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Aug. 7th, 2006 @ 11:21 pm Conflicts, Relationships, and Types of People
Current Mood: contemplative
I recently had a few insights about conflicts within relationships and how people resolve conflicts.  I'd like feedback and commentary on the insights.  I originally posted the idea in my own LJ, and got positive feedback for it.  I'm posting it here to see what other insights people can derive from this, or if they think the basic idea needs some tweaking.

Thanks.


Last year, [info]dawnd and [info]akienm introduced this diagram to me:



The premise behind the diagram is that when two people resolve a conflict, they can resolve it in such way that one or both of them loses.  If partners repeatedly choose win-lose options, the overall relationship loses.  One side repeatedly "wins", but eventually, the other person will resent having to give in, or give up to maintain the peace.  Over the long term, a series of win-lose decisions will poison the relationship.  A likely outcome is that the losing side will opt out of the relationship.

The only outcome in which the overall relationship wins is when both partners find a win-win solution.


Sometimes, there is no win-win solution, and the people have to recognize that.  This might be okay for the short-term, but ideally, the participants will be aware enough to keep the negative effects just a short-term influence.




I thought this was a great insight, and would apply to (all?) relationships.  Now, I don't think it applies to all.  I know of several relationships that have lasted multiple decades despite the fact that one person is clearly emotionally dominant, and the other clearly submits continuously.  Yet, both sides seem content with the status quo, and so the relationship seems stable despite the assymetry.  I suspect one side decided that maintaining the peace by giving in was better than alternative options - such as leaving.  Or perhaps one side naturally wants the other to take the lead.



Back in July, I attended a conflict resolution workshop in Berkeley.   At the workshop, I saw a diagram similar to this one.  It had the parts "High Concern For Self" and "Low Concern For Self", but was not structured as a 2x2 matrix.   Right after the workshop, I had this insight.  I took the basic concepts from that diagram, and by reorganizing the diagram into this 2x2 matrix, I suddenly saw that there were 4 types of people.  I followed that line of thinking and gained insight into whether people will seek win-win solutions when resolving conflicts or will settle for win-lose options.




The premise here is that some people have a higher concern for themselves than others.  They want to create outcomes that improve their lives.  Some people have a lower concern for themselves, they are willing to put up with situations that are not highly beneficial to themselves.  Also, some people have a high concern for others - they want to see others succeed, and are concerned about the well-being of others.  Lastly, there are those without much concern for others.


Type 1 people are reckless - they engage in self-destructive behavior.  They act with little regard for how their behaviors affect others.  This is the realm of alcoholics and people with drug addictions.  It is also where we find those with severe personality disorders.  And beware of suicide-bombers - they surely have little concern for your well-being.  Relationships with Type 1 people are bound to be lose-lose.  They create conflicts where none need occur.  A day with them is filled with drama, and few emotional rewards.  Although many Type 1's may not want lose-lose options, their actions and choices often bring about a net loss.   A lot of people in this quadrant are redeemable, but it requires much effort and willingness on their part.  My nickname for them is "Reckless".


Type 2 people will do what they can to make others happy, but at what cost to themselves?  They might be emotionally submissive, or trained to put other's needs before their own.  These people avoid conflict, give in to keep the peace, and then pretend that conflict doesn't happen. They would also be okay with win-win options, as long as that is okay with their partner.  If you pair them up with a Type-1, then they start saying, "I can be codependent if you want me to be."  If they partner-up with a Type 3, then they'll give in almost every time to avoid a conflict.  I refer to Type 2's as "Doormats".


Type 3 people are looking out for number 1.  They don't care about others - except where they can use others to further their own agenda.  Such people may be superficially charming and act as if they will act in your best interests.  Yet, when the time has come, they won't hesitate to stab you in the back.  Worse yet, they smile while stabbing you.  Although they don't need conflict, they also have no qualms about creating conflict, if they can use the conflict to stay on top.  Their policy is "Somebody is going to win this arguement, and it had better be me."  Type 3's don't mind using Type 1's, but they will eventually learn that interactions with Type 1's are lose-lose, rather than the win-lose options they seek.  I suspect they prefer the company of Type 2's who are willing to put up with win-lose options.  I call them the "Autocrats".


