Kettetastic ([info]yakkette) wrote in [info]debate,
@ 2003-05-31 15:27:00
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I'm A Dragon!
I recently came upon an internet sub-culture I'd previously been unaware of.

"Otherkin" are a group of people who SERIOUSLY believe themselves to not be fully human, or even human at all. Either through reincarnation or some other mystical explanation, otherkin believe that their soul or their spirit- or even their physical form is that of either a mythical creature, such as a unicorn, fairy, mermaid, elf, dragon, griffin, vampire, or angel, or a real animal, such as a fox, a lion, a wolf, or a dolphin. There are even some who believe that they are aliens. Those that believe they are physically not human explain their human appearance by some sort of "glamour" or shapeshifting ability.


Many Otherkin feel that they are much older than their human years, and often believe they have special powers such as psychic ability, healing ability, empathic ability, and whatnot. Some feel they are "superior" to humans and complain about humans a lot. They refer to the process of realizing that they are not human as "Awakening" and many believe that they are more than ONE mystical creature, such as dragon/cat hybrids and whatnot. Many get very offended if their beliefs/abilities are questioned, and there's often a lot of dissent within the community, like when a fox otherkin might claim that the angel otherkin are full of shit, because they don't actually serve God or something.

Here's a few links that describe this phenomenon better:
Otherkin Abilities
Otherkin.net
You Might Be Otherkin If...
[info]otherkin


For debate: Although I do try to respect people's spiritual and religious beliefs, to put it bluntly, I think anyone who believes themselves to physically be a fairy/wolf hybrid is either self-delusional or quite possibly psychotic. Most of these people tend to share some traits- social ineptness, serious depression or other psychological problems, a love of fantasy/sci-fi novels and RPGs, and not feeling like they "fit in" in society. It's understandable that an overweight, pimply, 16 year-old nerd would want to escape into fantasy by daydreaming about life as a majestic winged dragon, but I think it negatively affects the person's life when they take the fantasy and act as if it's reality. It gives them an excuse to continue in their anti-social ways because now they feel they're "better" than the mean humans who teased them in high school. Instead of growing up and facing reality, they find online communities that become their only link to other people, and they all reinforce each other's delusions.

But does this vary from typical religious beliefs? Is considering yourself "otherkin" any less delusional than being a Wiccan? A Christian?

Side debate: Is it cruel and intolerant to mock these people, or is it good, clean, fun?




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[info]yakkette
2003-05-31 03:59 pm UTC (link)
For the record, if otherkin angels can claim to be the Metatron, this should mean that I can claim to be Trinity from The Matrix. Don't you know that the directors just stole their idea from my past life as a kick-ass, leather-clad babe? They tapped into my psychic subconcious and made it into a movie- they owe me royalties!

If you don't address me as Trinity from now on, I will accuse you of being intolerant towards my belief system.

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-02 02:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luwana, 2003-06-02 02:22 pm UTC
Therein lies the problem - [info]anonymous_army, 2003-06-03 07:12 pm UTC
Re: Therein lies the problem - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-04 01:56 am UTC
Re: Therein lies the problem - [info]anonymous_army, 2003-06-04 06:20 am UTC

[info]wik
2003-05-31 04:07 pm UTC (link)
They're delusional and creepy in the same way this guy is.

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 04:09 pm UTC
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[info]xaoswolf
2003-05-31 04:22 pm UTC (link)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!

Oh man...

Give me a minute...

OK, *snicker* I'm sure that these "people", hee hee, are practicing a religion that is just as valid as *giggle* Wicca...

Now, whether or not Wicca is delusional...

That's a whole nother story.

You find it frustrating you can't turn into wind, and end up running into doors as a result.

Oh shit...

LOLZATHONTERYAKI!!1!1!111!!!1

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 04:24 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]i_am_a_troll, 2003-05-31 04:39 pm UTC
I'm going to go stir my caldron until all contents are boiling - [info]tydestra, 2003-05-31 04:51 pm UTC
Re: I'm going to go stir my caldron until all contents are boiling - [info]i_am_a_troll, 2003-05-31 04:54 pm UTC
Re: I'm going to go stir my caldron until all contents are boiling - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 05:03 pm UTC
Re: I'm going to go stir my caldron until all contents are boiling - [info]i_am_a_troll, 2003-05-31 05:07 pm UTC
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Re: I'm going to go stir my caldron until all contents are boiling - [info]xaoswolf, 2003-05-31 05:01 pm UTC
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[info]artisdead
2003-05-31 04:23 pm UTC (link)
As a Christian I, unlike Wiccans and otherkin, do not believe anything which is observably false. And since we aren't allowed to burn them I think the fires of mockery will have to do for Wiccans and otherkin.

