Sh-ahh-let ([info]insabatu) wrote in [info]knitting,
@ 2005-05-29 04:17:00
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Can you copyright 'Stitch n' Bitch'?
Apparently somebody already has. It seems that via Cafepress that Brenda Janish of the Chicago Stitch n’ Bitch group has been sent a ‘cease-and-desist’ letter which states that the phrase ‘stitch n’ bitch’ is being used in violation of a copyright held by a New York City sewing lesson company called Sew Fast Sew Easy.

Apparently they registered this before Debbie Stroller (of Stitch n’ Bitch fame) filed for it and are claiming that they have only been made “recently aware” of the existence of the books. Apparently the New York City crafting community – or at least this store – lives under a rock, as I thought that the first wildly famous book was published in 2003, roughly two years ago.

I stumbled on this information at Poise.cc, and her original post can be found here. She posted the e-mail she received from Brenda Janish:


I received this notice today from CafePress. Apparently "Sew Fast Sew Easy" has claimed ownership of "Stitch and Bitch" and has reported our Cafepress shop as an infringement of their trademark.

I spoke to the person mentioned in this email, and as expected, he deferred to the legal department. Which I will not approach without acquiring a lawyer of my own.

The sense I got from him is this is just the tip of the iceberg. They were "recently made aware" of the books Debbie Stoller published, and I don't know that they are taking action, but it sounds like they intend to eradicate all uses of the term "Stitch and Bitch" that aren't theirs. Which will include any other items being sold by groups in other cities, and perhaps our use of the term altogether (the stitchnbitch.org domain may be next).

So... since this is not a money-making venture for me, and I really can't afford to hire a lawyer to fight this (or protect any other groups out there using the name), I'm putting out this call for anyone on the list who happens to be an intellectual property lawyer, who is sympathetic to the cause, and is willing to do a little legwork gratis. I know it's a lot to ask, but this is ridiculous, and I'd like to nip it in the bud.

Please contact me directly if you are interested or know of someone who might be.
Thanks.
-Brenda

Dear Ms. Janish,

Thank you for using CafePress.com!

In accordance with our Intellectual Property Rights Policy, Gregory Garvin, Marketing Manager for Sew Fast/Sew Easy, Inc. and Stitch and Bitch Cafe, provided us with a notice stating that your use of the StitchnBitch infringes upon their intellectual property rights (copyright/trademark). As you know CafePress.com is not in a position to evaluate the merits of an infringement claim made against you by a third party. In order to best protect ourselves from risk, we must take all allegations of infringement seriously and take action in removing the content from our site.

Penalties for copyright infringement can potentially reach $150,000 per work infringed and penalties for trademark counterfeiting can potentially reach $1,000,000 per trademark for each type of goods sold. An intellectual property rights owner may also have the right to recover the attorneys' fees that they incur in bringing an action against a person that infringes upon their intellectual property rights. Accordingly, we have set the content that is alleged to infringe the rights of the third party to "pending status" which disables said content from being displayed in your shop or purchased by the public. You may review the content set to pending status by logging into your CafePress.com account and clicking on the "Media Basket" link. The content set to pending status will be highlighted red.

If you believe that you hold the rights to the content alleged to infringe the rights of the third party, we encourage you to contact the alleged rights holder directly for a resolution to this matter. Below please find the contact information for the party alleging infringement.

Sew Fast/Sew Easy, Inc.
237 West 35th Street, Suite 603
New York, NY 10001
(T) 212-268-4321 (F) 212-268-4329 www.sewfastseweasy.com.

For additional information and FAQ's on Intellectual Property, please visit our Intellectual Property (Copyright/Trademark) Guidelines (this includes information on the Right of Publicity), Intellectual Property (Music & Electronic Media) Guidelines and Intellectual Property (Publishing) Guidelines.

We apologize for any inconvenience that our actions may cause you.
Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Lindsay Estes
Content Usage Associate


I’m no lawyer, but this seems ridiculous. I know I’ve heard of stories about how someone’s mother, grandmother or great-grandmother had Stitch n’ Bitch groups back in the day. A comment on Metafilter talks about someone’s grandmother having a 1940 college yearbook with a Stitch n’ Bitch club. Even if Sew Fast, Sew Easy holds the legal copyright, I think they’re foolish to enforce it. The term is commonly used in the knitting community and I believe that the negative backlash will be far more damaging than what pursuing the copyright would gain them.

This isn’t a knitting help request, but I thought that this community would be interested if this topic hadn’t already been discussed. If it’s deleted, no problem.



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[info]geekling
2005-05-29 10:10 am UTC (link)
You're confusing two concepts here.

Registered trademark and copyright. The regulations for registering a trademark is very much different from copyright regulations. You can register almost anything as a trademark - if it's not already registered.

Even things like names. McDonald for example. Whether or not it's in common use makes no difference for registering it as a trademark.

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[info]lanie_lou
2005-05-29 10:30 pm UTC (link)
Yes, but trademark infringement suits must prove that sufficent confusion can be caused by using a similar term. Furthermore, registered trademarks give you no power to prevent someone else from using it, just proving you used it first. If outside evidence can be gathered that this was not the first usage of a phrase (i.e. a yearbook from the 1940s) then the registration does nothing.

