kim ([info]soclosetostars) wrote in [info]craftgrrl,
@ 2004-08-15 21:01:00
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question... those marilyn monroe bags
anyone here been to a mall lately, and have seen those really cool bags with marilyn monroe on them, or audrey hepburn? my question is, how did they get their faces on the fabric? i can only think of using iron transfers, will this work? any other ideas? thanks in advance! http://www.firstbestplace.com/noname206.html


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[info]flyandromance
2004-08-15 06:25 pm UTC (link)
It must be silkscreened on then.

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[info]starweaver
2004-08-15 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Large companies can actually get fabric printed on in large quanitites - I've done it for scenics for shows I've worked on. Companies can buy large bolts of fabric and have them manufactured with whatever design that they want on them.

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[info]soclosetostars
2004-08-15 07:13 pm UTC (link)
i didnt know that. but it does make sense.

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[info]starweaver
2004-08-15 07:15 pm UTC (link)
If you're interested in just making something for yourself, I would check out colortextiles.com - they sell sheets and rolls of pre treated fabrics that allow you to print with your inkjet directly onto fabric. I've used it once or twice with pretty good results!

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[info]refuse2bdefined
2004-08-15 08:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm glad this question was posted. I have often wondered the same thing myself. It's good to hear that someone has had success using the fabric that can go through an inkjet. I had contemplated buying it, but didn't know how it would turn out. Thanks!

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[info]soclosetostars
2004-08-15 08:21 pm UTC (link)
thanks so much!

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[info]lilitha
2004-08-15 09:53 pm UTC (link)
I actually saw a girl who made an audrey hepburn purse herself using an iron on and it turned out beautifully... too bad I didn't save it to my memories >.<

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There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]harpygirl
2004-08-15 10:25 pm UTC (link)
You can silk screen yourself. Matter of fact, a woman here in Toronto sells a DVD teaching people how to do it at home. She has a store that gives classes and sells her amazing fabrics sewn into her amazing designs...

She will also make the screen for you (the hard part) for $79 CAD... she will do custom designs (fabric, clothing, or both)... Amazing stuff!

http://www.peachberserk.com/

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Re: There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]crafty_dame
2004-08-16 12:02 am UTC (link)
that's a really neat site! hmm. inspiration! however, making a silkscreen really isn't that hard, just kinda time consuming. you should try it yourself before you pay someone to do it!

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Re: There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]harpygirl
2004-08-16 12:27 am UTC (link)
Agreed. I find it very very easy but I know several people who are either "patience-impaired" in the cutting stages or just don't do well with fine hand detail who would love having it done for them, so I threw that in.

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Re: There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]crafty_dame
2004-08-16 11:40 am UTC (link)
hmm? cutting stages? fine hand detail? are you talking about stenciling? or the screenprinting done with a kind of sticker over the screen? i screenprint using photographic emulsion, and it's much easier and faster than that technique. also, because of a back injury, i can't do that kind of work (the cutting very intricate stuff), so i find the emulsion technique way easier.i'd be curious to know what technique you use, because i've never "met" anyone who does the sticker technique. how well does it work? how reusable is it?

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Re: There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]harpygirl
2004-08-16 11:56 am UTC (link)
Basically... It's finicky, and not very. ;)

I want to try the photographic emulsion method. Is there a good reference book or URL you can recommend to me? Would it involve much by way of buying more materials (because that's a consideration)?

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Re: There's this reaallllly amazing store called Peach Berserk
[info]crafty_dame
2004-08-16 01:36 pm UTC (link)
i think it would be pricier, but because none of the other techniques are options for me, i don't think it's that bad.

you need to buy the emulsion, you can get a little kit of a smallish bottle of emulsion, and a smallish bottle or screen cleaner for about $20. it goes really far, but it only lasts for about 4 months (in the fridge), so it's a good idea to either have a bunch of screen ideas, or to get together with friends to do a bunch of screens. it's made by speedball and available at art supply stores. you can also cover a bunch of screens, then store them in a light-tight space for up to 8 months i think?

i make my own screens, which is much cheaper than buying them. so i buy stretcher bars in the size i want, screen fabric (about $10 a FOOT! but i can get 5 screens out of the width of it), and then i staple it on, using the same technique as when you're upholstering. staple one side, stretch it over, staple the other. so if you don't have one, you'll need to buy a staple gun. they cost about $20.

then you have to coat the screen with emulsion, on both sides. then you leave it over night, and then the next day you develop it. for the image, you need a sharp black and white line image. take it to kinkos and have it photocopied onto a sheet of overhead projector plastic. i ALWAYS use two photocopies taped together, because the image is darker that way. you need the image to be really dark. so that costs about $3.

