for Crowley & Aziraphale seems almost impossible to get, and I personally would rather have the whole "movie idea" remain dead and forgotten than to see it actually happen and miserably fail on the silverscreen. It would deliver a painful blow to the entire fandom, and the last thing we as fans need is for an ignorant multitude of people associating the entire GO fanbase with a crappy movie that couldn't hold a candle to the literary work it was based on. And trust me, it'll happen if the movie flops.

Sure, the movie might be great. The book was excellent, and has all the potential to be a kickass theatrical event.

But what if it isn't?

What would happen if the movie were a catastrophe? It's a very plausible reality that we all have to face, because bad movies DO happen to GOOD fandoms. We as fans can't put all our hope in the directors and producers to speak for us all, to listen to us, to get a second opinion.

Has Terry Gilliam ever made mention of how the GO book fans are reacting to this news, or asked the opinions of the authors on how they think the movie production should be conducted? I haven't, and I'm beginning to get the impression that Gilliam -meaning no disrespect- is simply in a hurry to get his name on the credits before anyone else has the opportunity (and the funding) to get to it. What's the big rush? Is this a race? Does he even care about doing it RIGHT, or just DOING IT no matter what, even at the risk of creating a big fat flop?

Opinion: Anyone who would consider Robin Williams for the part of Aziraphale NEEDS TO READ THE BOOK. If it's been done, then maybe IT NEEDS TO BE READ AGAIN.

When they were making the Lord of the Rings trilogy, that was ALL the production kept talking about: how to keep the movies sanct with the books, and how the old fans would react to seeing their beloved characters brought to life, etc. etc. ad infinitum. They [production] were very careful and concerned, right down to the smallest detail. Obviously GO is not going to receive that sort of painstaking attention to detail, being that the fandom itself isn't nearly as large as Tolkien's, and THAT should be enough to make you scratch your head and wonder if a GO movie really is a good idea.

To quote Ian Malcolm, "Your people were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they never stopped to think if they should."

One way or another, the fans are going to disagree. The idea of a GO movie sounds exciting and terrific, but can it be done without ruining the fandom? THAT is the question that must be asked.

And then there's the proverbial double-edged sword: if the movie flops, it will hurt the fandom and be a nightmare that will haunt us for years to come. If it succeeds beyond expectations, the wank will follow. Wank unlike any ever seen before mortal eyes.

Think of it. Imagine trying to be a sane, respectable bookfan in a sea of screeching, foaming 14 year-old Crowley fangirls, flooding The Pit of Voles with their leikomg wankcheesetastic fanfictions with demonic, yellow-eyed Mary Sues hitting "Azzy-kun" on the head with mallets and glomping the Flash Bastard to the point of asphyxiation.

Just imagine, for two seconds, what it would be like living in a fandom like that. And ask yourself if you really want to see a movie happen to GO.

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(no subject) - [info]quantum_witch, 2005-08-26 11:48 pm UTC
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Yup. - [info]vulgarweed, 2005-08-27 03:22 am UTC
Re: Yup. - [info]hjbender, 2005-08-27 03:57 am UTC

[info]ladysorka
2005-08-27 12:08 am UTC (link)
...Johnny Depp and Robin Williams?

Oh, uck. To both.

Thank you, but it would work best, most likely with a) British actors, b) character actors, and c) quite possibly stage actors. Actually, and d) unknowns.

Not that d would ever come to pass, but, hey. It's the truth.

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[info]limegreen_sloth
2005-08-27 02:44 am UTC (link)
YES

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(no subject) - [info]limegreen_sloth, 2005-08-27 02:44 am UTC

[info]runcible
2005-08-27 03:33 am UTC (link)
They should get Cillian Murphy for Crowley. He isn't as expensive as Johnny and he could probably do a demon better that Depp could. Plus, he's young and JD is not.

Plus ... no Depp fangirls!

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[info]sorchar
2005-08-27 04:16 am UTC (link)
I can see Depp as Crowley, but Williams as Aziraphale? That's truly wrong.

Thank god they can't afford Jim Carrey. They'd cast him as Crowley and I'd have to kill someone.

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[info]hoskie
2005-08-27 04:44 am UTC (link)
Depp? Okay. Whatever.

But Williams? *gags and dies*

It's going to be difficult enough effectivly translating from book to movie, but Robin Williams as Aziraphale?! That's like a death sentence. He's so unsuited for that roll...

I would weep.

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[info]trulybloom
2005-08-27 06:50 am UTC (link)
Okay, take a look at this and just tell me if this isn't Crowley and Aziraphale!

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[info]virgo_79
2005-08-27 08:32 pm UTC (link)
See, when I think of Robin Williams, the first word that comes to mind isn't "funny". It's "versatile". And the roles he's done that stand out for me are his performances in "The Birdcage" and "One Hour Photo." In the former, he was hysterical, but he was very much the straight man (well...so to speak, of course.) And in the latter...well, I guarantee you won't be laughing. He's also quite terrifying in "Insomnia" opposite Al Pacino.

He can do over-the-top humor, but he doesn't bring it to every role. He can do the funny, silly stuff, he can do the sweet and serious, but he can also do cold-blooded evil -- and for me, he sells them all. He becomes something completely different in every single film he does. If Aziraphale isn't written with slapstick (and I agree 100% that that sort of humor belongs nowhere near the character), then Williams won't play him that way. Physically, he's exactly what I would envision Aziraphale as.

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