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[info]ladypixel
2005-05-29 10:25 am UTC (link)
Given that the "Sew Fast, Sew Easy" organization apparently does "knitting" classes in which they teach crochet (see their website for information - it's linked above), something tells me that they'll find it difficult at best to go after the term "Stitch and Bitch" in a knitter's setting. After all, they're teaching crochet and sewing. Has nothing to do with the usage for knitting.

Personally, I find it ironic that after all this argument, they still don't know what knitting is. But that's just me. :)

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[info]mmulberry
2005-05-29 04:53 pm UTC (link)
The thing is though, Stitch and Bitch isn't just a knitting thing. To me, it has always had more to do with quilting, where you are actually stitching. I know my mum, and her grandma both belonged to (different) Stich and Bitch groups that called themselves that, and they were purely quilting.

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[info]ladypixel
2005-05-29 10:44 am UTC (link)
One more interesting note: the exact thing registered as a trademark is "Stitch & Bitch Cafe". (In fact, it's trademark #2596818.) Not, interestingly enough, the terms "Stitch and Bitch", "Stitch n' Bitch", or even "Stitch & Bitch".

It may be that the Chicago group will have to give up the usage since they're published through Cafe Press - which means that it could theoretically read "Chicago Stitch & Bitch Cafe Press", a phrase which holds the trademarked phrase inside of two other words. However, if it's very slightly modified... it no longer is distinctly the same as the trademark, and therefore shouldn't be an issue. One hopes, anyhow.

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[info]petulant
2005-05-29 10:55 am UTC (link)
This has come up in this community before. If I'm remembering correctly, Sew Fast, Sew Easy doesn't have any kind of money-making thing that goes on with the term "stich n bitch" or "stitch n bitch cafe" - it's just the term they use for their online forum. That makes it even more shady. I could be wrong, though. I have an awful memory.

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[info]laughingrat
2005-05-29 02:26 pm UTC (link)
It'll never fly. Never. That's like trying to copyright a nine-patch (very old traditional quilt pattern) or something.

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[info]vandegraaff
2005-05-29 02:59 pm UTC (link)
I hate frivolous lawsuits. =(

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[info]knit_tea
2005-05-29 03:00 pm UTC (link)
Wonder how the NY stitch and bitchs feel. I wouldn't think it wise to annoy a bunch of knitters who might choose not to frequent one's store.

If Debbie Stoller wanted to go after these people though, I bet she'd have no problem. 2 best selling books with muliple groups named after it, versus some sewing store in NY that no one has ever heard of.

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[info]jadegirl
2005-05-29 05:28 pm UTC (link)
Most of us find it pretty ridiculous, same as we find the stores responses to feedback from the community (deleting messages on the website forum even when they are extraordinarily polite, etc., etc.)

One point, though- Sew Fast, Sew Easy is rather well-known in NYC craft circle, the woman who owns it published a modestly popular sewing book for beginners (I have it, it's pretty good) a few years back. However, like many local crafters, I won't be supporting her anymore.

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[info]libwitch
2005-05-30 12:05 am UTC (link)
They only really have grounds if they can prove that the fact another group exists with their names would cause reasonable confusion to the consumer. Which, INHO, seems unlikely. They also have to prove that they had a valid reason for NOT enforcing it before this point - copyright doesn't matter if the copyright owner doesn't make reasonable attempts to protect their copyright. It will be hard to claim that they have never heard of the snb books or groups until now....

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[info]eldil
2005-05-30 03:08 am UTC (link)
What's really silly is that they're targeting the Chicago group. A quick search on Cafe Press shows several other area stitch and bitch groups selling items. It strikes me as a personal issue, not a business one.

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[info]knit_tea
2005-05-30 08:07 pm UTC (link)
You know what I think is even funnier...their "Stitch and Bitch Cafe" is a open glorified guest book. How cheap is that. And how easy would it be for a bunch of activist knitters to spam it continually until the are forced to close membership and upgrade their technology. When you think about, they are really in a vulnerable place to start something.

Oh and they spelled knitting wrong...my bolding added.

"Add your comments to this Stitch n Bitch! But, PLEASE, DON'T ADD AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR YOUR OWN SITE (especially when it has NOTHING to do with sewing). We're here to talk about sewing, kntting, and creativity! THANK YOU."

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[info]basketcaselady
2005-05-30 08:29 pm UTC (link)
I think if this community as a whole supports the protection of copyrights then the community should also support the protection of the trademarks. The argument made above is that by enforcing her rights she is alienating other crafters makes as much sense as saying one can't make a copy of an old pattern published in 1940. If one's argument for the latter is that it's against the law, then the same argument applies to the former even so it seems silly to you. I know there will be some that disagree or don't see the similarities and that's ok too. :)

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[info]old_hedwig
2005-05-31 07:08 pm UTC (link)
If someone has registered a trademark than no one else can use that same phrase or name in a commercial setting. That's the law. It doesn't matter if "the 2 wouldn't be confused" - McDonalds has prevailed in court against people with the last name McDonald using that as a restaurant name, even when it was clearly not a fast food.

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