Jacqui Larson ([info]magdaleina) wrote in [info]deleterius,
@ 2005-03-15 19:24:00
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OT: It's Fan FICTION - A Quick Rant
(Mostly inspired by a response made in another thread. Rated PG for mild language. It's Offtopic because it doesn't refer to Mary Sues particularly. However, I guarantee that 90% of the sporkings in here got the below quote in response at one point in time. If it's too OT, feel free to delete.)

"What you need to realize is that this is fan FICTION. That means the writer can do whatever they want."

This is, by far, the most redundant and moronic excuse I have ever heard in defense of a story which was criticized for omitting certain canon details from a fanfic. First of all, the many writers of this excuse fail to realize that they are modifying the wrong part of the compound word. Fiction is fiction -- meaning it is about people and events that are not real. It was fiction when JK Rowling wrote it down, and it was fiction when Warner Bros. made it into a movie. It's still fiction, even when other writers are writing about it, and artists are drawing on it.

Fan fiction, or as spelled by others: fanfiction, fan-fiction, fanfic, ficcy, etc. Note that it has a cognative (I might be using the wrong word here). Fiction. Meaning that what the person is writing is not based on real life events, and nothing else. What those intimidated by criticism fail to realize is that they needn't remind anyone -- specifically not a fan of a book who actually read it -- that their work is fiction (because half the time, the reviewer would rather not believe the story was ever written, much less whether it's real or not). What a reviewer is actually questioning is the merit of the writer's fandom; whether or not they are a true fan.

Sure, you can claim to be a Draco fan. You can have seen and bought every film Tom Felton was ever in. You might have all the figurines, the posters, the desktop background, and even all the Harry Potter books and movies with his face pasted over Daniel Radcliffe's.

Doesn't mean you are a Draco fan.

Especially not if you're publishing fan fiction where for no reason he is in love with Hermione and dressing in Hot Topic clothing.

Why? Because it's not the character. You may like Tom Felton but you obviously know shit about Draco Malfoy.

You are not a fan. This is Fan Fiction. Do the things you supposedly love some ruddy justice. If you have to change the character you supposedly love in order to make them "fit" into your story, then you obviously don't "love" them as much as you think.

I repeat. You are not a fan. You're not showing your love. You're boggarting off of someone else's talent to promote your own original story -- which, face it, no one would read if you didn't slap names like Draco Malfoy and Hermione Granger on it.

Should you stop writing altogether? No. But you should be open to research and, most importanly, revision and improvement.

Try, for Merlin's sake!

I have written lots of fic, and I have made canon mistakes because I didn't know better, but I'm at least willing to improve and do drafts. It won't kill you.

Try.




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[info]sonetka
2005-03-16 12:43 am UTC (link)
If I may quote The Lyre of Orpheus: "Imagination is not uncontrolled fantasy."

Truer words were never written.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 12:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]crazythorn, 2005-03-16 12:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sue_hunting_duo, 2005-03-16 01:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]saturnial, 2005-03-30 04:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elendraug, 2006-03-05 05:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]honey_child, 2005-03-16 01:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]_vejitto_, 2005-03-16 02:32 pm UTC

[info]miss_padfoot
2005-03-16 12:44 am UTC (link)
Do we have a community FAQ? This definitely needs to be in it.

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[info]eternalei
2005-03-16 12:47 am UTC (link)
*wild applause*

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[info]flustered
2005-03-16 01:05 am UTC (link)
Wow, excellent rant/essay thingy.

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[info]vaguely_dirty
2005-03-16 01:27 am UTC (link)
I think you just put every single rant I've ever wanted to do into a short and coherent essay. Thank you!! *bows to your 'teh awesome-ness'*

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[info]notquiteestella
2005-03-16 01:32 am UTC (link)
All hail logic!

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[info]kittycatness
2005-03-16 02:02 am UTC (link)
Brilliant! Logic rules. Definitely.

You have just put all of my frustration and anger and sadness into a clear and coherent essay-type thing. Thank you muchly.

Lovely work. Truly lovely. -applauds-

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[info]bleuecommevous
2005-03-16 02:23 am UTC (link)
I think your icon is funny :) May I ask where you got it?

And yes, I agree with your argument. "What you need to realize is that this is fan FICTION. That means the writer can do whatever they want" is simply a very lame excuse for the laziness of the author.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 02:26 am UTC

[info]tryxkittie
2005-03-16 02:53 am UTC (link)
Beautifully said! If only Fanfiction.net and sites of the like would make every potential Suethor sit down and read it before they post anything. Not that there's any gaurantee that they'd listen but...

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 02:56 am UTC

[info]b2wm
2005-03-16 03:56 am UTC (link)
*Adds to applause*
I'd love to put this in my memories and direct snotty Suethors to read it, if it's cool with you.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 03:58 am UTC

[info]lukita
2005-03-16 04:53 am UTC (link)
Horray for logic, too bad most of those people who say 'it's fanfiction, I can do whatever I want' probably won't listen.