Type 4's want to see everyone at their best.  From my experience, they surround themselves with good friends who support one another.  It is also my observation that they are the happiest people I meet.  They don't make conflicts unnecessarily, but don't avoid them when conflicts occur.  As conflicts unfold, they strive to find a solution that works for everyone.  Or at least a solution that everyone is comfortable with. Conflicts are resolved quickly and with minimal hurt feelings.  Although they will not want to create conflicts, they can use conflicts to better understand the motives and values of others.  Type 4's will not want anything less than win-win options, or at least win-neutral.  I see them as "Keen".

I suspect that Type 4's will not want to form relationships with anybody except other Type 4's.  They will see Type 1's as conflict prone and that interactions with them will tend towards a net loss for everyone.  Type 4's can see interactions with Type 2's as assymmetric - they have to carry the Type 2's.  Type 4's have to make the effort to look out for both themselves and the Type 2's, while the Type 2's are not looking out for both participants.  Lastly, the Type 4's will strongly avoid Type 3's simply because the Type 4's high concern for themselves implies they will not allow others to take advantage of them.


I got another bit of wisdom from that workshop.  It is far easier to focus on win-lose options than to find a win-win solution when one is only concerned about one's own needs and wants.  Finding a win-win solution is harder, but worth the effort.

P.S. - I had better clarify early that I am not talking about D/s relationships or intentional power-play.  Please don't interpret the Type 2's and Type 3's as submissives or Dominants.  The focus is entirely on conflict resolution within relationships.

Cross-posted to polyamory.
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[info]pure_agnostic:
Jul. 13th, 2006 @ 05:16 pm (no subject)
Hi, I'm new here, I think this is where I introduce myself, I'm Ian Barefoot I'm an INFP
and on the Ansir Kinsmen, Healer, Sentinel.
I'm also interested in improving my communication skills.
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[info]guddlesocks:
Aug. 5th, 2006 @ 01:47 am Intro & Introversion :-) & Beethoven Enneagram?
Hi all,

I just joined. I wrote an essay ("Confessions of an Introvert") about being introverted (I'm INTP - "architect" works for me as I'm a web site developer). I've read a lot of books about both Enneagrams and Meyers-Briggs. My latest favorites are "The Happy Introvert" and "Are You My Type, Am I Yours?" I was thinking about checking out "The Beethoven Enneagram" by the same author, but using music to illustrate it. If you've heard it, please let me know what you thought about it. Thanks!
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me working and singing
[info]uu_mom:
Jan. 20th, 2006 @ 10:06 pm The Haven
Current Mood: bored
Hi all...
I'm doing some reading of "The Relationship Garden" and "The New Manual for Life", and wonder if anyone else is reading and would like to discuss.

They are written by a team of people from The Haven, a therpeutic "school" in British Columbia.

If you are versed in their works, philosophies and principles, I'm learning and am looking to discuss.
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[info]sharifah:
Dec. 14th, 2005 @ 09:32 am Master degree in Intercultural communication, Jyväskylä FINLAND


Sorry for this spam, but thought that some of you might be interested. (feel free to forward if you know someone who might be interested.) You can always improve your understanding of other by studying communication. ;)

INTERCULTURAL COMMUNICATION INVITES APPLICATIONS FOR MASTERS DEGREE
read more )

I am currently studying in this programme, so you can ask me if you want to know more...
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[info]juzka81:
Jan. 2nd, 2006 @ 03:14 pm Introduction
I am a "kinsman, healer, idealist".

I am interested in communication styles which help people be more effective in thier interactions with others.