then you need a lamp. there are lots of diferent styles of lamps that people use, with a special reflective shade, but they are kinda pricey. i use a halogen spotlight lamp from revy that was about $10, it works just as well if not better! it's something like this - http://www.rona.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?nodeId=ALLDEPT&catalogId=10051&storeId=10001&langId=-1&selectItemId=&parent_category_rn=0&categoryId=0&catentryList=&productId=50858

so then you shine the light on the screen with the image laid on it, the amount of time depends on how far the screen is from the lamp, and how big the screen is. there's a little pamphlet that comes with the emulsion that tells you how long to do it.

then you lift up the image, and you should be able to see a lighter line where the image was. wash it out in the bathtub, and the lighter parts should wash out entirely. if the entire screen starts to wash off, you didn't leave the light on long enough, and that sucks!

after it dries, you can silkscreen! i use speedball fabric screenprinting ink. the squeegees are insanely expensive, so i use these plastic things i got from home depot that are designed to be used when dry walling. i got a set of four different sizes for about $7, they work great. i can't find a picture of the set i got, but it's just a set of four of these in varying widths - http://www.rona.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?nodeId=ALLDEPT&catalogId=10051&storeId=10001&langId=-1&selectItemId=34237&parent_category_rn=0&categoryId=0&catentryList=&productId=34688

does that all make sense? it's kind of expensive, for the start up stuff. but once you have that, i think it would be about the same as the technique you use. you might be able to borrow some stuff, like th e staple gun and the lamp, i borrowed my dad's when i first started.

any questions, feel free to ask.

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Wow detail! Thank you!!!
[info]harpygirl
2004-08-16 02:24 pm UTC (link)
This sounds really good actually. Costs sound not bad for when I can get together with friends (good suggestion, thank you for that). Would you say that the detail is sharp?

How durable are the finished screens (is it easy to damage them)? How often can you reuse?

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Re: Wow detail! Thank you!!!
[info]crafty_dame
2004-08-16 03:30 pm UTC (link)
the detail is really good, as long as you've stretched the screen tight enough. you basically have to have staples all the way around, side by side, with no spaces! otherwise the screen buckles a bit, and you get blotches. but i think the detail is way better than when you need to cut out the pattern, because you don't have to worry about "islands" or anything.

i'd say they're pretty durable. you won't be able to get the design off unless you actually want to to, by using the remover, but i never have, so i can't tell you about it. but you won't accidentally take it off. it is fabric stretched taut, so i'd be careful of anything sharp poking it, but they're pretty durable.

as for reusing, i've never used my screen for more than one silk screen. sometimes i put several designs on a large screen, and tape them off when silkscreening, because it's cheaper and i find the larger screens easier to deal with than multiple small screens, but i've never reused the screen by removing all the emulsion and starting over. i do know that the poly fabric works MUCH better for this than the silk (as well as being waaay cheaper). actually, i find the poly works better in general, i will never use the silk again.

if you just mean doing the same design again later, i've had no problems with that, as long as you wash all the ink out of your screen every time you do it.

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Re: Wow detail! Thank you!!!
[info]harpygirl
2004-08-16 11:09 pm UTC (link)
Yay! Thanks for all your helpful info. :)

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Re: on making your own screens
[info]veverde
2006-05-01 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I just went ahead and went to the store and bought 12, 14, and 16 inch pairs of stretcher bars. I'm looking to burn an image that is 9x6. I read everywhere that you need to have a good amount of space between the edges of your images and the bars, but the space varies.

I read someone say four inches all around, another say 1 inch on sides and half inch on bottom, but I don't even really understand why you'd need a whole four to six inches. could you explain that to me and what size it is you'd use. I'd find it easier to align if it were smaller, I would think. which brings me to the other question of: how do you align your stuff?

THANK YOU ;D

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Re: on making your own screens
[info]little_ms_me
2006-05-02 01:49 am UTC (link)
i think mine all have about 3 or 4 inches. i personally much prefer using big screens, i'll burn several images onto the same screen and tape off the ones i'm not using. i just find them less finicky to deal with. i align mine with pieces of masking tape on the table i screenprint on, lining up the corner of the screen with pieces of tape. i want to set up a hinged clamp system, but i've been too lazy.

you do need to have a decent amount of space because you're going to start your ink at one end and pull it over the screen, then start from that end and go back. you want to be able to have that extra ink sitting on a blank part of the screen, or else the parts of the image that are beneath the ink will be too heavy and might smudge. and, i find that the screens with the image too close to the edge are much harder to get the ink out of.

another nice thing about a bigger screen is that you don't have to worry about your squeegee (or whatever you use) fitting inside. i have that problem with a few of my little screens. i don't like to use a squeegee that's smaller than the image, because the ink isn't consistant, but my other squeegees don't fit!

i think the stretcher bars you bought will be fine. my biggest screen is 16 or 18 inches around, and my smallest is 8 or 10.

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[info]hell0mrzebra
2004-08-16 05:58 pm UTC (link)
there is fabric you can get that you can print on.
my boyfriend's mom bought some from walmart a couple of years ago and made little stuffed things for a family tree, with everyone's photo on it.

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