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(no subject) - [info]seoinage, 2005-03-16 05:24 am UTC

[info]just_curious
2005-03-16 05:31 am UTC (link)
Don't suppose you wanna put this in [info]lest_we_fanon?

So very well said. *Wonders why they had to get 'attractive' actors for the movies*

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 02:44 pm UTC

[info]cspinks
2005-03-16 08:15 am UTC (link)
I think I've had the same rant about seven times but never been able to put it into such good words.

I definitely think you should copy and paste this into a writing community. It makes us go 'Woot!' but it probably won't help the people who look here, because most of the people who look here either would never catch themselves saying 'But it's fan FICTION' or are just here to make a fuss and not really learn anything.

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[info]randomspectator
2005-03-16 09:03 am UTC (link)
Hurrah, I fangirl you. A lot.

Similarly to pretty much everyone else, this rant summarizes everything I've wanted to say but am not quite articulate enough to do.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-16 02:45 pm UTC

[info]maegwin_of_hern
2005-03-16 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! One could not possibly be any clearer on this subject :)

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(no subject) - [info]denial_girl, 2005-03-16 08:03 pm UTC

[info]land_over_water
2005-03-16 03:49 pm UTC (link)
Ah, that was refreshing. Hopefully this will lead some people to realize that Tom Felton =/= Draco Malfoy and that Dan Radcliffe =/= Harry Potter. If you have a crush on the guy, at least have a crush on the GUY, not The character he plays.

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(no subject) - [info]unperfectwolf, 2005-06-22 08:52 am UTC

[info]chocolatepot
2005-03-17 10:41 pm UTC (link)
I love you with the sweet internet love of sixty DSL modems, with the fiery passion of a million popups ads...

I always wonder, if you liked the fandom enough to write about it, why not write about it? And you answered it.

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semi-late response
[info]kyouten
2005-03-29 03:07 am UTC (link)
"What you need to realize is that this is fan FICTION. That means the writer can do whatever they want."

My response to that has always been, "Well, you can play Chicken on the railroad tracks and you can decide to take a nap on the freeway, just like you can decide to find a mass murderer and hand him/her a knife and ask him/her to attack you, but it doesn't mean you should."

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Re: semi-late response - [info]unperfectwolf, 2005-06-22 08:51 am UTC

[info]iapetusneume
2005-03-29 11:30 pm UTC (link)
You are not a fan. This is Fan</i> Fiction. Do the things you supposedly love some ruddy justice. If you have to change the character you supposedly </i>love in order to make them "fit" into your story, then you obviously don't "love" them as much as you think.

I just found this so I know my reply comes a little bit later than other people's, but I have to say I loved everything you said. I especially loved that line (*points above*) and have to remember that to tell to the own sueauthors in my other fandoms. Absolutely brilliant, and SO true.

Thank you for writing this. I'm going to put it in my memories.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-03-29 11:31 pm UTC
...mmm - [info]nina_angelix, 2005-06-17 08:16 pm UTC

[info]bethan_b_bad
2005-04-14 07:32 am UTC (link)
Beautiful. This goes straight in my memories. Did you know you've made the 'Community Info' page with this?

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-04-14 11:57 am UTC

[info]brumeux77
2005-04-14 01:39 pm UTC (link)
I've been lucky: I've run into virtually no Mary Sues. But plenty of characters that I've found OOC. Excellent summary of why that's a bad thing.

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(no subject) - [info]magdaleina, 2005-04-14 03:46 pm UTC
Random thoughts
[info]b2wm
2005-05-03 09:50 pm UTC (link)
One other thing I've noted from the type of author who is liable to understand the basic tenants of canon and yet refuses to change its stories: unfortunately, those who expect the audience to come to the author's conclusions without being presented with all the facts rarely listen to concrit. I think that's my biggest problem with the "fanFICTION!" argument. It's not so much the fact that they're raping the characters, it's that they don't set up the situation so that these personality changes make any bloody sense. As others have said, "fiction" does not equal "lack of internal logic." Yes, it might not follow our rules, but it follows some rules.

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Re: Random thoughts - [info]magdaleina, 2005-05-03 09:51 pm UTC

[info]binsybaby
2005-05-25 10:02 pm UTC (link)
OH MY GODDD YESSSSSSSS.

And all those reasons up there are also why I hated the third movie. Alfonso doesn't know jack diddly about the characters, he just tried to make them horny.

I LOVE YOU. YOU SAID EVERYTHING I ALWAYS MEANT TO SAY!

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(no subject) - [info]binsybaby, 2005-05-25 10:03 pm UTC

[info]unperfectwolf
2005-06-22 08:48 am UTC (link)
you'd think common sense and logic could prevail in a world dedicated to writing, but then again some people think alligators make good pets (or lions or tigers or bears oh my!). *smiles*

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[info]blueeyedsnidget
2005-08-23 12:36 pm UTC (link)
Definitely brilliant. Next time I post in my journal (just posted today, too. pfft.) I shall pimp this ^.^ Some people need to have some common sense smacked inside their silly, bubble-filled heads.

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