I am keen right now on data from "the Haven.com" 's work around intent and intimacy, as well as exploring NLP's perspective on the effect of the message...being the message...

I am a social worker by trade but do most of my communication work ON ME... in order to better effectively serve my clients.

that's me.
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[info]sharifah:
Oct. 29th, 2005 @ 09:13 pm (no subject)
Ha! I took the MBTI personality test, and I learned that I am an INTJ.

I also took the ANSIR test.

Thinking: Evokateur
Working: Scintillator
Emoting: Sentinel

Interesting.

But what do these test results have to do with my communication skills?

I am pretty bad communicator, I think. I can't argue. I think this is my greatest weakness. Whenever I have to argue or defend my case before others, my brain freezes, and I can't think or say what I need to say. Is there any miracle cure for this?
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coldweather9:
Jan. 6th, 2005 @ 06:12 pm The Life Cycle -- Accomplishments and Happiness
Introduction
Growth
Maturity
Decline

I love using The Life Cycle -- which is often used in business regarding products -- because it is a universal principle that applies to so many life problems.

Okay, so I apply the universal "Life Cycle" principle to our happiness in relationships and work. Again, I'm being really simplistic and leaving stuff out because I just don't have the time and financial luxury of elaborating on a lot of stuff -- that means the "quality" of how and what I say is diminished. But of course, I'm interested in hearing what others have to say.

I'm *also* going to add a "crisis" section underneath each phase to state the "negative" aspects of the phase moving forward.

The introduction phase is all about the newness of the thing. In relationships, that can be the first meetings and in work, the first few weeks. It's all about discovery and possibilities.
Crisis If one is always looking for the new, then nothing can grow and that deep intimate knowledge can never happen. A lot of superficiality occurs.

The growth phase is all about making things "happen". In relationships, this can mean moving towards getting a place together, vacationing, and blossoming the relationship with "truths" and healing each other's "pasts". In work, this can mean being in charge of a project that has a great effect on the work place.
Crisis If people get stuck in the growth stage they are more likely to never make anything "worthwhile" happen!

The maturity phase is all about standardizing and stabilizing. In relationships, this can mean getting married, having babies, getting a house, etc. etc... In work, this can mean setting standards, creating documentations, policies and procedures.
Crisis If you don't allow innovation and the intro, growth cycle to re-occur -- the road leads to decline and that means having to scramble to re-new the situation. Good planning allows for change.

The decline phase is about staleness. The relationship might undergo a divorce, separation, or an affair. In work situations, a lay-off, wanting to quit, or huge dissatisfaction might occur.
Crisis If this stage comes to the surface, it's hard to dig oneself out of the situation. A lot of people run and cut their losses but it doesn't have to be that way.
...

With this, we all have a "place" we love to hover about the most. For my partner it's the "Introduction and Growth" stage. For me it's the "Maturity and then back to Growth stage". In my case, when it comes to work, this means that I love to put together plans, document processes and procedures, and help stabilize; however, I DO NOT want to be stuck in what I created. Or forced by "upper management" to succumb to my own designs. I want the option of re-visiting, updating, and innovating.

If I don't have that option, I usually quickly have a crisis and usually choose to leave that employer.

...

Why is any of this important?

Because once you understand which area of the cycle you like to be in, you can either a) advise the people you live and work with, b) do things that allow you to stay in the cycle that's most comfortable and that can be done so in a healthy way.

i.e. My partner is most interested in the "growth" stages so he needs a lot of "chaos" and "fun" in whatever he does. I need stability. We balance each other off and since I'm also partial to growth, I really understand what he needs. Instead of forcing him to "stay" in the "maturity" mode, I give him breathers and pick up where he slacks and vice versa.

And I guess my thesis is: Revolve the cycle and avoid decline. And by understanding which state you ar likely to hover in, this can be communicated to the people that need to know (including yourself) so something can be done to allow you to stay in that state for as long as possible while cycling out to maintain balance.