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(no subject) - [info]wik, 2003-05-31 04:27 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-01 11:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blorky, 2003-06-03 08:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lazerus, 2003-05-31 06:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]artisdead, 2003-05-31 06:48 pm UTC
Re: - [info]lazerus, 2003-06-01 08:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pervypervington, 2003-06-01 04:36 pm UTC
Re: - [info]lazerus, 2003-06-03 09:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]niekhilet, 2003-05-31 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gobblechops, 2003-06-01 12:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]niekhilet, 2003-06-01 11:28 am UTC
I am an Otherkin - [info]flotsam_sl, 2004-08-12 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]thrashercub, 2004-09-21 11:36 am UTC

[info]skaloop
2003-05-31 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Weird. My favourites are the girl who thinks she's a hippocampus (?!?!?!) and the other one who thinks he's electricity. His explanation (he likes thunderstorms, and get sleepy during power outages) are nice, but I betcha most people get tired during power outages, because it gets DARK!

To me, it is just as delusional as any other spiritual belief.

As for the side debate, mocking them is cruel and intolerant fun. The best of both worlds!

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[info]mugrug
2003-05-31 04:33 pm UTC (link)
One of my friends is involved in this sort of thing. Though he just likes to create ater-egos and doesn't actually believe himself to be a dragon. It's much the same as any other roleplay.
That said there are others on groups such as #alfandria (IRC) who believe it to be true. I say they're crackpots, but friendly crackpots.

With my friend it seems to be more of a "scaley" obsession than anything else. This is like "furry fetishes." Or becoming aroused by amphropomorphic creatures/people in suits... or even plush toys. There's a lot of stuff on the net, if you care to look. It's... interesting. To say the least.

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(no subject) - [info]wik, 2003-05-31 04:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 04:39 pm UTC
Re: - [info]mugrug, 2003-05-31 05:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]youngvanwinkle, 2003-06-01 04:53 pm UTC

[info]mlfoley
2003-05-31 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Wow, you just discovered the otherkin? Where have you been? ;)

Otherkin sites tend to pop up fairly reguarly on the Portal of Evil, I site I check damn near daily. I think people who are otherkin are kind of deluded, but I fail to see how it is necessarily psychotic, let alone comparable to Christianity or Wicca (since, to disprove those, you'd have to disprove the existance of God, Goddess, Christ, etc..., spirituality, etc, etc... which is pretty impossible).

Disproving "otherkin" is pretty easy. Since someone does not physically look like a dragon (which they are suggesting they are) they can't be otherkin. It's sad, and deluded and pathetic, sure. But harmful? Only to the believer, I'd say, and if it gives him/her meaning, then by all means, go for it. Who am I to deprive someone of something that gives their lives meaning?

As far as making fun of it... I don't do it to their faces, but Portal of Evil is pretty much dedicated to making fun of people (furries, ICP fans, otherkin, people with bizzare fetishes, etc).

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 06:05 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-01 11:19 pm UTC
It lodges it's boot firmly in it's trap.. - [info]anatexis, 2003-06-01 04:11 pm UTC

[info]maybesomeone
2003-05-31 05:52 pm UTC (link)
As long as they are not hurting or bothering themselves or someone else, let them do whatever it is that they want to do... Sometimes the most delusional people are the happiest!

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-05-31 06:02 pm UTC

[info]artisdead
2003-05-31 06:51 pm UTC (link)
And if my remarks did not make it clear, I have exactly zero patience with belief systems I find stupid and dangerous. So mocking the otherkin is not only good clean fun, but it is our duty.

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(no subject) - [info]tydestra, 2003-05-31 07:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]artisdead, 2003-06-01 03:23 am UTC
Lurking: good and good for you... - [info]mister_pixley, 2003-06-05 06:10 pm UTC
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[info]hollowman
2003-05-31 07:20 pm UTC (link)

It's stupid. There was a great MP3 rant going around awhile back about some guy who thought he was a dragon.

Wicca isn't so much a delusion as a good laugh.

Christianity is far more serious, and thus more dangerous.

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(no subject) - [info]anatexis, 2003-06-01 05:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hollowman, 2003-06-01 06:01 pm UTC
Class wasn't my forte.. - [info]anatexis, 2003-06-01 07:49 pm UTC
Re: Class wasn't my forte.. - [info]hollowman, 2003-06-02 11:30 am UTC

[info]christiana
2003-05-31 10:14 pm UTC (link)
What a sexy user icon. *snickers*

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(no subject) - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-01 11:21 pm UTC

[info]tyler1968
2003-05-31 11:54 pm UTC (link)
All religion is superstitious nonsense, so all religions are ripe for mockery.

Especially Catholicism.

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(no subject) - [info]anatexis, 2003-06-01 05:47 pm UTC
Re: - [info]tyler1968, 2003-06-01 11:01 pm UTC

[info]janusdoa
2003-06-01 12:03 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah. Like Furries, except more dangerously psychotic.

People like that should be, therefore, treated as non-human and exterminated like the abominations they believe themselves to be.

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I hope you're just kidding - [info]kinkyturtle, 2003-06-03 12:09 am UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-03 03:39 am UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]kinkyturtle, 2003-06-03 03:39 pm UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-04 02:02 am UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]kinkyturtle, 2003-06-04 02:33 am UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]yakkette, 2003-06-04 01:50 pm UTC
Re: I hope you're just kidding - [info]janusdoa, 2003-06-03 06:31 pm UTC