Again, this is all simple talk with a whole bunch of holes in the story. :-) However, I hope someone might glean something of "value" from this.
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[info]xperiweb:
Jan. 6th, 2005 @ 06:09 pm The Life Cycle -- Happiness and Accomplishments
Introduction
Growth
Maturity
Decline

I love using The Life Cycle -- which is often used in business regarding products -- because it is a universal principle that applies to so many life problems.

Okay, so I apply the universal "Life Cycle" principle to our happiness in relationships and work. Again, I'm being really simplistic and leaving stuff out because I just don't have the time and financial luxury of elaborating on a lot of stuff -- that means the "quality" of how and what I say is diminished. But of course, I'm interested in hearing what others have to say.

I'm *also* going to add a "crisis" section underneath each phase to state the "negative" aspects of the phase moving forward.

The introduction phase is all about the newness of the thing. In relationships, that can be the first meetings and in work, the first few weeks. It's all about discovery and possibilities.
Crisis If one is always looking for the new, then nothing can grow and that deep intimate knowledge can never happen. A lot of superficiality occurs.

The growth phase is all about making things "happen". In relationships, this can mean moving towards getting a place together, vacationing, and blossoming the relationship with "truths" and healing each other's "pasts". In work, this can mean being in charge of a project that has a great effect on the work place.
Crisis If people get stuck in the growth stage they are more likely to never make anything "worthwhile" happen!

The maturity phase is all about standardizing and stabilizing. In relationships, this can mean getting married, having babies, getting a house, etc. etc... In work, this can mean setting standards, creating documentations, policies and procedures.
Crisis If you don't allow innovation and the intro, growth cycle to re-occur -- the road leads to decline and that means having to scramble to re-new the situation. Good planning allows for change.

The decline phase is about staleness. The relationship might undergo a divorce, separation, or an affair. In work situations, a lay-off, wanting to quit, or huge dissatisfaction might occur.
Crisis If this stage comes to the surface, it's hard to dig oneself out of the situation. A lot of people run and cut their losses but it doesn't have to be that way.
...

With this, we all have a "place" we love to hover about the most. For my partner it's the "Introduction and Growth" stage. For me it's the "Maturity and then back to Growth stage". In my case, when it comes to work, this means that I love to put together plans, document processes and procedures, and help stabilize; however, I DO NOT want to be stuck in what I created. Or forced by "upper management" to succumb to my own designs. I want the option of re-visiting, updating, and innovating.

If I don't have that option, I usually quickly have a crisis and usually choose to leave that employer.

...

Why is any of this important?

Because once you understand which area of the cycle you like to be in, you can either a) advise the people you live and work with, b) do things that allow you to stay in the cycle that's most comfortable and that can be done so in a healthy way.

i.e. My partner is most interested in the "growth" stages so he needs a lot of "chaos" and "fun" in whatever he does. I need stability. We balance each other off and since I'm also partial to growth, I really understand what he needs. Instead of forcing him to "stay" in the "maturity" mode, I give him breathers and pick up where he slacks and vice versa.

Again, this is all simple talk with a whole bunch of holes in the story. :-) However, I hope someone might glean something of "value" from this.
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dreamy
[info]xperiweb:
Jan. 5th, 2005 @ 06:32 pm Intro post thingie
Hi, I'm Stephen Booth. I'm an Oracle DBA working in the public sector in the UK.

I did the ANSIR test and got:
    Thinking: Idealist
    Working: Sentinel
    Emoting: Sentinel


I do have problems with communication, partially due to having a congenital disability, Dyspraxia. this affects communication in two ways. For one it messes with co-ordination so my handwriting is pretty much unreadable by anyone else so, as I am 34 so come from a generation that predates the widespread use of computers in schools, no one could ever read what I wrote and correct my spelling and grammar. Another effect is that it makes it harder for people who have it to handle non-literal concepts (e.g. shades of meaning, inference, metaphor &c) hence if someone with dyspraxia uses a word they're probably using it in it's precise definition. Both the physical and cognitive effects fade with age.
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children_sold
[info]stephenbooth_uk:
Nov. 17th, 2004 @ 02:10 pm My Ansir answers
Hello, I'm new to this community. I noticed the Ansir link and decided to take the test. My score was:

Empath (Thinking)
Visionary(Working)
Empath (Emoting).

I still need to do a little more research to figure out exactly WHAT that means, but it was an interesting site/test.



My MBTI type: ENFP/INFP
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[info]lunar_envy:
Nov. 7th, 2004 @ 07:21 pm The Three Stages of Self Esteem When Trying to Accomplish Something
This is a quick overview of some simplified thoughts (there are bound to be loopholes all over the place --don't fall in, but if you do try not to get trapped! ;-) ...

Stage One - I'm not sure how this can be done. (passive)
Stage Two - How do I do it? (passive-active)
Stage Three - I can do it! (active)

Notice that there is a progression from a period(.) to a question mark(?) then finally ending with an exclamation mark (!) -- this isn't an accident.

When a person has low self esteem they think of ways "not" to accomplish things. They will mull over how things are "not" possible and "assume" too much about the situation. When a person has okay self esteem, they will ask themselves how to get things done: What can I do to get x,y,z done? And when a person has high self esteem, they say: I can do it! Then they go about their business.

I'm the type of person that listens to/reads/hears every word, its importance to the speaker, and its relevance to me. Words, how they are phrased, and their syntax offer great meaning to the auditor if one is willing to listen beyond the obvious.

Of course, what I say is simplified and in its current form open to much interpretation. However, I just wanted to write this since it's been on my mind for awhile. Discussion is welcome.

--

p.s. Unfortunately due to my hectic schedule I'm often not able to write in this journal very often; however, it's my hope that people will offer their own thoughts without having to be rewarded with comments.
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dreamy
[info]xperiweb:
Aug. 17th, 2004 @ 01:27 pm Indisposed...
I'm not abandoning this group after putting in hard work to set it up... no, I'm just "resting", "thinking" and trying to shake a cold... I'm also really busy with my paid and other non paid work. grrr.

I should be back to post and reply in about a week or two. Just thought I would let everyone know I haven't and will not lose interest in this group.

Hey, if nothing else, we will have a place to rant. lol So feel free to rant and post away -- I still come to look at the journal almost daily.
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dreamy
[info]xperiweb:
Aug. 12th, 2004 @ 12:18 am Posting and Commenting.
Current Mood: hopeful
Please feel free to start posting and commenting. Without people participating, there is no community. ;)

I did another "new community blitz"; however, please feel free to do some blitzing to the communities that you are subscribed to, could have an interest in our community and in which it's allowed to post communities.

And if you are not sure of what to say, just ask... you will get some ideas. *grin*

Cheers!
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dreamy
[info]xperiweb:
Aug. 4th, 2004 @ 01:15 am Communication Styles Links and Info
Links and Info )

In closing, I always find it amusing that many speak with such conviction that there was is "the" best, right and/or only way because I have a hard time believing that! :-)

I tried finding communication style quizzes and good group communications/dynamics links but I couldn't find them; do you know of any?
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dreamy
[info]xperiweb:
Aug. 3rd, 2004 @ 10:37 pm Inside Izzy
Current Mood: busy
I'm Izzy (moderator of this group) and as much as it can be difficult for people to understand me and vice versa, I strive for the holy grail of communication synthesis! :-)

http://www.xperiweb.net/bio.html#insideIzzy

Please introduce yourself and include results of questionnaires (but not the picture graphic quizzes (from places like Quizilla), unless it's from one of the links on the info page).

And maybe one day we can meet and find some common ground or reach enlightenment...
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[info]xperiweb: